Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-07-16/HTML Log

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fabian_a	Welcome everybody. Let's have Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA. It's 20.00 UTC
* spevack is here
Milanito	lets have it
fabian_a	i guess a lot of ambassadors are around
fabian_a	let's start...please state your wiki name please (aka roll call)
rsc	RobertScheck
Milanito	MatthieuRondeau
spevack	Max Spevack
* stickster has changed the topic to: Fedora Ambassadors meeting
spevack	stickster: hi!
petreu_	PeterReuschlein
* stickster has changed the topic to: Fedora Ambassadors EMEA
rsc	Well, wiki name? User:robert
red_alert	SandroMathys
nihed	NihedMbarek
fcrippa	FrancescoCrippa
sdziallas	SebastianDziallas
MrTom	ThomasCanniot
bochecha	MathieuBridon
fabian_a	stickster: thanks
SePhIr0tH	RichardRondu
fabian_a	FabianAffolter
spevack	I love seeing all these people here!
Pikachu_2015	MohamedElmorabity
kital	JoergSimon
* stickster didn't clean up well after himself, sorry
stickster	Uh oh, we left the coffee pot on, too.
mether	RahulSundaram
fugolini	FrancescoUgolini
stickster	Holy moley, I wish this was the Docs meeting :-D
cwickert	cwickert
fabian_a	Just a reminder. We'll still follow our meeting protocol to make this meeting quick and efficient. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol . Thank you
red_alert	I wish there were always so many ppl at our meetings ;)
fabian_a	sorry, wiki name is not correct anymore but good to see that most attendees can remember the old style
fabian_a	Now, please open our meeting page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-07-16 for the agenda
fabian_a	1. News from FAmSCo
fabian_a	i would like to pass the ball to fugolini because I was off the during the last month
fugolini	Thank you
spevack	after fugolini, i will say a few words
zydoon	Hi
fabian_a	spevack: thank you
fugolini	i don't want to discuss about budget
Gaaruto	BourdouleixSylvain
fugolini	personally i want only to underline the importance to have feedback from the community to better adress our work
fugolini	we discussed about the local situations, and i think it would be a great thing to know what you need and what you want to see from FAmSCo
fugolini	just this. eof
spevack	!
fabian_a	spevack, please
spevack	I'd like to add a little bit to what fugolini is saying. First of all,
spevack	I think everyone in EMEA community should be very proud of themselves
spevack	because you are setting an example for how to run an Ambassadors program in a large continent with many different languages
spevack	and it is wonderful work.
spevack	From the FAMSCo perspective, I want to mention two things:
spevack	1) We are in the process of making sure that we have a list of all the events that will take place from September - November
spevack	so please make sure, if you have an event, or you know about an event, that you add it to the page
spevack	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
spevack	2) FAMSCo will be making another contribution to Fedora EMEA e.V. in August -- not sure what the exact amount will be yet, but probably 1500 - 2000 EUR
spevack	fabian_a: should I talk more about Fedora EMEA e.v. now, or later?
jdieter	JonathanDieter
fabian_a	we can talk later about Fedora EMEA
spevack	ok, then as far as FAMSCo, that is all for me. EOF. Any questions or comments?
fabian_a	ok, next
fabian_a	kital: would you like to tell us something your work for the Ambassadors Membership Verification Service?
spevack	kital: your work on that is *excellent* :)
spevack	thank you so much
fugolini	+1
kital	thanks for the flowers
kital	wait i had i had 227 Konversations since Linuxtag
kital	we had 148 Requests for membership
kital	eof
fabian_a	kital: thanks
bochecha	?
fabian_a	bochecha,
bochecha	sorry if I am a bit late on this, but what exactly is this membership verification service ?
bochecha	eof
kital	!
fabian_a	kital,
kital	bochecha: this is simple the process to approve and guide new Ambassadors into the Probation Period and Membership
kital	eof
fabian_a	anything else about membership verification? questions?
fabian_a	no?
* fcrippa_ is back... (sorry, umts connection....)
fabian_a	next point...events
spevack	bochecha: kital has done excellent work in helping to automate this process, and build infrastructure around it
spevack	EOF'
fabian_a	LUG Radio Live?
spevack	sure
spevack	This is a comparatively small event.
spevack	I am giving one of the "keynote" speeches.
spevack	it will be similar to the speech I gave at LinuxTag during our FUDCon
spevack	because that message -- of how we build our community and prioritize the decisions that we make -- is one we are trying to spread
spevack	I was hoping that JonathanRoberts would be able to attend the event, but it didn't work out.
spevack	So there will only be a few other Red Hat people there, who are in the UK.
spevack	but I will be representing Fedora
spevack	and hoping to recruit a few new people to the project
spevack	mostly, we are going to that event because the organizers asked me to speak.
