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| jsmith | #startmeeting Fedora Board IRC Meeting | 18:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Fri Oct 1 18:01:19 2010 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 18:01 |
| jsmith | #meetingname Fedora Board | 18:01 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board' | 18:01 |
| jsmith | #topic Roll Call (for Board members) | 18:01 |
| * jsmith is here | 18:01 | |
| * mdomsch | 18:02 | |
| * jds2001 | 18:02 | |
| * ctyler here | 18:02 | |
| * mizmo here | 18:02 | |
| rdieter | here | 18:02 |
| jsmith | Looks like we have most of the board here :-) | 18:03 |
| jsmith | Great! | 18:03 |
| jsmith | #topic Introduction | 18:03 |
| jsmith | I'd like to take just a minute to introduce the topic and take care of a few particulars | 18:03 |
| jsmith | First of all, let me express my thanks for everyone who has helped us to work on the vision statement | 18:03 |
| jsmith | It hasn't been a particularly easy thing to do | 18:03 |
| jsmith | but I very much feel it's a worthwhile endeavor | 18:04 |
| jsmith | So, to make a long story short, this meeting is setup as a Q&A session around the vision statement | 18:04 |
| jsmith | (if we have extra time, we'll open things up for more general Q&A) | 18:04 |
| jsmith | We'll use our typical protocol for asking questions, which is detailed here: Board_public_IRC_meetings | 18:05 |
| jsmith | #info Meeting is for Q&A re: vision statement | 18:05 |
| jsmith | Any questions or comments before we get started with Q&A? | 18:05 |
| jsmith | #info Final draft of the Vision Statement is ""The Fedora Project creates a world in which free and open culture is both welcoming and pervasive, collaboration and outreach are the norm, and people are empowered to control their own content and devices." | 18:06 |
| jsmith | #topic Questions and Answers regarding the Vision Statement | 18:07 |
| jds2001 | jaroslav raised a comment on the mailing list that's worth considering - pervasive would be a word not known to the average non-native english speaker | 18:07 |
| jsmith | The time is now yours for questions and answers... we'll try to limit each individual question to ~8 minutes, to be able to cover as many questions as possible | 18:08 |
| mizmo | #info thread on the vision statement on advisory-board list http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-September/009308.html | 18:08 |
| jsmith | jds2001: Good question... | 18:08 |
| jds2001 | but im not sure of a suggestion to fix it :( | 18:08 |
| mizmo | common, general, inescapable, omnipresent, permeating, pervading, prevalent, rife, ubiquitous, universal, wall-to-wall, widespread | 18:08 |
| rdieter | thesarus-fu | 18:08 |
| mizmo | far-reaching, sweeping | 18:08 |
| jsmith | jds2001: I too hesitated to use that word, but it's a word that very well describes how we want Fedora to fit into the bigger world. Yes, it's a difficult word to translate, but it's also a very specific word | 18:08 |
| mizmo | wide-ranging, widespread | 18:09 |
| jsmith | It's a combination of far-reaching and widespread | 18:09 |
| jsmith | In other words, it's not a mile wide and an inch deep | 18:09 |
| jsmith | Nor is it a mile deep and an inch wide | 18:09 |
| mdomsch | for the germans: in, with, and under ? :-) | 18:09 |
| rdieter | I had asked jreznik for suggested alternatives, but seems he didn't come up with any. :( | 18:09 |
| jsmith | permeating is as close to pervasive as any of the others, but is difficult to translate itself :-/ | 18:10 |
| mdomsch | sorry - protestant/lutheran humor attempt there... | 18:10 |
| jsmith | mdomsch: No worries... even if nobody else laughed, I got a kick out of it. | 18:11 |
| mizmo | what is the meaning meant in the statement | 18:11 |
| jds2001 | heh | 18:11 |
| mizmo | my interpretation was ubiquitous / widespread | 18:11 |
