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=== Upgrade from Fedora 10 to Rawhide (Fedora 11) ===
=== Upgrade from Fedora 10 to Rawhide (Fedora 11) ===
Following a report from [[UweKiewel|Uwe Kiewel]] that a <pre>yum upgrade</
Following a report from [[UweKiewel|Uwe Kiewel]] that a <pre>yum upgrade</> had spewed all sorts of errors the supported methods for upgrades were re-stated<ref>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg02041.html</ref> by [[User:Adamwill|Adam Williamson]]: "[I]f you talk to the people most involved in implementing it (Seth) and testing it (Will) they will tell you that doing live upgrades via yum can't really ever be 100% safe for various reasons, but preupgrade can get very close and is useful in all the same cases. So their position is, we support preupgrade, we don't support yum. If yum works, great, if it doesn't, you can bug people to fix whatever it stopping it working, but it's not 'required' by any policy or guideline."
Revision as of 00:49, 1 June 2009
In this section the people, personalities and debates on the @fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.
Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley
Would You Like to Write This Beat ?
Following this issue (FWN#178) I will, with regret, no longer be covering the @fedora-devel list. If you are interested in writing this weekly summary of the deeds and doings on the list then please contact firstname.lastname@example.org or Pascal Calarco. A short overview of what you may need to do can be obtained by reading the workflow section of the wiki. The @fedora-news list is also extremely open and helpful.
gnaughty is a Hot Babe
One interesting point is that CMUCL was revealed to be only available for 32-bit systems. However what got people really excited was Rahul's question about what to do concerning the
gNaughty package. Its sole purpose seemed to be downloading pornography. Rahul referenced the
hot-babe CPU monitor which enjoyed controversy in Debian packaging circles due to its use of female nudity. Rahul wanted to find out "[...] is this allowed in Fedora?"
Amusingly a good deal of the controversy focused on whether the content was freely redistributable, but a predictable moral angle was raised by Muayyad AlSadi who asked for help in producing a spin which removed content deemed objectionable. Muayyad is a Jordanian developer who has been producing an Arabic-localized Fedora spin named "Ojuba" for some time. Muayyad sought a way to make identifying and tagging packages easier to facilitate this spin. Bill Nottingham was skeptical about the chances of tags keeping meaning unless there was some sort of review board. Equally predictable was the reaction typified by Seth Vidal which resisted any attempt to restrict packages according to standards which had nothing to do with licensing or patent issues. Mathieu Bridon thought that the creation of a wiki-page by Muayyad would allow anyone interested in co-ordinating work on "Inappropriate Content" to just go ahead and do it without dragging in bureaucracy.
- One of the Common Lisp implementations: http://www.cons.org/cmucl/
Chrome9 Vx800 Graphics Support on LiveUSB
Kristaps Viesalgs asked for help in getting the Fedora Live USB to boot correctly on a machine using a Via Vx800 "Chrome9" GPU. Kristaps had some success with the latest upstream version (from their subversion repository) and asked: "Is there any brutal option how to properly boot X with vesa driver, install Fedora, then make openchrome svn installation? Is Fedora planning to make for VIA graphic chipset autoconfiguration utility?"
Adam Jackson asked for a more specific bug report because the chip should be supported. He preferred not to ship an autoconfiguration utility instead of just getting the driver correct. Similar points were made by Adam Williamson and [[User:|Xavier Bachelot]]. The latter asked any interested developers to help out the openchrome project in both the 2D and 3D(Gallium) sides.
Who Wants a Pony?
Firestarter Retired as Unportable to PolicyKit
Adam Miller asked whether he should just retire the
Firestarter package for which he had recently become the maintainer. His query was based on the recent filing of RFEs to integrate
PolicyKit. These suggested to Adam that a large amount of work would be needed due to the lack of any upstream activity for four years and the need to grok
Following confirmation from Rahul Sundaram and Seth Vidal a decision was made by Adam: "I would honestly rather retire the package than do a WONTFIX, if the project as a whole is going the direction of PolicyKit and upstream is dead then I don't want to keep old and busted cruft around the repositories as Fedora continues to look towards the future."
A further suggestion from "Cry" prompted Adam to start filing RFEs against
system-config-firewall for any features present in
Firestarter but missing in
- Firestarter is a firewall configuration GUI
Russian Fedora ?
When Peter Lemenkov asked about the idea of creating a Fedora Foundation outside of the U.S.A. the usual arguments from the past few years were rehashed. Kevin Kofler gave an able summary why this would still present Red Hat with a problem.
An assertion by [[User:|Alexey Torkhov]] that there existed a Red Hat-sanctioned "RussianFedora" spin which contained mp3 codecs and other material excluded from the actual Fedora Project repositories drew demands for proof from Rahul Sundaram.
Will FESCo Revisit Kmods ?
A discussion of why
VirtualBox will not be a feature due to its code not yet heading upstream and consequently remaining as
kmods drew a statement of support from Kevin Kofler for reverting the current banning of
kmods should he become a FESCo member. Upon request from Richard W.M. Jones for a dispassionate summary of the reasons to avoid
kmods drew a concise response from Seth Vidal.
Upgrade from Fedora 10 to Rawhide (Fedora 11)Following a report from Uwe Kiewel that a
yum upgradehad spewed all sorts of errors the supported methods for upgrades were re-stated by Adam Williamson: "[I]f you talk to the people most involved in implementing it (Seth) and testing it (Will) they will tell you that doing live upgrades via yum can't really ever be 100% safe for various reasons, but preupgrade can get very close and is useful in all the same cases. So their position is, we support preupgrade, we don't support yum. If yum works, great, if it doesn't, you can bug people to fix whatever it stopping it working, but it's not 'required' by any policy or guideline."