Gimp Tricks (2008-12-07 classroom)

Fedora Classroom - How to wow your friends with awesome Gimp tricks! - Máirín Duffy - Sunday, December 7, 2008

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nirik	mizmo: you ready?	Dec 07 06:45
mizmo	sure	Dec 07 06:45
mizmo	so who's here for the gimp talk?	Dec 07 06:45
dgrift	i am	Dec 07 06:45
SSlater	me	Dec 07 06:45
Roobarb-Home	*waves*	Dec 07 06:45
LukasT_away	me too	Dec 07 06:46
mizmo	cool what versions of gimp do y'all have?	Dec 07 06:46
*mj0vy1 started GIMP		Dec 07 06:46
mizmo	im going to be using 2.6, which is in fedora 10	Dec 07 06:46
mj0vy1	2.4.5	Dec 07 06:46
dgrift	2.6.2	Dec 07 06:46
SSlater	2.4.3	Dec 07 06:47
mizmo	Roobarb-Home, LukasT_away?	Dec 07 06:47
LukasT_away	mizmo: 2.6	Dec 07 06:47
Roobarb-Home	2.6	Dec 07 06:47
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mizmo	okay	Dec 07 06:47
mizmo	so there are some differences in the way the menus are arranged between 2.4 and 2.6	Dec 07 06:47
mizmo	so if i say to go somewhere and you can't find it let me know, okay?	Dec 07 06:48
mizmo	everyone should fire up gimp now :)	Dec 07 06:48
*nirik doesn't seem to have it installed on the laptop... installing now.		Dec 07 06:49
mizmo	okay cool	Dec 07 06:49
mizmo	we're going to start with a photo that i found on the creative commons search engine	Dec 07 06:49
mizmo	just a remark upfront, when you're working with photos and other sourced artwork, check the license before you use it	Dec 07 06:49
zcat	mizmo, have enough bandwidth for a view-only VNC from many?	Dec 07 06:49
mizmo	it can be pretty heartbreaking to come up with an awesome image and later discover that you used something with a bad license and you have to throw out your awesome image	Dec 07 06:50
mizmo	zcat, i dont think so, what i'm going to do is try to put stuff up at http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp	Dec 07 06:50
mizmo	on-the-fly screenshots, etc	Dec 07 06:50
zcat	ok, that works	Dec 07 06:50
mizmo	hopefully i dont run out of disk space :)	Dec 07 06:50
mizmo	so anyhow, i used the cc search engine to find a source image: http://search.creativecommons.org/	Dec 07 06:51
mizmo	i checked off search for works i can use for commercial purposes and works i can modify, adapt, or build upon	Dec 07 06:51
mizmo	so i'd know i was pretty much in the clear on whatever i wanted to do	Dec 07 06:51
mizmo	here's the image I fonud:	Dec 07 06:52
mizmo	http://flickr.com/photos/gaetanlee/2482895280/	Dec 07 06:52
mizmo	(note the license in the lower right corner of flickr photos, if you hover over the license link it'll give you an idea of what the exact cc license is)	Dec 07 06:52
mizmo	for the highest quality let's work with the original image size	Dec 07 06:53
mizmo	so go ahead and download http://flickr.com/photos/gaetanlee/2482895280/sizes/o/	Dec 07 06:53
mizmo	and let me know when you're ready to go :)	Dec 07 06:53
mizmo	(open it up in gimp, too)	Dec 07 06:53
mizmo	:)	Dec 07 06:53
LukasT	File-> Open Location -> paste URL	Dec 07 06:53
mizmo	i actually like to save to my hard drive first, and i try to put the flickr id in the filename when i save so if i have to look up the artist's name later to give them credit, i can	Dec 07 06:54
mizmo	but its a personal preference thing	Dec 07 06:54
*nirik is getting a 'convert to rgb working space?' dialog		Dec 07 06:54
dgrift	convert to RGB working space?	Dec 07 06:54
mizmo	dgrift, it should already be in RGB	Dec 07 06:55
mizmo	dgrift, if gimp is asking you to convert it to RGB then go ahead	Dec 07 06:55
dgrift	it is ADOBE RGB (1998)	Dec 07 06:55
Roobarb-Home	A-RGB vs sRGB I think	Dec 07 06:55
mizmo	weird, it didn't ask me about that	Dec 07 06:55
nirik	"The image has an embeded color profile: ADOBE RGB (1998)..."	Dec 07 06:55
LukasT	me to get question	Dec 07 06:55
nirik	it does have a 'don't show me this again' checkbox.	Dec 07 06:56
mizmo	ah could be i have it not bug me about that	Dec 07 06:56
LukasT	mizmo: can you explain the differencies?	Dec 07 06:56
LukasT	mizmo: between sRgb and argb?	Dec 07 06:56
mizmo	LukasT, to be honest i am not much of an expert on color profiles	Dec 07 06:56
LukasT	mizmo: i see :)	Dec 07 06:56
