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Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-11-11
Attendees
- John5342
- poelcat
- quantumbrnz
- jlaska
- mcepl
- jds2001
Rawhide Rebase
- worked out wording of announcement on gobby
- jds2001 sent to fedora-devel-announce
- poelcat to file ticket with engineering operations
New Rawhide Bugs
- NEW rawhide bugs http://tinyurl.com/6llac8
- would like to get this list down to zero by November 25th
- stop-gap measure is to scan list for possible release blockers
- add to appropriate blocker list
- feel free to join #fedora-blocker
NEW/ASSIGNED State Transition
- process remains unchanged
- it is suggested that maintainers who want a special state use ON_DEV
- big thanks to Till for updating the process work flow!
- BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
Preparing For Release Day
- poelcat is working on these tasks this week BugZappers/HouseKeeping/TwoWeeksBeforeRelease
- please review and make adjustments as necessary: BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10
IRC Transcript
| poelcat | who is around? | 07:02 |
|---|---|---|
| * John5342 is here | 07:02 | |
| * jlaska lurking | 07:02 | |
| quantumburnz | haha, i made sure i didn't miss it this time and i started to worry i missed it again or something ;) | 07:02 |
| poelcat | hi! | 07:03 |
| poelcat | jds2001 ? | 07:03 |
| poelcat | our main topic for today is BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 | 07:04 |
| poelcat | is there anything else people would like to cover? | 07:05 |
| * jds2001 here | 07:05 | |
| poelcat | jds2001: hi | 07:05 |
| jds2001 | ok, i started something on gobby and got distracted. | 07:06 |
| poelcat | :) | 07:06 |
| poelcat | we really need to send that today I think | 07:06 |
| jds2001 | comphappy wnated us to discuss the NEW/ASSIGNED status thing a bit too. | 07:06 |
| jds2001 | he can't be here today. | 07:06 |
| John5342 | poelcat: just noticed criteria for f8 stuff includes not closed but rawhide > f10 doesnt mention it. | 07:07 |
| poelcat | John5342: quantumburnz jlaska have you connected to gobby before? | 07:07 |
| quantumburnz | nope | 07:07 |
| jlaska | poelcat: I have | 07:07 |
| John5342 | poelcat: never even heard of it | 07:08 |
| jlaska | err, not any fedora hosted gobby's | 07:08 |
| poelcat | John5342: quantumburnz have you logged into fedorapeople w/ ssh before? (you will need to go get the password) | 07:09 |
| jds2001 | jlaska: you have to ssh to fedorapeople.org and cat ~lmacken/gobby | 07:09 |
| poelcat | we could review the announcement right now | 07:09 |
| quantumburnz | john5342: i think you're right. that probably should include status != closed | 07:09 |
| quantumburnz | poelcat: no, I haven't logged into fedorapeople before | 07:10 |
| jlaska | jds2001: what's the gobby server? | 07:10 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: have you uploaded an ssh key to your fedora account? | 07:10 |
| quantumburnz | yes | 07:10 |
| jds2001 | jlaska: gobby.fp.o | 07:11 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: 'ssh username@fedorapeople.org' | 07:11 |
| jlaska | jds2001: thanks | 07:11 |
| quantumburnz | ok, i'm in | 07:12 |
| poelcat | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo | 07:14 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: retrieve the passwd and then connect to gobby | 07:14 |
| mcepl | here | 07:14 |
| poelcat | mcepl: hi | 07:14 |
| jds2001 | thing is called F10-Rebase-Email | 07:14 |
| jds2001 | mcepl: hop on gobby to go through our cleanup mail? | 07:15 |
| mcepl | sorry, I am late -- could you feed with the context, please? | 07:15 |
| * John5342 will join in once he remembers key password | 07:15 | |
| jds2001 | to f-d-a :) | 07:15 |
| mcepl | gobby? | 07:15 |
| poelcat | jds2001: what is the name of the doc? | 07:15 |
| jds2001 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo | 07:15 |
| jds2001 | F10-Rebase-Email | 07:15 |
| * quantumburnz is installing gobby | 07:17 | |
| poelcat | mcepl: we're working on the wording for the rawhide rebase email | 07:17 |
| mcepl | OK, sorry, it will take a second before I install gobby | 07:17 |
| jds2001 | i dunno if by using line breaks im helping or hurting | 07:18 |
| jds2001 | i guess it depends on who sends it. :) | 07:18 |
| quantumburnz | AmbassadorsWorldDominationPlan, lol. do I need to subscribe to anything? | 07:20 |
| jds2001 | F10-Rebase-Email | 07:20 |
| quantumburnz | got it, thanks | 07:20 |
| jds2001 | you can review our plan for world domination if you like. | 07:20 |
| jds2001 | I think we used that at FADNA. | 07:20 |
| mcepl | bloody rpm broke again | 07:21 |
| quantumburnz | how did you break rpm? | 07:21 |
| mcepl | there is a bug for it in BZ, don't worry, I have to from time to time rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* ; rpm --rebuilddb | 07:22 |
| quantumburnz | ahh, ya, i had to do that yesterday... | 07:23 |
| mcepl | here | 07:25 |