| mizmo | "pervasive: to become spread throughout all parts of: Spring pervaded the air. " | 18:11 |
| mizmo | widespread seems to be simpler language with similar meaning | 18:12 |
| mizmo | "widespread: spread over or open, or occupying a wide space; distributed over a wide region, or occurring in many places or among many persons or individuals" | 18:12 |
| mdomsch | and provides alliteration | 18:12 |
| jsmith | It's not as exact, but might be close enough | 18:12 |
| * mizmo missing the exactness involved | 18:12 | |
| * mdomsch can't spell today either | 18:12 | |
| rdieter | widespread works for me | 18:12 |
| jsmith | mdomsch: If we're going for that, I'm sure we could replace "outreach" with something that started with the letter 'c' | 18:13 |
| mizmo | wuh-wuh instead of wup-puh | 18:13 |
| mdomsch | well, we have 2 options: | 18:13 |
| mdomsch | we can keep pervasive, and when we translate to other languages, attempt to find the closest match in each | 18:13 |
| mdomsch | or we can use a different word, that might be more easily translated; but I suspect we'll run into the same problem with anything we choose | 18:14 |
| rdieter | I'd like to hear from >1 non-native speaker too | 18:14 |
| mizmo | rdieter, i think the guy upset about the commas had the same point | 18:14 |
| mizmo | even though it only has two commas | 18:14 |
| mizmo | his point was that it takes a while to dig into the meaning | 18:15 |
| rdieter | ok, then, >2 ? :) | 18:15 |
| jds2001 | the commas are correct :) | 18:15 |
| jsmith | Yes, I placed the commas with care :-) | 18:15 |
| rdieter | grammar rocks | 18:15 |
| mizmo | yeh the commas are clearly correct, but this dude used them as the reason (albeit likely wrong) he couldn't grok the sentence easily | 18:16 |
| mizmo | but i think that can be solved too by listing the series out in bullet points when wiki-fying the statement | 18:16 |
| mizmo | that would definitely improve the readability imho | 18:16 |
| * jds2001 didnt find anything saying he couldnt grok it | 18:16 | |
| jds2001 | just asking if it was needed | 18:16 |
| mizmo | jds2001, i had a discussion with him off-list | 18:16 |
| jds2001 | ahhhh | 18:16 |
| jsmith | mizmo: I like the idea of bullets | 18:16 |
| rdieter | and possibly the background, intent behind each of those points, as well ? (or not?) | 18:17 |
| ctyler | in an expansion or explanation, sure | 18:17 |
| jds2001 | we should keep spot's feedback in mind - this should fit in a tweet :) | 18:17 |
| jds2001 | but i think we're over that | 18:18 |
| rdieter | cool, cause I had to explain that on several occasions to folks who ended up with different/interesting interpretations, than what was the intention | 18:18 |
| mizmo | extra explanation is probably cool but just somewhere else, kind of how individual points in the mission statement is explained on the overview page further down | 18:18 |
| mizmo | not embedded | 18:18 |
| jsmith | Right... I don't have a problem explaining the meaning and intention on a wiki page, but the vision statement itself should be concise | 18:18 |
| rdieter | nod, agreed. | 18:18 |
| jsmith | In the absence of any other feedback on the word "pervasive", I'm gonna put my vote in the "leave it in there" column | 18:19 |
| mdomsch | jds2001: we're a bit over a tweet, yes | 18:19 |
| mizmo | i think pervasive is the most 'SAT vocabularly' word in the statement, i dont really see any of the others being potentially problematic | 18:19 |
| mizmo | i think widespread is a better word | 18:19 |
| ctyler | jsmith: +1 to leaving pervasive in there | 18:19 |
| mdomsch | pervasive++ | 18:20 |
| mizmo | 1 | 18:20 |
| ctyler | mizmo: pervasive is perhaps broader than widespread -- pervasive means soaking through everything, not just 'common' | 18:20 |
| jsmith | mizmo: The best way I can explain it is with a peanut-butter sandwich... I see peanut butter widespread on the bread, but not pervasive throughout the sandwich | 18:20 |