mizmo	LukasT, and it's really hard to find information on them	Dec 07 06:56
LukasT	let's continue	Dec 07 06:56
Roobarb-Home	one is better for printing, the other for screens	Dec 07 06:57
LukasT	so I	Dec 07 06:57
LukasT	m converting :)	Dec 07 06:57
mizmo	Roobarb-Home, in my understanding RGB is never for printing	Dec 07 06:57
mizmo	Roobarb-Home, for printing you either use CMYK, which is offset, or pantone spot colors	Dec 07 06:57
mizmo	when you use RGB for printing, you get things like purple fedora CDs (yes this happened for the fedora 7 media :) )	Dec 07 06:57
mizmo	everybody ready to continue?	Dec 07 06:58
LukasT	yep	Dec 07 06:58
dgrift	i am	Dec 07 06:58
*nirik nods.		Dec 07 06:58
mizmo	okay so the first thing i'm going to go over is masking	Dec 07 06:58
mizmo	so when a lot of folks first start out with the gimp and similar tools, they tend to use the eraser tool a lot	Dec 07 06:58
mizmo	sometimes they might erase something they didn't mean to, and then have to press "undo" a million times	Dec 07 06:59
mizmo	well, there is no need for that with masks	Dec 07 06:59
mizmo	you basically apply a mask to your image, depending on the type of mask, if you paint white on the mask then you'll be painting your image, if you paint black on the mask then you'll be "erasing" your image	Dec 07 06:59
mizmo	shades of grey make the image show up partly transparent depending on the depth of the grey	Dec 07 07:00
mizmo	if you make a mistake 'erasing' with your black strokes, you can go back and fix it by repainting your image with white	Dec 07 07:00
mizmo	it'll become clear when we go ahead and do it	Dec 07 07:00
mizmo	so what i want you to do first is click on the 'duplicate layer' button in the 'layers' palette	Dec 07 07:00
mizmo	if you cant find the layers palette, go to windows > dockable dialogs > layers or hit ctrl + L	Dec 07 07:01
mizmo	clicking the 'duplicate layer' button should give you a second copy of the image	Dec 07 07:01
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mizmo	and it should be called "Background copy"	Dec 07 07:01
mizmo	what i then like to do is click the little eyeball icon to the left of the background layer and hide it	Dec 07 07:02
mizmo	i keep it around as a 'backup copy' just in case	Dec 07 07:02
mizmo	everyone following so far?	Dec 07 07:02
LukasT	yep	Dec 07 07:02
dgrift	yes	Dec 07 07:02
mizmo	okay so what we do next is right click that second copy layer, which is our working layer	Dec 07 07:03
mizmo	and about halfway down the layer select "add layer mask"	Dec 07 07:03
mizmo	initialize the layer to white (full opacity)	Dec 07 07:03
mizmo	here's a screenshot so far (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss1.png)	Dec 07 07:04
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mizmo	so notice you've now got the girl in a little preview on the left and to the right side youve got a little white layer	Dec 07 07:05
mizmo	the white layer is your mask	Dec 07 07:05
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mizmo	if you want to see what the mask looks like, you can right click the layer and click 'show layer mask'	Dec 07 07:05
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mizmo	note that by default, when you add a layer mask to an image, "edit layer mask" is always on by default	Dec 07 07:06
mizmo	sometimes you can be trying to draw on the working image itself and get frustrated that you don't seem to be affecting it - if it's got a mask, look at that checkbox to see if that is what's going on :)	Dec 07 07:06
mizmo	so go ahead and click 'show layer mask' on the layer	Dec 07 07:06
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mizmo	and here's our first, rather weird trick,	Dec 07 07:07
mizmo	we're going to paint with this poor girl :)	Dec 07 07:07
mizmo	fill in the layer mask with black	Dec 07 07:07
mizmo	and then in white, use the brush tool to draw a silly little sketch or write something	Dec 07 07:08
LukasT	nice :)	Dec 07 07:08
mizmo	to see your strange painting, right click the layer and uncheck 'show layer mask'	Dec 07 07:09
mizmo	you may want to click 'new layer' and fill it with white, then move it under your working layer to get a better look at your wonderful new art :)	Dec 07 07:09