| poelcat | Should we send an email notification at the time Fedora 8 bugs are autoclosed? | 07:27 |
| mcepl | to whom? | 07:29 |
| poelcat | mcepl: from bugzilla to the owner, CCs, etc | 07:31 |
| mcepl | so basically new comment to the bug? | 07:32 |
| poelcat | mcepl: yes it will be a new comment to the bug... we can decide whether email notification goes out or not | 07:33 |
| mcepl | cool | 07:33 |
| jds2001 | folks were really concerned with spam last time. | 07:34 |
| poelcat | are we happy with what we've got? | 07:41 |
| poelcat | jds2001: are you still willing to be the target, I mean, sender? ;-) | 07:42 |
| jds2001 | poelcat: sure :) | 07:42 |
| jds2001 | are we done? | 07:42 |
| quantumburnz | looks pretty good to me. | 07:43 |
| mcepl | I made one more change, what do you think? | 07:44 |
| poelcat | mcepl: great | 07:44 |
| poelcat | we should cover a couple more things before we run out of time | 07:44 |
| mcepl | otherwise, it is +1 from me | 07:45 |
| jds2001 | oops what was the change | 07:45 |
| jds2001 | i had already copied it out | 07:45 |
| poelcat | next topic... NEW rawhide bugs http://tinyurl.com/6llac8 | 07:45 |
| poelcat | ideally we would get this list down to zero by november 25th | 07:45 |
| poelcat | i'm losing confidence that will happen | 07:46 |
| poelcat | you can still help however but scanning the list for possible release blockers | 07:46 |
| poelcat | and continuing to triage | 07:46 |
| poelcat | s/but/by | 07:46 |
| poelcat | also feel free to join #fedora-blocker | 07:46 |
| poelcat | where a group of key maintainers is assembled to discuss blocker bugs | 07:47 |
| quantumburnz | that list has a bad habbit of growing or continuing to stay around the same number of bugs... :( | 07:47 |
| poelcat | it is a good place to ask if you aren't sure | 07:47 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: yeah... it isn't ALL bad, imagine what would happen if we did nothing | 07:47 |
| poelcat | but still I wish we could take bigger chunks out of it :) | 07:47 |
| quantumburnz | hehe, very very true | 07:48 |
| poelcat | jds2001: what did comphappy want to discuss re: NEW/ASSIGNED | 07:49 |
| mcepl | I am fighting hard to keep all Xorg/Gecko bugs out of NEW, but it is pretty tough -- xorg-x11-drv-{i810,ati,nv} doesn't make it easy. | 07:49 |
| jds2001 | poelcat: just that there was pushback | 07:51 |
| jds2001 | and that we said we'd discuss it again. | 07:51 |
| quantumburnz | what's a pushback? | 07:52 |
| jds2001 | but it seems to be all Steve, and while he's a great guy, we have a workflow that would work for him (ON_DEV) | 07:52 |
| mcepl | yeah, I haven't checked whether he react to my reply | 07:53 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: slang... someone is "pushing back" or disagreeing or not wanting to go along with what the current way is | 07:53 |
| mcepl | quantumburnz: fedora-test thread "who moved my bugs?" | 07:53 |
| jds2001 | actually think it was f-devel | 07:53 |
| * poelcat keeps thinking "who moved my chesse" | 07:53 | |
| poelcat | cheese | 07:53 |
| jds2001 | maybe it got cross-posted or something :) | 07:53 |
| quantumburnz | ahh, ya, i haven't been doing the best at keeping up with that email list... | 07:53 |
| poelcat | it was fedora-devel only I think | 07:54 |
| mcepl | ok, whatever | 07:55 |
| poelcat | anything else to add to the NEW/ASSIGNED discussion besides suggesting people use ON_DEV ? | 07:55 |
| mcepl | hmm, interesting, he doesn't seem to reply | 07:56 |
| quantumburnz | wow, i feel so behind the power curve, sorry guys. what's the purpose of ON_DEV and should we be using it? | 07:56 |
| mcepl | I don't think so -- only a bad libel, that most noise is made by people who have 22 bugs total in bugzilla. :( | 07:56 |
| poelcat | BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow | 07:56 |
| poelcat | sweet! someone updated the diagram :) | 07:57 |
| quantumburnz | ya, certainly doesn't look the same... | 07:57 |
| mcepl | quantumburnz: no, it used to be used for something, but now it is kept there for legacy reasons -- so some people find it useful to distinguish between bugs which are ASSIGNED to them and bugs which they actually work on | 07:57 |
| quantumburnz | thanks | 07:58 |
| poelcat | last topic... i'm working on these tasks this week BugZappers/HouseKeeping/TwoWeeksBeforeRelease | 07:58 |
| poelcat | most we have already covered :) | 07:58 |
| poelcat | and last last topic... if you think we need wording changes for the proposed bugzilla comments, edit away... | 07:59 |
| poelcat | BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 | 07:59 |
| poelcat | it is a wiki :) | 07:59 |
| poelcat | jds2001: would it be worthwhile to point FESCo at this ^^ page as an FYI | 08:00 |
| poelcat | at their meeting this week | 08:00 |
| poelcat | just remind them about what is going on in the neighborhood | 08:00 |
| mcepl | yeah | 08:02 |
| poelcat | okay thanks everyone! | 08:03 |
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