spevack	EOF
fabian_a	spevack: thanks for the details
fabian_a	FrOSCon 2008?
spevack	I will write an event report for Fedora Planet and ambassadors list
* spevack looks at red_alert :)
RodrigoPadula	hi guys,
RodrigoPadula	famsco meeting ?
spevack	hi RodrigoPadula: Fedora EMEA meeting, actually
fabian_a	RodrigoPadula: yes
fabian_a	RodrigoPadula: no, ambassadors meeting
red_alert	me? uhm...I think there's nothing new on FrOSCon that's on on the mailing list. I hope the other organizers are doing something too ;)
spevack	RodrigoPadula: ping fugolini in #fedora-mktg and he'll tell you about FAMSCo
spevack	red_alert: ok, so let's talk about what needs to be done.
spevack	what needs to be done?
red_alert	I won't be able to attend the event as I announced so I was hoping for the other owners (spevack and romal) to take over
spevack	red_alert: I missed your announcement, I'm sorry.
spevack	so, what needs to be done? We know that we have a speaking slot.
red_alert	you wrote the list what's needed yourself ;) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FrOSCon/FrOSCon2008#Needed
spevack	i believe that we need to figure out what to do about some swag for the event.
spevack	red_alert: obviously I am a bit confused tonight :)
spevack	ok, so mostly the needs are swag
red_alert	I think you definately need an accomodation before anything else ;)
spevack	red_alert: yes, that is true :)
spevack	I wanted to ask in this meeting, either Gerold or kital, if we can make some shirts from a company here that we have used before? tshirts, maybe?
spevack	I would like to pay for them from Fedora EMEA budget, and use them for various events
spevack	but I do not have the contacts with the companies. and maybe other folks do?
kital	!
spevack	kital: go ahead!
spevack	please! :)
kital	i will make it!
kital	eof
spevack	kital: ok, I will send you email and we can figure out design, quantity, sizes, etc.?
kital	yes!
spevack	ok. Great.
spevack	Then I think we are mostly ok for FrOSCon, at least for this meeting.
spevack	EOF
red_alert	eof
spevack	kital: i will follow up with you tomorrow, ok?
fabian_a	thank you guys
spevack	fabian_a: you wanted to talk about Open Expo?
fabian_a	in September after FUDCon the autumn edition of the annual Swiss open source event named OpenExpo will take place at Winterthur
fabian_a	it's a small event with around 1000 visitors
fabian_a	for detail check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenExpo/OpenExpo2008_Zurich
fabian_a	if you want to join us, please drop me a line...
GeroldKa	!
fabian_a	GeroldKa,
GeroldKa	me wants to drop the line; I have 6 OLPC for you for OpenExpo
GeroldKa	and also from now until then with a small interrupt of two weeks
GeroldKa	eof
spevack	GeroldKa: where did you get 6 OLPCs??? that is incredible
spevack	GeroldKa: hello, by the way :)
GeroldKa	and also sorry for late I worked until now
GeroldKa	hi there max
red_alert	just as a sidenote: we don't have space at openexpo for 6 olpc
fabian_a	with 6 olpcs we will ahve a problem with the space at ypur so called booth
spevack	maybe we don't bring all 6 to Open Expo :)
GeroldKa	it`s up to you, but I have them borrowed (also for OpenExpo)
GeroldKa	if you don't want them ...
fabian_a	but it's good to know that this machines are only 100 km away
GeroldKa	OK, no doubt
GeroldKa	I found some other guys who want to have them at that time
spevack	fabian_a: FAMSCo will allocate official budget for OpenExpo in August, when FAMSCo makes all the budget planning for Q3 (September - November). But you know this since you are in FAMSCo ;)
spevack	but it is an important event
spevack	jan wildeboer from red hat will be there
spevack	and several other Red Hat people
spevack	there will be meetings about Open Standards, I think, that Jan will be in
spevack	one of the things that I am going to try to do for all of us soon is get a list from Andrea Schneider of all the events that Red Hat Marketing is going to in EMEA, so that we can always know when there is overlap with Fedora Events.
spevack	EOF
fabian_a	in September there will be a lot of events...FUDCon, OpenExpo, PCL, GITEX, and on and on
fabian_a	some more about events?
MrTom	!
spevack	! (but MrTom first)
fabian_a	MrTom,
MrTom	about the events, what is also important is to keep up to date the pages of the wiki. And I know for sure that it is a very difficult exercice.