mizmo	here's mine:	Dec 07 07:10
mizmo	before: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss2.png	Dec 07 07:10
mizmo	after: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss3.png	Dec 07 07:10
Roobarb-Home	ooh freaky	Dec 07 07:11
mizmo	you can do this with any type of source image	Dec 07 07:11
mizmo	so sometimes, you might see text that is written with say letters made out of fire, or made out of ice, or made out of metal	Dec 07 07:11
mizmo	sometimes what artists do is get a source image that is a picture of fire, ice, metal, or some other texture	Dec 07 07:11
mizmo	then use a mask to make that texture the filling for their letters or work	Dec 07 07:12
mizmo	this works better than the pattern fill tool,	Dec 07 07:12
mj0vy1	great..!	Dec 07 07:12
mizmo	because you can click and drag the mask to find the best spot within the texture/pattern for the fill to sit in	Dec 07 07:12
Roobarb-Home	ah nice	Dec 07 07:12
mizmo	okay so here's one more advanced technique for this trick :)	Dec 07 07:12
mizmo	take your backup copy of the girl	Dec 07 07:12
mizmo	move it to the top of the layer stack	Dec 07 07:13
behdad	photofonts!	Dec 07 07:13
mizmo	and the opacity slider at the top of the layers list? while having your backup girl selected in the layers palette, move the slider to about 50%	Dec 07 07:13
mizmo	now, right click your working layer, and 'show layer mask' again	Dec 07 07:13
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mizmo	clear off your layer mask - you can just hit ctrl+a to select all in the layer mask, and ctrl+x to erase it	Dec 07 07:14
mizmo	everyone with me?	Dec 07 07:14
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*nirik thinks so.		Dec 07 07:15
mj0vy1	yes ..(guess)	Dec 07 07:15
mizmo	basically what we're doing here is superimposing a partially-transparent copy of the original image ON TOP OF the layer mask	Dec 07 07:15
mizmo	so we can see the source image while we work with the mask	Dec 07 07:15
mizmo	this enables you to do creepy things like only show (if the source image is a person) the person's eyes, mouth, and ears	Dec 07 07:16
mizmo	so fill your layer mask in with black again	Dec 07 07:16
mizmo	and get out your brush, using white as the color	Dec 07 07:16
mizmo	and trace over the girl's eyes and mouth	Dec 07 07:16
mizmo	(her ears arent very visible :) )	Dec 07 07:17
mizmo	one trick that is handy to know here	Dec 07 07:18
mizmo	is that you can use the magic wand selection tool on the layer of the girl above the mask,	Dec 07 07:18
mizmo	then select the mask layer in the layer dialog	Dec 07 07:18
mizmo	and use the selection from the top layer in the mask layer	Dec 07 07:19
mizmo	im using that technique to select her sunglasses to fill them in white	Dec 07 07:19
mizmo	in the mask	Dec 07 07:19
mizmo	here's my work in progress: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss4.png	Dec 07 07:19
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mizmo	when you're happy with your mask, of course	Dec 07 07:21
mizmo	right click the working layer, and uncheck 'show layer mask'	Dec 07 07:21
mizmo	mine looks really funny lol, let me show you	Dec 07 07:21
mizmo	http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss5.png	Dec 07 07:22
mizmo	so if i wanted to make this girl into a mr. potato head	Dec 07 07:22
mizmo	i could look for a CC-BY licensed image of a potato	Dec 07 07:22
mizmo	and put the potato right-side-up in a layer behind my working layer :)	Dec 07 07:22
SSlater	How to take the selection from one layer to another?	Dec 07 07:23
mizmo	SSlater, you simply click on the layer you want to apply the selection to in the layers palette	Dec 07 07:23
mizmo	SSlater, so step by step:	Dec 07 07:23
mizmo	1) click on the layer you want to make a selection from.	Dec 07 07:23
mizmo	2) pick up the magic wand tool, and select the areas you want (if you hold down the shift key while you click the magic wand tool, it'll add selection areas together to be one big selection area)	Dec 07 07:23
SSlater	yes	Dec 07 07:23
SSlater	right	Dec 07 07:24
mizmo	3) when you are happy with your selection area, click on a different layer, the layer you want to apply the selection to	Dec 07 07:24
