| quaid
| <meeting id="Docs team">
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| * stickster here
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| * Sparks is present
| 14:02
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| * ke4qqq here
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg --
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| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_21_January_2008 -- calling of the role
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| * danielsmw will be more actine in 20-25 minutes.
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| * jjmcd is here
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| * quaid gives danielsmw some treatment options for his actine
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| danielsmw
| s/ine/ive
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg --
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| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_21_January_2008 -- Status on release notes for F11 : lead and
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| beats
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| quaid
| ke4qqq: you want to talk about doc lead?
| 14:05
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| ke4qqq
| we are looking for a lead for relnotes
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| ke4qqq
| decent organizational skills and preferably some experience in cat herding
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| stickster
| There was a nibble from someone the other day, wasn't there?
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| ke4qqq
| we've had a few
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| ke4qqq
| no one who has wanted to jump in front of the bus yet though
| 14:06
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| jjmcd
| Isn't it more like under the bus
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| ke4qqq
| jjmcd: that isn't until after release
| 14:07
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| stickster
| When is the cutoff for a lead, and/or do we need a contingency plan for that possibility?
| 14:07
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| ke4qqq
| FUDcon technically
| 14:08
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| ke4qqq
| we should have a contingency plan methinks
| 14:08
|
| * jsmith sneaks in late
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Push comes to shove, I'll do it.
| 14:08
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| stickster
| I think the handoff is not as hard as people think
| 14:09
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| Sparks
| The beat writers from F10 have already been emailed with a request to update their Beat assignments and I've already started to see some
| 14:09
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| activity on the page.
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| quaid
| we also need some "lieutenants", in that the work always seems to require lots of hands closer we ge
| 14:09
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| * ke4qqq shoves Sparks
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| stickster
| Yes, it shouldn't all fall on one person
| 14:09
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| ke4qqq
| is that enough?
| 14:09
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| quaid
| ha!
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| jjmcd
| stickster: The whole conversion thing is still a total mystery to a lot of us -- kinda scary
| 14:10
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| quaid
| how about this ....
| 14:10
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| quaid
| what if Sparks takes lead for _just_ F11
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| quaid
| and jjmcd and others who might be interested
| 14:10
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| quaid
| commit to a Lt. role
| 14:10
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| quaid
| and we rotate for F12
| 14:10
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| stickster
| It's really not a mystery, I think quaid has already made up notes on how to do each page
| 14:10
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| quaid
| ?
| 14:10
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| Sparks
| quaid: Can we make it a mandatory rotation? :)
| 14:10
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| stickster
| Sparks: That's not a bad idea
| 14:10
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| * herlo is here today
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| quaid
| Sparks: +10
| 14:10
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| * jsmith agrees to be a "Wiki to DocBook leftenant"
| 14:10
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| * Sparks declares jsmith next.
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| jjmcd
| Sparks: If you/Paul are willing to agree to a little conversion mentoring, I'll step up for 12
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Works for me
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| stickster
| Honestly, the only thing that makes things difficult at all is the transclusion people are using on the wiki pages. I think we should do
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| away with all transclusions because they're too confusing to deal with.
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| ke4qqq
| outstanding!
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| stickster
| If we just have N number of flat pages, the conversion is a really simple (if slightly laborious) process.
| 14:11
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| stickster
| If we just have N number of flat pages, the conversion is a really simple (if slightly laborious) process.
| 14:11
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| stickster
| oops, sorry
| 14:11
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| Sparks
| The page is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats, by the way.
| 14:12
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| Sparks
| If the beat writer doesn't have a * next to their name that means they've accepted their beat for F11
| 14:12
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| stickster
| jjmcd: I'm willing to do that meeting, btw
| 14:13
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| stickster
| Have the beats now been scrubbed?
| 14:13
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| stickster
| Archived, or however we intend to put the old content away?
| 14:13
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| Sparks
| stickster: The scrubbing is in progress
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| Sparks
| stickster: quaid said archiving past information was not necessary in most cases.
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| Sparks
| I'm pretty sure all I did was reset the table and change F10 to F11 where applicable
| 14:14
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| quaid
| it is page renaming that has to happen next :)
| 14:15
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| quaid
| each beat needs to be assessed, either scrubbed clean or left with some content, depending on each case.
| 14:15
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| stickster
| IYAM we should do page renaming, strip out all the content, remove transclusions, and start fresh.
| 14:15
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| stickster
| +1 quaid, that some pages might need to retain some content.
| 14:15
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| stickster
| Good clarifications.
| 14:15
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| stickster
| But keep in mind that the page history holds on to the old content so we should not be timid about getting rid of material.
| 14:16
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| quaid
| right
| 14:16
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| stickster
| It's time for some bold moves here.
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| stickster
| To me, the most important questions are, (1) is it clear to the community where and how they can write content into beats? and (2) is the
| 14:17
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| process of producing the release notes as easy as possible for the people trying now to shoulder that work?