MrTom	however it helps a lot to know who / what /when / why when FAMSCO is allocating budgets to your events, so please keep this in mind. Up to date pages is not useless at all
MrTom	eof
fabian_a	spevack,
spevack	I want to quickly mention FUDCon
spevack	I will be updating the page in great detail tomorrow or Friday, before I leave for UK and LUG Radio Live
spevack	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrno2008
spevack	But we know that it will be in Czech Republic (Brno), September 5-7. Saturday Sep. 6 will be the most "important" day.
spevack	Also I will be able to give hotel information soon. It seems very inexpensive, especially if people share a room.
spevack	More information next week... but I hope that many people can go. We will do one FUDCon in EMEA every year.
spevack	This year in Czech Republic.
spevack	Next year, somewhere else! :)
spevack	EOF
spevack	also, there will be special FUDCon tshirts. EOF
GeroldKa	I prefer Switzerland next year
red_alert	+1 ;)
GeroldKa	I also offered you University of Basel as Event Place
fabian_a	+1
kital	+1
zydoon	+1
stickster	Any time
* stickster hits wrong channel, sorry
fugolini	!
fabian_a	fugolini,
spevack	And maybe next year we will do that. The Czech Repbulic was chosen specially this year because it is very important that we involve the Red Hat engineers in that country more deeply in Fedora community. When we plan 2009 FUDCon EMEA, we will discuss all options for location.
spevack	GeroldKa: any place we can get a relationship with a university is very interesting to me.
spevack	we will be at a university in Brno also
spevack	EOF
red_alert	I'd also know a company in Switzerland who'd help us with some money if we'd do it here. eof
fugolini	I think it would be better to chose a city near a cheap airport, I think we have to make a list of chear airline
fugolini	*cheap airlines by country and the countries they cover
fcrippa	fugolini: +1
spevack	fugolini: great idea
fugolini	e.g. For Basel a flight in october cost 400€
GeroldKa	and to Brno?
fugolini	this means that if i book the flight in september it will cost 500€
GeroldKa	or Zurich?
GeroldKa	or Stuttgart?
fugolini	GeroldKa: Brno, direct flight 400, i think i'll take a cheap flight
kital	Mallorca
fugolini	from Wien or Prague
spevack	!
fugolini	eof
fabian_a	spevack,
spevack	I also will travel to Paris on August 2 to meet with MrTom and as many people from the Fedora-fr community as we can gather.
MrTom	(about 15)
spevack	I am looking forward to that, because it will allow us to plan and discuss things in that country in great detail
GeroldKa	Aaarghs
GeroldKa	its 500 kms
spevack	EOF from me
fabian_a	anything else about the upcoming FUDCon?
Milanito	we are very glad you are coming spevack
spevack	fabian_a: nothing else right now. I will email ambassadors-list when i have more updates
spevack	Milanito: me too!
fabian_a	spevack: thanks
red_alert	spevack: don't forget to mention the weekly meetings about fudcon ;)
spevack	right. we have a weekly planning meeting on Tuesdays at 13:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting
spevack	for FUDCon Brno
spevack	red_alert: thank you :)
spevack	EOF
fabian_a	now...FAD EMEA
fabian_a	spevack or red_alert please
spevack	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2008
red_alert	well, we wanted to get an idea of what people think
spevack	red_alert: you go ahead :)
red_alert	how they liked/disliked about the last FAD EMEA near Basel at the German/Swiss border
red_alert	place, duration, topics, lodging, fun/fringe events, food, everything
red_alert	in order to make it even better this year, we need some feedback
red_alert	so please go to the event site that max posted above and tell us
red_alert	we'd also like to hear ideas about how to spend the budget...on travel, lodging, fun activities, ...
wonderer1	hy
red_alert	if you have an idea in what city we could do it and maybe have good reasons to prefer that city - tell us
red_alert	what did I forget, spevack?
spevack	there are several questions and items to comment on in the wiki page. feel free to leave your comments.
spevack	red_alert: you got it all
MrTom	!
red_alert	questions / comments right now?
GeroldKa	I thought you want to "rename my Baby" Max
GeroldKa	as: Fedora Activity Day
spevack	GeroldKa: that is a separate idea, but it also uses the FAD acronym. I haven't had time to pursue that idea yeat
spevack	s/yeat/yet
spevack	MrTom:
spevack	you had a comment?
* wonderer1 raises hand ;-)
MrTom	about spending the budget, it always remains difficult to know what to spend it on. There used to have a discussion about financing lodging and not travel, so as every people are equal in the eyes of famso, however we are not equal in term of distance / travel and i think that we shloud finance traveling
wonderer1	may I something ask. maybe I d
spevack	wonderer1: go ahead
MrTom	so as to fight againt inequalities among us. Financing travel for the farthest pple, and lodging for the closest.
