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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>/home/fab/Documents/20080418_famsco_meeting_log.txt</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.6 - 2007-10-30" /> </head> <body> <table class="irclog"> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">FAMSCo meeting starting shortly....</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini, iWolf, ping</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">pong</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">pong</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">here</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes, i'm going to hold a really short meeting due to an event tomorrow</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">see mktg channel for more infos :P</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">We can start with the roll call:</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">FrancescoUgolini</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">JeffreyTadlock</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">FabianAffolter</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Maxspevack</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">PaulWFrields (auditing)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">heh, no credit for me</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">:)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">it's a pleasure for us</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">First of all take a look at the agenda:</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2008-April/msg00058.html">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2008-April/msg00058.html</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: I don't want to hijack your agenda, but it seems like the most important thing to discuss is funding requests for F9 release parties, right?</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* spevack sits back and lets fugolini drive the meeting :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">it's the first issue in the agenda</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">No problem, tell me whenever you want what you want</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so 1. Release Events status</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">spevack: have you something to say about this?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">As all of you read</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, I think we just need to go down the list of requests, and pick some budget numbers, and then let the people know</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and get them they money</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">EOF</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we just need to go down the list of requests > here?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok, just give me the time to open my email client</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">We should be able to go off the Event Page.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in fact, we should go off th eevent page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">because the message we're trying to hammer home to ambassadors is</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">"if it's not on the events page, it doesn't exist"</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">So first up is the Central Ohio Release party.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Who's running that thing? :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I don't know the amount of money, last time we spent $80 on media that we paid for out of our own pocket.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Anything in the $50 to $100 range would be helpful.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Is it fair to say something like $100 or $150 for each event?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">spevack: I'm all for that.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">give everyone the same amount, and just let them do what they think is best with it?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">how many release events are there so far? /me only sees 3</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* spevack pulls up the budget</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">yeah, only three for N.A. right now, gregdek said he was going to drum up some release party support in S.A. too.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">N.A.?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">And I am hoping to announce a release party contest to draw in a few more entries - hopefully it will draw in some more.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">North America?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">fugolini: yep, sorry.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'm looking at our budget for the remainder of this quarter</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">betweeen now and the end of May</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we've got about $7,000 USD left</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and aside from the release parties, there is not much left to fund</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Of course, the one BIG EXPENSE</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is the creation of CDs and DVDs</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'd like to have at least $5,000 for that... because we end up sending those discs to lots of places.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Of course, we will also make media out of the LinuxTag budget (which is separate) for Europe</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and out of next quarter's FUDCon budget (which is separate) for North America.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so anyway, I think we should start by thinking -- how well can we support the various release events for about $1,000</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and if we need to spend more, we will</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">EOF</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">What do you all think?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">$1000 will get us 10 release parties, which we don't have yet.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">my goal is to give you guys context and options, but let you decide how to spend the money :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">So that is probably a good starting point.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">tomorrow i will discuss about this issue with the other italian ambassadors</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">If we get more than 10, then we have a small buffer for a little additional money to help them.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">For late comers we could always reduce funding to $50 and reward the early birds with the $100 amount.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">So there's the guy from Los Angeles (grady?) and iWolf who are probably just waiting to be told "here is your budget of $X"</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">two days ago i joined the emea meeting to invite people organizeing such events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and then they can get started</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">i think that there will not be 0 events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">sorry, 10</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">because in emea there are no parties planned so far</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">As i wrote in the list, each famsco member has to invite ambs</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">e.g. in Italy we will plan those event tomorrow</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I think we need local coordination because it's really difficult to organize something from the high</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Now you were talking about America</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: +1 -- we just want to give people the "ok" to spend a certain amount o fmoney, and know that they will be paid back :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I think the situation now is not well defined, and if we consider we have 2 weeks more, we can work to sponsor the release events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">just a question: Is possible to use fedora announce as a "katapult" for the Release events organization?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">i hope we can get some more going, but right now was have three on the event page which letsus have 7 more at full funding of $100 per event.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: absolutely</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so, we have room to grow the number of events.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Ok, what now?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Can we move on with contest?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">wait..</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Do we want to vote on going with $100 per release event?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we haven't clearly decided this issue.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I want us to be able to write an email to Fedora Ambassadors list tonight that says:</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">FAMSco is going to sponsor up to 10 Fedora 9 release parties worldwide.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">We already have X on the FedoraEvents page.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">We'd like more, and you should plan to have a budget of $100 - $150 USD for each.</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* spevack thinks we should vote on this</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and then, if it passes, decide an Owner who will be accountable for sending that email and helping to coordinate</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">+1 too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1 (though I am unofficial) :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Before we could continue,</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">the CFO's vote is never unofficial :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: what were you going to say?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I wajust the time to thinl</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">*write</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">For the next meeting i will prefer to have a discussion of the issue in the list before the meeting</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: that is my fault... I have had a very busy week and didn't have time to write all my thoughts in advance.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">because i can't follow clearly, at this time (22.00), all the discussion and i'm out of date</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">*it seems i'm out of date</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if you consider i was awake since 5.30</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: no need to apologize...</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I hope you'll understand me</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">spevack: i wasn't talking about you</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: so are we all agreed on the general plan for the Release Events and budget? If so, we can move on.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i have to apologize with you</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">because i can't lead as i want</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes we can move on</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: you're doing great!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">fugolini: agreed, you are doing just fine!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">If I may say one thing?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini's job will be easier, once we all get used to having you guys, and not me, making more and more decisions about how to spend the budget.