mizmo	SSlater, did that work for ya?	Dec 07 07:24
mizmo	have i lost anybody?	Dec 07 07:24
SSlater	I see now, thanks.	Dec 07 07:24
mizmo	does anyone have any questions?	Dec 07 07:25
mizmo	what we're going to do next is turn this girl into a zebra	Dec 07 07:26
mizmo	it's going to be awesome	Dec 07 07:26
mizmo	first I want you to download this CC-BY image of a zebra that I found	Dec 07 07:27
mizmo	http://flickr.com/photos/lipkee/2904603582/	Dec 07 07:27
mizmo	get the largest size available	Dec 07 07:27
mizmo	oh actually	Dec 07 07:27
mizmo	that one is small let me find the bigge rone	Dec 07 07:27
mizmo	here we go, this one is better:	Dec 07 07:27
mizmo	http://flickr.com/photos/tiswango/459316087/sizes/o/	Dec 07 07:27
*inode0 goes back to the beginning to see how classes work when you miss the first hour of them :(		Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	hehe	Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	inode0, well if you want	Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	im about to start the next trick	Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	if you want to start from there	Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	and you could go back later to do the other ones	Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	you'll need to download this: http://flickr.com/photos/tiswango/459316087/sizes/o/	Dec 07 07:28
mizmo	and this: http://flickr.com/photos/gaetanlee/2482895280/sizes/o/	Dec 07 07:29
mizmo	inode0, we started late, at 8:45 my time	Dec 07 07:29
mizmo	okay so you can delete or hide your current working layer now	Dec 07 07:29
LukasT	14:45 my time :)	Dec 07 07:29
mizmo	make another copy of your original photo of the girl	Dec 07 07:30
inode0	I was here early but got called away and just got back, will try to pick up now	Dec 07 07:30
mizmo	and hide your backup copy by clicking on the eyeball to the left of it in the layers palette	Dec 07 07:30
mizmo	right click your new working layer, and again add a layer mask (again selecting white / full opacity)	Dec 07 07:31
mizmo	so here is what we are going to do, we are going to make a mask that contains only the girl's face and neck - basically the areas of skin that we want to apply the zebra texture to	Dec 07 07:31
mizmo	note that while the original source image is showing, you're in layer mask edit mode	Dec 07 07:32
mizmo	so if you make magic wand selections and fill them, it will apply to the layer mask	Dec 07 07:32
mizmo	there are a few techniques for selecting large areas in a photo	Dec 07 07:32
mizmo	we're just going to do the simplest - outline the areas you want carefully with the paintbrush, painting them black inside the layer mask,	Dec 07 07:33
mizmo	then filling the middle with black	Dec 07 07:33
mizmo	okay so here's what i've got now:	Dec 07 07:36
mizmo	http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss6.png	Dec 07 07:36
mizmo	i'm about ready to fill in my outline with black	Dec 07 07:36
mizmo	in the layer mask	Dec 07 07:36
LukasT	mizmo: do you use mouse or tablet?	Dec 07 07:36
mizmo	LukasT, i've got a tablet laptop :)	Dec 07 07:36
mizmo	any other questions?	Dec 07 07:37
Skarllot	it can be done in GIMP 2.4.7?	Dec 07 07:37
mizmo	Skarllot, absolutely :)	Dec 07 07:37
mizmo	okay i'm gong to move forward in the interest of time	Dec 07 07:38
mizmo	i hope i've still got folks with me :)	Dec 07 07:38
mizmo	so, we've got a black mask over the girls face ,	Dec 07 07:38
SSlater	done	Dec 07 07:38
mizmo	i goofed a bit, we want the mask to be white in the mask layer	Dec 07 07:38
mizmo	but this is okay, it's a simple step	Dec 07 07:38
mizmo	we just invert the mask	Dec 07 07:38
Roobarb-Home	hmm, I'm gonna have to go back through this on my main workstation - these big files are killing my poor laptop	Dec 07 07:39
mizmo	we do this by going to colors > invert	Dec 07 07:39
mizmo	Roobarb-Home, sorry :( :(	Dec 07 07:39
Roobarb-Home	'tis ok	Dec 07 07:39
mizmo	Roobarb-Home, i'll note that for next time. i'll pick smaller files next time.	Dec 07 07:39
mizmo	so here's what i had after i filled in: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss6.png	Dec 07 07:39
Roobarb-Home	they're uncompressing to ~150MB	Dec 07 07:39