| * jds2001 is on the fence :) | 18:20 | |
| mizmo | sounds like split ends to me | 18:21 |
| mizmo | its a vision statement, not a literary opus | 18:21 |
| jsmith | Point well taken | 18:21 |
| rdieter | I think I'm with mizmo here, the clarity has to take precedence | 18:21 |
| rdieter | 1 | 18:21 |
| mizmo | if people have to pull out a dictionary, they wont, then the clarified meaning is completely lost not just partially | 18:21 |
| stickster | FWIW, I like 'widespread.' The vision statement should be simple *and* concise. | 18:22 |
| stickster | I think it's easy for those of us who love language and writing to sometimes love a word for its connotation and distinction, but it may not help Joe Average (or even Joe Above-average) understand us better :-) | 18:22 |
| mdomsch | stickster: are we past your 'concise' limit too? | 18:22 |
| mizmo | jane like peanut butter. ugh ugh. | 18:23 |
| rdieter | stickster: +1 (well said, better than what I was drumming up) | 18:23 |
| stickster | mdomsch: No, I really like it. | 18:23 |
| stickster | mizmo: :-D | 18:23 |
| * jsmith changes his vote to a definitive +0 | 18:23 | |
| mdomsch | i'm fine with widespread | 18:23 |
| jsmith | Alright... what other parts of the vision statement do we want to discuss | 18:24 |
| * jds2001 -1 to pervasive now :) | 18:24 | |
| jsmith | (I mean -- if this is the most contentious piece, then we've done something right, correct?) | 18:24 |
| jds2001 | rdieter: do keep in mind that stickster is....verbose :D | 18:24 |
| stickster | loquacious | 18:24 |
| stickster | bombastic | 18:24 |
| * jsmith would almost add "full of hot air" if he weren't sitting right next to stickster at this moment | 18:24 | |
| rdieter | stickster is on a roll, go go | 18:24 |
| mdomsch | /both/d ? | 18:25 |
| * stickster punches jsmith | 18:25 | |
| jsmith | Ouch! | 18:25 |
| jsmith | stickster: I said "almost" | 18:25 |
| stickster | Did I mention pugnacious? | 18:25 |
| stickster | <eof> | 18:25 |
| mizmo | vainglorious? | 18:25 |
| mdomsch | I think it flows fine w/o the word 'both' in there | 18:25 |
| mizmo | vociferous | 18:25 |
| rdieter | mizmo for the win | 18:26 |
| mizmo | supercajifragilisticexpialladocious | 18:26 |
| jds2001 | does anyone have anything else???? | 18:26 |
| jsmith | OK, s/pervasive/widespread/ and s/ both// | 18:26 |
| rdieter | mdomsch: good catch, I agree | 18:26 |
| jsmith | (Are we under 140 chars yet?) | 18:27 |
| rdieter | one more step towards tweetability | 18:27 |
| mizmo | "The Fedora Project creates a world in which free and open culture is welcoming and widespread, collaboration and outreach are the norm, and people are empowered to control their own content and devices." | 18:27 |
| mizmo | 62 characters over | 18:27 |
| mdomsch | can we tighten up the second clause? | 18:28 |
| rdieter | still way over | 18:28 |
| stickster | #idea strike "and outreach are" and replace with "is" | 18:28 |
| jsmith | mdomsch: We accept patches :-) How would you suggest we tighten it up? | 18:28 |
| mizmo | this is only 33 over "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming and widespread, collaboration and outreach are the norm, and people control their own content and devices." | 18:28 |
| jds2001 | s/are empowered to// | 18:28 |
| stickster | #idea strike "are empowered to" | 18:28 |
| walters | what was the rationale for "and outreach"? | 18:28 |
| ctyler | Concise is one thing, terse is another; not sure twitter is the right ruler to measure by. | 18:28 |
| stickster | jds2001: +1 | 18:28 |
| jsmith | mdomsch: That was the original idea, until we talked about it on Monday" | 18:28 |
| rdieter | outread => attract new users | 18:28 |
| mdomsch | outreach being an active verb | 18:28 |
| rdieter | outreach... | 18:29 |
| mizmo | is outreach redundant with welcoming | 18:29 |
| stickster | mizmo: +1 | 18:29 |