MrTom	eof
spevack	wonderer1: you go, then I will respond to MrTom with my thoughts, and then see what other people think
wonderer1	maybe i did'nt get a / the remindermail to this meeting. Or isnt there such a mail lets say hald a day before..?!
spevack	wonderer1: that was a typo, a second mail was sent out fixing it.
spevack	wonderer1: sorry for any confusion!
wonderer1	spevack: Ok. because I did'nt get yet any Announcement Mail today. I think several days ago some goes over the list. Baut "today" (lets say "last reminder" ... I will check this next time ;-) Thanks.
spevack	MrTom: I tend to agree with you. Speaking in general, when I manage the Fedora budget on the whole, I try to make sure that budget goes to the people who need it the most. I also try to make sure it is generally balanced, but if one person gets more support than another, it doesn't bother me as long as everyone is getting as much help as we can give them, and as they need.
spevack	But I do not want to dictate policy for all of you.
spevack	I think that it is necessary for us to first have a full balance of the money that Fedora EMEA e.V. has.
MrTom	!
spevack	we can add to that the money we know will come to Fedora EMEA e.V. from Red Hat and Fedora Project
spevack	and then we can decide as a group how to spend it.
spevack	one of the things I will also do in the next week or two is give a full Treasurer report for Fedora EMEA e.V. I have all the documents, I just need to go through them.
spevack	EOF
fabian_a	MrTom,
MrTom	or maybe decide of an amount of money to give to people to help them to come, and let them decide how to give it away
MrTom	eof
wonderer1	is maybe there a statistic how much % on small / middle / big events was spend on travel, accomondation, food & drinks, merchandising, Fedore CD/DVD, etc.?
fabian_a	wonderer1: can you please follow the meeting protocol http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol tnhanks
GeroldKa	!
fabian_a	GeroldKa,
GeroldKa	MrTom, I also thought about that idea
GeroldKa	but I personally follow the item
GeroldKa	the same amount for every attendee
GeroldKa	or at best pay the same amount for everyone for the room
GeroldKa	that fair to everybody and als transparent to everybody
GeroldKa	eof
spevack	!
kital	+1
fabian_a	spevack,
spevack	wonderer1: we have some metrics. For LinuxTag, we have very detailed breakdowns of hotel cost, travel cost, food cost, etc.
spevack	for smaller events, we tend to give some budget to the event organizer and let that person decide how best to spend it
spevack	LinuxTag and FUDcon are special cases
wonderer1	!
spevack	GeroldKa: I think transparency is the key. As long as we are transparent about where the money goes, people can make comments. I believe that with the Fedora Budget the last 2.5 years (or however long I have been doing Fedora), we are the most transparent of any Linux Distribution in the world, and we will keep doing this. Also with Fedora EMEA e.V. -- I am just a little bit behind :)
spevack	EOF
fabian_a	wonderer1,
wonderer1	spaveck, yes thats what I mean. Can there be made some matrix as "if planing try 10% for boothrent, 25-30% travel, etc." so someone is new to that (espacially Ambassadors) can plan that. Then ther would maybe not so often be a discussion or confusion.
wonderer1	I do planning on Europewide Events for several years
wonderer1	but
wonderer1	that is often planning on a small team. At bigger events that could help i Think. Also what MrTom says "on what i can spend wich amounT" etc. can better be planned
wonderer1	and
spevack	wonderer1: those are all good points. I can go back to the linuxTag budget and see what the percentages were.
wonderer1	the Budget Plan someone gives to Fedora "I need xyz for this Event" could better verified and compared.
spevack	that will give some idea
wonderer1	eof
spevack	EOF from me too. i will get back to you
* fcrippa 's laptop battery is near to be dead... another 5-10 minutes...
spevack	fabian_a: what else?
GeroldKa	next year, we have to pay for booth (at Linuxtag btw.)
* kital has to go
fabian_a	i guess we are done for today...
fabian_a	we skip the "open floor"
spevack	GeroldKa: We will factor that into budget
spevack	GeroldKa: for next year's linuxtag
spevack	GeroldKa: and you and i will plan in advance with andrea and marion :)_
spevack	fabian_a: I just want to say thank you for running the meeting, and thank you to everyone for coming!
fabian_a	anything else? Any more questions or issues before we close this meeting?
* wonderer1 claps hands
* Sonar_Guy has quit ("Leaving")
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fcrippa	can we consider 5-6-7 of September "official" and "definitive" date for FUDCon?
spevack	fcrippa: yes
fcrippa	(just in time :-)
spevack	fcrippa: we have space booked at university in Brno for those dates
fabian_a	acc. to spevack the date is fixed
fcrippa	spevack: great!
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red_alert	reminder for everyone: don't forget to post your ideas about the upcoming FAD on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2008 - we need your opinions!
fcrippa	fugolini: we can organize our trip
spevack	fabian_a: thank you!
fabian_a	Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA 2008-07-16 has been adjourned. Next meeting in August 2008.

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