mizmo	here's what i have after inverting: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss8.png	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	now you'll note there are some areas we do not want to put zebra on	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	her sunglasses and her mouth	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	:)	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	which we already created a mask for	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	so this should be easy,	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	we want to mask out her eyeglasses and her mouth using white	Dec 07 07:40
mizmo	so that the zebra won't apply to them	Dec 07 07:41
mizmo	so im going to go ahead and do that real quick	Dec 07 07:41
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mizmo	oh except now im inverted	Dec 07 07:41
mizmo	so im going to mask them wqith black (sorry)	Dec 07 07:41
mizmo	so here's what i've got now:　　http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss9.png	Dec 07 07:44
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mizmo	next i'm going to pull in that zebra image i downloaded. I'll do this by going to file > open as layer	Dec 07 07:44
mizmo	and im finding the resolution of the girl is a bit too high in comparison to the zebra	Dec 07 07:45
mizmo	she's at a pretty huge resolution	Dec 07 07:45
mizmo	so i'm going to size my image down 50%	Dec 07 07:45
mizmo	image > scale image, select percent dropdown, type 50 in	Dec 07 07:45
mizmo	and then i'm going to 'open as layers...' the zebra one more time, and it should fit over her better this time	Dec 07 07:45
mizmo	im going to make the zebra layer 50% so i can work out how to position it	Dec 07 07:46
mizmo	here's what that looks like:	Dec 07 07:46
mizmo	http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss10.png	Dec 07 07:46
mizmo	im going to use the layer rotate tool to get the zebra fitting my mask area	Dec 07 07:47
mizmo	here's the fit i ended up with: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss11.png	Dec 07 07:48
mizmo	now im going to make the zebra layer 100% again	Dec 07 07:48
mizmo	im going to hide it by clicking on the eye icon to the left of it in the layers palette	Dec 07 07:49
mizmo	and im going to go in to my working layer with the girl, and copy the mask from her and add it to the zebra :)	Dec 07 07:49
mizmo	so im going to select my old working layer of the girl + face mask	Dec 07 07:49
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mizmo	im going to right click it and select 'show layer mask'	Dec 07 07:49
mizmo	i'm going to hit ctrl+a to select all, and ctrl+c to copy	Dec 07 07:49
mizmo	then i'm going to select the zebra layer, right click it, add layer mask, full opacity/white	Dec 07 07:50
mizmo	and im going to click ctrl+v to paste the layer mask into the zebra	Dec 07 07:50
mizmo	i'll click the eye to make the zebra layer visible again	Dec 07 07:50
mizmo	and i should see zebra skin in the shape of the girl's face!	Dec 07 07:51
mizmo	http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss12.png	Dec 07 07:51
mizmo	so now, i will show my backup copy layer of the girl by clicking the eye icon next to it in the layers palette	Dec 07 07:51
mizmo	and ill get tihs: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss13.png	Dec 07 07:52
mizmo	not exactly awesome right? :)	Dec 07 07:52
mizmo	well we're not finished	Dec 07 07:52
mizmo	select the zebra layer	Dec 07 07:52
mizmo	and in the mode dropdown in the layers palette	Dec 07 07:52
mizmo	select burn	Dec 07 07:53
mizmo	and make the opacity about 60%	Dec 07 07:53
mizmo	duplicate the zebra layer	Dec 07 07:53
mizmo	in the mode dropdown for the second zebra layer, select 'saturation'	Dec 07 07:54
mizmo	do that about 80%	Dec 07 07:54
mizmo	http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/gimp/ss14.png	Dec 07 07:54
mizmo	that's a bit more realistic / awesome-looking :)	Dec 07 07:54
mizmo	you can see some sloppiness in my masks along her neckline, and in her teeth	Dec 07 07:55
zcat	funky	Dec 07 07:55
mizmo	but i did a quick sloppy job :) i can always easily correct these mistakes by painting either white or black in the mask	Dec 07 07:55