| mizmo | this is 19 over "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming and widespread, collaboration is the norm, and people control their own content and devices." | 18:29 |
| walters | i like that one better | 18:29 |
| mizmo | hehe this is 17 over "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming & widespread, collaboration is the norm, and people control their own content and devices." | 18:29 |
| mizmo | & <= ftw! | 18:29 |
| walters | heh, that's cheating | 18:30 |
| stickster | haha | 18:30 |
| ctyler | s/own// ? | 18:30 |
| mizmo | 13 over "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming & widespread, collaboration is the norm, and people control their content and devices." | 18:30 |
| rdieter | I personally would prefer including outreach and drop welcoming, but that doesn't help us much size-wise, and I won't push it if I'm the only one that feels that way | 18:30 |
| mizmo | but! twin w's! | 18:30 |
| mizmo | ww | 18:30 |
| jsmith | I'd rather have something that's better worded and slightly over the limit, rather than 140 characters and too vague. | 18:30 |
| ctyler | rdieter: +1 | 18:30 |
| mdomsch | jsmith: +1 | 18:30 |
| mizmo | i think welcoming is more people-centric though | 18:31 |
| mizmo | you can outreach to things that aren't people | 18:31 |
| ctyler | jsmith: Agreed, clarity over twitter | 18:31 |
| jds2001 | jsmith: +1, but we should come up with a "twitter version" | 18:31 |
| mdomsch | rdieter: +1 | 18:31 |
| mizmo | and outreach's meaning is sometimes for 'beating others' | 18:31 |
| mizmo | 13 over is close enough no | 18:31 |
| rdieter | seems odd to have to say the open/free culture is welcoming ... to me that's almost 'by definition' | 18:31 |
| mizmo | rdieter, one would think! did you see the blog post i made today heh | 18:31 |
| mdomsch | well, there's the active verb outreach, and there's the (IMHO more) passive verb welcoming | 18:31 |
| ctyler | rdieter: should be but isn't necessarily | 18:31 |
| stickster | mizmo: why welcome wordiness? words wound when wielded... uh, wecklessly | 18:31 |
| jsmith | !Fedora hearts !FIAF, collaboration, and peeps in control | 18:31 |
| rdieter | mizmo: yeah (awesome by the way), ok, that's a different line of thinking than what I had in mind... but if that's what it takes to cover the bases, I'm fine with it | 18:32 |
| mizmo | http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/drawings/cookies/um-how.png | 18:32 |
| * ctyler still reads !Fedora as "not Fedora" | 18:32 | |
| mdomsch | I'd say we've been welcoming, but haven't done as much outreach - and part of the goal is to get more active on outreach | 18:32 |
| mizmo | that diagram | 18:32 |
| mizmo | includes "outreach" but does not include "welcoming" http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/drawings/cookies/um-how.png | 18:32 |
| mizmo | stickster, whoah, way! | 18:33 |
| stickster | mizmo: You win the cookie | 18:33 |
| mdomsch | doh | 18:33 |
| mizmo | mdomsch, i kinda think the opposite | 18:33 |
| stickster | rdieter: You make a good point. free/open culture == "collaboration". | 18:33 |
| mizmo | http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/drawings/cookies/istuff.png <= welcoming | 18:33 |
| ctyler | stickster: but it's worth reiterating, imho | 18:33 |
| stickster | What's currently the accepted version again? | 18:34 |
| jsmith | There's more to open/free culture than just collaboration | 18:34 |
| jsmith | (we're more than just crowdsourcing) | 18:34 |
| mizmo | pre-twitterification | 18:34 |
| mizmo | " "The Fedora Project creates a world in which free and open culture is welcoming and widespread, collaboration and outreach are the norm, and people are empowered to control their own content and devices."" | 18:34 |
| mizmo | that's 60+ chars over | 18:34 |
| ctyler | Enough with the 'wc -c' already :-) | 18:35 |