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">it's a learning process for us all</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but we are going in the right direction</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I will continue trying to do a better job at giving FAMSco a clear picture of our budget, and letting *you* tell *me* how to spend it, and not the other way around :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">EOF</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Ok</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">We can move on</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">1. Fedora Event budget --> Max will send an email in the Ambs list</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">see above</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Fedora Events contest</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">iWolf:</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">who's going to communicate our decisions about Release Events?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I can send it.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I need to announce the contest as well.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">perfect!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">thanks, iWolf</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">As for the contest, i posted to the famsco list some ideas.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">did anyone have comments on those? Or should I just run with some of those ideas?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2008-April/msg00062.html">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2008-April/msg00062.html</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">as i wrote in the list, it's ok for me</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">if there aren't any questions a vote for the contest as outlined int eh email?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yep</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1 from me. :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">sorry... i got dropped off the internet for a bit</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* spevack reads backward</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">oh, i didn't miss much! ;)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">So, have you questions for such issue?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I think we have to continue the discussion of release events in the list</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i invite each FAmSCo member to invite ambassadors to organize such events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">eof</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so hold off on announcing the contest then?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Okay, I would like to announce early next week at the latest to give ambassadors time to plan in the event a laptop bag motivates them.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">in fact!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Thank you iWolf for what you have done keeping the initiative up and working</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i think we can briefly discuss about the other issues</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">any objections?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">3</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">2</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">2. Wiki CleanUp</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I sent the annoncement last wednesday</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fugolini: what % done would you say we are with the wiki cleanup?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">mhm...</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* fugolini is trying to open the wiki</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">maybe 20/30%</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if we consider the deleted page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if we remove it, the percentage drop down</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i think FAmSCo has to drive directly the process</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I hope after this week we could arrive at 50/60%</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">i can try to push the % up during the weekend</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">my hunch: once we know the exact date of the wiki migration to mediawiki, the number will jump up as that date gets close</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">because people will realize "i don't want to clean that page up after migration, better to do it now or delete it"</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">:)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">the most difficult part is to realize the aim behind the page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and you have to keep trace of what you have done, to provice the necessary informations for the future updates</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">*provide</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Finally, we have to start with the hard job</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">trying to invite ambassadors to help us, i know there are some people who are wiki addicted</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">this is the reason i want to open to everyone the process</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Any questions?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">fugolini: no questions from me.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">3</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">2</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">3. Local Group Status (APAC, EMEA, North/Central/South America)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">This is a new section, i think we have to discuss about local situations</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">We started talking about release events. Actually only N.A. has some events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">N.A. needs to get their meetings going again.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">APAC, EMEA, S.A. haven't defined events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">*release events</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">We've had poor attendance, so either we need to find a new time or figure out why we can't get 5 or so people to attend.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">On the events page, we divide the world up into 4 sections</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I think it's important to know what the local community think, because that's the only way to caught their attentions</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think we should also have 4 Ambassadors meetings, monthly, one for each section.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">like we are trying to do, but with a plan to expand</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">+1^10</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">speaking of which, APAC has a meeting tomorrow morning (morning EDT time).</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Because inside of Red Hat, we have people who are "in charge" of each area on the CommunityArchitecture team.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Max -- EMEA and the overall budget</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I am planning on attending as they asked for a FAmSCo presence. My kids should be up by then.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Jack -- NA</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Greg -- SA</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Harish -- APAC</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and there are lots of other people eager to participate too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fabian_a is doing a great job with the EMEA meetings</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">GeroldKa</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">GeroldKa</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">:-)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">the European meeting is working well. I query that a worldwide meeting will work but we should try again</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">there are too many timezones :-)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i don't understand why the NA and SA meetings are combined</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">language?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i don't know</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">spevack: I think we need to break them apart again - the time zone thing is rough.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">they are totally separate in terms of logistics and language barriers</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">spevack: agreed.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">fabian_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">the current meeting leader is in South America, once we get the release party thing settled down I can start up a thread on splitting off to a North American meeting.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if you agree i'll write a mail to Ambs m-l to invite each area</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: +1, and we need to get Jack in on that just to make sure that there's someone @redhat.com to help make sure that the locals on the ground all over NA get the things that they need from RH.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">to have it's own meeting,</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">spevack: sounds good, i can touch base with him - i can even start that ground work now.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">mhm</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Our first goal is to keep the local communities up and invite them to share their thought and organize themselves</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Do you agree with the email idea?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">fugolini: i think we have the regional meetings underway now.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">APAC has theirs tomorrow.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">EMEA is rockin'</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">and we can split the South America meeting and North America meeting.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">only the North America meeting needs a leader, which I can do if needed.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sorry i don't explain my thoughts well</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">what now?</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* iWolf is getting close to needing to go</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* fugolini too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think we're pretty well set until next week</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i think we could adjourn the meeting</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rodrigo will be back</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we can ask him about FISL</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and compare that to GregDek's experiences this week</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">since he is there</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">you should all read his blog -- <a href="http://gregdek.livejournal.com">http://gregdek.livejournal.com</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well if we are adjourning, I want to wish you all a good weekend!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">you too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">spevack: his blog has been great!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">+</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">== meeting adjourned ==</td></tr> </table> <div class="generatedby"> <p>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius Gedminas</a> - 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