mizmo	no need to go back and un-do or re-do anything	Dec 07 07:55
mizmo	so that's about what i've got	Dec 07 07:56
mizmo	sorry i ran over a bit	Dec 07 07:56
mizmo	does anyone have any questions?	Dec 07 07:56
SSlater	I have a floating selection (Pasted layer) and cannot select the zebra layer.	Dec 07 07:56
LukasT	thank you mizmo, I learn to use masks :)	Dec 07 07:56
mizmo	SSlater, when you have a floating selection, it will go to the layer that's directly below it	Dec 07 07:56
SSlater	okay.	Dec 07 07:57
mizmo	SSlater, you click the anchor icon to make it go to that layer	Dec 07 07:57
SSlater	that's better, thanks.	Dec 07 07:57
mizmo	SSlater, if you're not happy with the layer it's under, and want to pick a different one, you can click the trashcan to delete the floating selection, select the layer you want, then hit ctrl+v to try again	Dec 07 07:57
SSlater	right.	Dec 07 07:58
mizmo	you can also use this technique	Dec 07 07:58
mizmo	with a photo of cracked dirt	Dec 07 07:59
mizmo	to make the person look like a zombie	Dec 07 07:59
mizmo	(see the upper right example here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/barbara.png)	Dec 07 07:59
mizmo	also, i did this recently at a demo i gave	Dec 07 07:59
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mizmo	you can make the person look like they are made out of ice using an ice layer	Dec 07 07:59
mizmo	instead of zebra	Dec 07 07:59
mizmo	so you can take this technique and really run with it	Dec 07 07:59
mizmo	any more questions?	Dec 07 08:00
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mizmo	all right	Dec 07 08:00
mizmo	i gotta run	Dec 07 08:00
nirik	this might be something that would work well as a screencast file... so we can see exactly which things are done in which order. ;)	Dec 07 08:00
mizmo	yek	Dec 07 08:00
mizmo	yeh	Dec 07 08:00
nirik	thanks for the class mizmo !	Dec 07 08:00
mizmo	it was my pleasure :)	Dec 07 08:00
mizmo	hope you folks had fun	Dec 07 08:00
SSlater	Thanks mizmo.	Dec 07 08:01
mizmo	and i hope this inspires you to play around with the gimp a little more	Dec 07 08:01
mizmo	just wanted to throw in a little shameless promo, the fedora art team is always looking for more artists to help out :)	Dec 07 08:01
mizmo	fedora-art-list@redhat.com	Dec 07 08:01
mizmo	later :)	Dec 07 08:01
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nirik	well, we don't have any more classes scheduled today, but there is a wrap up session...	Dec 07 08:02
Skarllot	what computer is recomended to these operations?	Dec 07 08:02
nirik	I can wait and do that at the time scheduled on the wiki, and/or I would be happy to take any questions or feedback about the classes anytime now... ;)	Dec 07 08:02
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Skarllot	here is very slow editing these images	Dec 07 08:02
nirik	Skarllot: for gimp? lots of memory is good... images take up a lot.	Dec 07 08:02
Skarllot	I have 2GB	Dec 07 08:03
Skarllot	by now is using 1,3GB	Dec 07 08:03
nirik	if anyone has suggestions on improving classes, ideas for classes, desire to teach classes, or general comments, feel free to add them here, or contact me.	Dec 07 08:03
nirik	wow... I didn't think it was that bad here... let me look.	Dec 07 08:03
nirik	mine is only using about 600MB... ;(	Dec 07 08:04
nirik	Skarllot: what version of fedora and gimp?	Dec 07 08:04
Skarllot	2.6.27.5-41.fc9.x86_64	Dec 07 08:05
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Skarllot	GIMP 2.4.7	Dec 07 08:06
nirik	wonder if the newer gimp improved memory usage a lot.	Dec 07 08:06
nirik	I have 2.6.3 here.	Dec 07 08:06
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Skarllot	I'll can get 2.6.3 only in fedora 10, right?	Dec 07 08:07
nirik	yeah, I think so... it requires other new packages.	Dec 07 08:07
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Skarllot	fedora 10 is stable enought to nvidia cards?	Dec 07 08:08
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*nirik has an intel... you can always try a live media and see how it works before you upgrade.		Dec 07 08:08

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