| stickster | jsmith: Yeah, I should have said "contains" not "==" | 18:35 |
| stickster | In any case... | 18:35 |
| mizmo | i think the length is a good indicator of its simplicity or lack thereof *shrug* | 18:35 |
| ctyler | Actually, I think there's a lot of open that is not welcoming or collaborative. It may be broken open, but it's still out there. I think we want to fix that. | 18:36 |
| stickster | The pre-twitter version seems pretty good to me. | 18:36 |
| mizmo | a swap on the shortest-form: "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming & widespread, outreach is the norm, and people control their content and devices." | 18:36 |
| mdomsch | I concede mizmo's point on outreach, would be open to s/ and outreach are/ is/ | 18:36 |
| jsmith | "outreach is the norm" doesn't work for me | 18:37 |
| mizmo | a swap on the shortest-form: "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming & widespread, collaboration is the norm, and people control their content and devices." | 18:37 |
| mizmo | (swap back) | 18:37 |
| jsmith | I want both collaboration and outreach | 18:37 |
| mdomsch | jsmith: you don't like "is the norm" ? | 18:38 |
| mdomsch | I'm having a hard time with that phrase | 18:38 |
| mizmo | yeh is the norm of what | 18:38 |
| jsmith | that collaboration and outreach are the norm, rather than being an odd way of doing things | 18:39 |
| mizmo | a swap on the shortest-form: "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming & widespread, collaboration is commonplace, and people control their content and devices." | 18:39 |
| mizmo | ww! cc! wee | 18:39 |
| mdomsch | to me, outreach becomes the natural result of enthusiasm | 18:39 |
| jsmith | Right now, people still look at me funny when I try to explain that we get lots of people to collaborate on building free software | 18:39 |
| mdomsch | exciting even | 18:40 |
| mdomsch | how can we add excitement? | 18:40 |
| stickster | mizmo: I like that | 18:40 |
| jds2001 | mizmo: +1 | 18:40 |
| mizmo | mdomsch, add excitement to the statement? | 18:40 |
| stickster | mizmo: 'an exciting world'? | 18:41 |
| jsmith | "The Fedora project creates a world where free culture is welcoming, widespread, collaborative, enthusiastic." | 18:41 |
| mdomsch | mizmo: yeah, somehow; the sense, at least, that what we're creating is an exciting world, rather than simply a world of drudgery that we have to advertise to get people interested in | 18:41 |
| jds2001 | who's to say the world is exciting? | 18:41 |
| mizmo | well i mean | 18:41 |
| mizmo | i think making it exciting is all in the treatment | 18:41 |
| ctyler | pervasive and norm mean that it's *the* way things are done; widespread doesn't seem to convey that. Is there a simple, stronger alternative to widespread? | 18:41 |
| mizmo | you take that statement, lay it out nice and cleanly, have photos and illustrations showing what it can do, will generate a lot more excitement than any turn of phrase imho | 18:41 |
| stickster | ctyler: "free culture welcomes people everywhere" | 18:41 |
| mizmo | but then again im a designer :) | 18:41 |
| * jsmith still likes pervasive, but it's too highbrow it seems | 18:42 | |
| mdomsch | indeed | 18:42 |
| stickster | jsmith: Put away your monocle, thanks | 18:42 |
| stickster | Mr. Peanut | 18:42 |
| ctyler | s/people everywhere/everyone/ ? | 18:42 |
| mizmo | we be simple folk | 18:42 |
| mizmo | yessum | 18:42 |
| * stickster and jsmith are laughing here but you can't hear us. All in good fun! | 18:42 | |
| ctyler | simple folk eating peanut butter :-) | 18:43 |
| mizmo | ungh ungh | 18:43 |
| ctyler | collaboratively making sandwiches | 18:43 |
| jsmith | OK folks... we're about 45 minutes in... are we making progress, or just going 'round in circles? | 18:43 |
| mizmo | "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming & widespread, collaboration is commonplace, and people control their content and devices." ? | 18:43 |
| jsmith | "The Fedora Board creates a world where people work collaboratively, but finally agree on a vision statement." | 18:43 |
| jds2001 | : | 18:43 |
| stickster | touche! | 18:43 |
| jds2001 | :) | 18:44 |
| mdomsch | doh | 18:44 |
| stickster | mizmo: fwiw, I think that vision statement is fairly concise and also kind of elegant. | 18:44 |
| stickster | Might be a case of perfect being the enemy of the good :-) | 18:44 |
| rdieter | mizmo: I like that, a good improvement | 18:45 |
| mdomsch | worksforme | 18:45 |
| jsmith | Aye... I don't think we're anywhere close to "good vs. bad" here... simply "good, better, best" | 18:45 |
| * stickster does think strike the '&' for 'and' thought | 18:45 | |
| stickster | *though | 18:45 |
| * jsmith agrees w/ stickster on that one | 18:45 | |
| mizmo | its only 15 over | 18:45 |
| ctyler | stickster++ | 18:45 |
| * jds2001 too | 18:45 | |
| mizmo | what! no & | 18:45 |
| mizmo | hehe | 18:45 |
| mizmo | jk | 18:46 |
| stickster | mizmo: I think we should use ♥ to test all utf16 delivery mechanisms | 18:46 |
| rdieter | I suppose we could nix the "The Fedora Project creates a world where ..." part at times to make it tweetable | 18:46 |
| rdieter | the stuff after that is the juicy part | 18:46 |
| stickster | rdieter: Precisely. "Our vision: ____" | 18:46 |
| mdomsch | rdieter: Fedora: where free culture... | 18:46 |
| rdieter | mdomsch: ooh. neat. | 18:47 |
| mizmo | "The Fedora Project creates a world where: | 18:47 |
| mizmo | * free culture is welcoming and widespread | 18:47 |
| mizmo | * collaboration is commonplace | 18:47 |
| mizmo | * people control their content and devices | 18:47 |
| mizmo | (just to see how it looks bulleted) | 18:47 |
| * jsmith likes it | 18:47 | |
| mdomsch | FedoraWorld: where... | 18:47 |
| stickster | mdomsch: nice ;-) | 18:48 |
| mizmo | #fedora: where... weeheehee | 18:48 |
| ctyler | Looks good. | 18:48 |
| * jds2001 likes | 18:48 | |
| stickster | See, we can all be Gustave Flaubert for a day ;-) | 18:48 |
| jsmith | I say we get the vision statement nailed down, then work on the identi.ca version | 18:48 |
| rdieter | jsmith: good call, yes | 18:49 |
| mdomsch | we need a 'c' word for devices | 18:49 |
| jsmith | It's ten minutes before the hour. | 18:49 |
| mdomsch | carryons, ... | 18:49 |
| jsmith | or "data" instead of "content" | 18:49 |
| mdomsch | ah yes | 18:49 |
| jsmith | (althought content > data) | 18:49 |
| mizmo | content and computing devices | 18:50 |
| mizmo | hehe | 18:50 |
| rdieter | haven't had much non-board feedback or comment (outside of stickster, but he doesn't count). people's, we need to hear what you think. | 18:50 |
| stickster | rdieter: Hey, that's darn rude ;-) | 18:50 |
| rdieter | stickster: you're pratically still a board member... feel better/ | 18:51 |
| rdieter | ? | 18:51 |
| jsmith | #info Now's your chance to have your say! | 18:51 |
| * stickster totally wants to hear from other peeps and is just here to serve the pretzels and pour the beverages | 18:51 | |
| * rdieter snags some munchies | 18:51 | |
| ctyler | U U U U
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18:51 |
| jsmith | stickster: Do you have any of those jalepeño pretzels, with some cheese sauce, and a tall lemonade? | 18:51 |
| * jds2001 orders beer | 18:52 | |
| jsmith | OK, let's try to wrap up on time here | 18:53 |
| jsmith | Are we all in agreement on the latest version? | 18:54 |
| rdieter | yes | 18:54 |
| jds2001 | yep | 18:54 |
| jds2001 | watch the mailing list this weekend, quick vote on Monday :) | 18:54 |
| jsmith | Works for me. | 18:55 |
| mdomsch | yep | 18:55 |
| ctyler | yes | 18:56 |
| jsmith | Any objections? | 18:57 |
| mizmo | none here | 18:58 |
| mizmo | 1 | 18:58 |
| mizmo | yay | 18:58 |
| mizmo | can we have a party after the vote | 18:58 |
| rdieter | party++ | 18:58 |
| jsmith | mizmo: You bring the donuts, and I'll bring the milk | 18:58 |
| mizmo | woo | 18:59 |
| jsmith | #agreed "The Fedora Project creates a world where free culture is welcoming and widespread, collaboration is commonplace, and people control their content and devices." | 18:59 |
| smooge | oh wait | 18:59 |
| smooge | crap | 18:59 |
| * jsmith waits | 18:59 | |
| smooge | the meeting is over isnt it | 18:59 |
| jsmith | smooge: Nope... just "almost" over | 19:00 |
| jsmith | smooge: We're still taking input... what's up? | 19:00 |
| smooge | ok I am here. I have no input.. but as a board member I should be here for the vote correct | 19:00 |
| jds2001 | jsmith: i was thinking something more than donuts and milk :D | 19:00 |
| jsmith | (we can undo the #agreed if you're not in agreement) | 19:00 |
| jsmith | smooge: The official vote is on Monday | 19:00 |
| smooge | oh ok | 19:01 |
| smooge | I have nothing I can say at the moment. | 19:01 |
| jsmith | smooge: If you have something between now and Monday, bring it up on the mailing list, please. | 19:01 |
| stickster | jsmith: So once this is in place, what happens then? | 19:02 |
| jsmith | stickster: Well, it's part of my "master plan" | 19:02 |
| * rdieter thought party was next (sorry, couldn't help it) | 19:02 | |
| jsmith | Now that you brought it up, I'll have to share my secret plan! | 19:02 |
| * ctyler thought so too | 19:02 | |
| jsmith | First of all, make sure that the Board is doing things according to that vision. | 19:03 |
| jsmith | Second, take the vision to the other groups (FAMSCo, FESCo, SIGs, etc.), and make sure they're on board | 19:03 |
| jsmith | (Not that I think they won't be, but we owe them the courtesy) | 19:03 |
| ctyler | Third, Profit! (oops, old Slashdot habit there) | 19:04 |
| jsmith | From then, I'd like to take a step back and take a holistic look at Fedora (the distro) through the lens of this vision. | 19:04 |
| jsmith | Start talking about things we can do to the bits and bytes to make sure they are in line with the vision. | 19:04 |
| jsmith | Obviously, there are parts of the vision statement that pertain more to the community at large than to the bits and bytes | 19:05 |
| jsmith | and we've got some work to do there | 19:05 |
| jsmith | rdieter is working on a charter for a Community Working Group, for example, to explore how we can work better as a community | 19:05 |
| stickster | So that example would address the "welcoming" portion of the vision. I get it. | 19:06 |
| jsmith | Aye :-) | 19:06 |
| mizmo | i think we should work with openhatch too in order to welcome new contributors | 19:06 |
| jds2001 | OPENHATCH? | 19:07 |
| jds2001 | oops | 19:07 |
| mizmo | hehe | 19:07 |
| jsmith | openhatch is one example of a group we can work with... there are probably dozens of others | 19:07 |
| mizmo | http://openhatch.org/ | 19:07 |
| jsmith | jds2001: CAPS LOCK FRIDAY! | 19:07 |
| ctyler | http://openhatch.org/ | 19:07 |
| * stickster thinks that the question wasn't just for himself but for people who are watching this meeting but can't necessarily be here. Thanks for talking about the next steps! | 19:07 | |
| mizmo | asheesh and dpic are looking at implementing the fedora design team bounty system on there, for any project | 19:08 |
| jds2001 | nice! | 19:08 |
| jsmith | OK, anything else? | 19:09 |
| smooge | I am ok with things.. | 19:09 |
| jsmith | Shall we wrap things up for now? | 19:09 |
| jsmith | #topic Any other business | 19:09 |
| jsmith | Going once... | 19:10 |
| jsmith | Going twice... | 19:10 |
| jsmith | Sold to the bidder on the back row with the funny hat! | 19:11 |
| stickster | hey now | 19:11 |
| jsmith | Thanks again everyone for your feedback and hard work. I really appreciate it. | 19:11 |
| jsmith | #endmeeting | 19:11 |
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