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| Sparks
| Is it possible to have a template for all the beats to work off of?
| 14:17
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| quaid
| on the first one ...
| 14:17
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| quaid
| I think we need the pages renamed and categorized first
| 14:17
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| quaid
| then we publicize like crazy
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| stickster
| Sparks: Probably not, because there are subdivisions that are going to be particular to each beat's subject matter... just my opinion
| 14:17
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| quaid
| as for 2 ...
| 14:18
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| Sparks
| I noticed that the Feature pages have a template with embedded notes on completing the form. That would make it real easy.
| 14:18
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| stickster
| quaid: Clarification, renamed, categorized, and flattened (removing transclusions)
| 14:18
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| quaid
| it could be easier, and we have time to work on that before we need it to be easier.
| 14:18
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| quaid
| harveybetty was working on that, for example
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| stickster
| Sparks: But the factors people have to document in that process are set and well-bounded, which is not true about release notes.
| 14:18
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| Sparks
| Okay
| 14:19
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| jjmcd
| It would be good, though, if we could somehow push the RNs toward being a little more even, maybe a template would help but I'm a little from
| 14:19
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| Missouri on that
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| stickster
| Sparks: In some cases, the contributor need to provide a command for a temporary workaround. In others, they need to explain a new
| 14:19
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| feature that's superseded an old one. Or indicating a deprecation... it's pretty wide-open
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| Sparks
| So give them a sandbox and let them go.
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| stickster
| Sparks: Yup, all we need to provide is "Please start your section with an == h2 == and go to town"
| 14:20
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| quaid
| yeah
| 14:20
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| Sparks
| stickster: Okay, well we can do that.
| 14:20
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| quaid
| that might be enough of a template :)
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| Sparks
| Okay, I'll look at that this evening and see what needs to be done.
| 14:21
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| ke4qqq
| can we offload all of the feature stuff to the owners (or their delegates) and remove that from our plate altogether?
| 14:21
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| Sparks
| We can also change the page names at the same time and get them in the proper category and such.
| 14:21
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| quaid
| ke4qqq: I fear we'll not see the content then
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| quaid
| ke4qqq: in reality, we do already to an important degree
| 14:22
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| quaid
| ke4qqq: the feature pages have a relese notes section they need to fill out
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| quaid
| we just have to suck that in
| 14:22
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| ke4qqq
| surely the feature owners want their feature covered....if not - perhaps we don't cover it.
| 14:22
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| ke4qqq
| ahhhh
| 14:22
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| ke4qqq
| that's a bit easier
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| jjmcd
| The problem, of course, is that "features" cover maybe 10% of the changes
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| jjmcd
| Although maybe my perception is colored by having worked on devtools
| 14:23
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| quaid
| no, it's true
| 14:23
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| Sparks
| Okay, so let's set up the pages with proper names, put all the pages in the proper category, and link those pages onto the main page and
| 14:23
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| start advertising.
|
| quaid
| features are only highlighted groupings of changes
| 14:23
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| quaid
| but we cannot expect to get all changes in a release notes set
| 14:24
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| quaid
| Sparks: +1
| 14:24
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| jjmcd
| Although for developers, even minor changes can be pretty important
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| Sparks
| quaid: I can get those pages setup this evening. Shouldn't take long. Then we'll be ready.
| 14:25
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| * danielsmw has upgraded from an ipod to a laptop, and can now participate.
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| quaid
| ok, ready to move on from release notes?
| 14:25
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| Sparks
| +1
| 14:25
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| stickster
| bam! pow!
| 14:25
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| ke4qqq
| +1
| 14:25
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| jsmith
| +0.98 (after inflation)
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| herlo
| +1
| 14:26
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| jjmcd
| lets go
| 14:26
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| * herlo points out that jsmith's version of inflation shows him having less money rather than the prices going up :)
| 14:26
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| jsmith
| herlo: Well, it depends on whether you're a spender or a saver :-p
| 14:27
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: docs mtg -- meeting time change proposal
| 14:27
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| * jsmith mumbles "meetings are *never* convenient"
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| quaid
| true dat
| 14:27
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| herlo
| it seems everyone is trying to change meeting times
| 14:27
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| quaid
| but this current time was made by a bunch of people who are mainly no longer here :)
| 14:27
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| * jds2001 urges docs not to change to Friday's at 2PM :D
| 14:27
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| quaid
| heh
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| Sparks
| So I'm thinking Friday at... 2?
| 14:28
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| jds2001
| lol
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| jjmcd
| Would Friday at 4 be better?
| 14:28
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| quaid
| Sparks: one thing is, I think we cannot *fix* a new time until we have a new steering committee to fix it for
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| herlo
| +1
| 14:28
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| jds2001
| unless you want FESCo clash :D
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| herlo
| okay not really ^^
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| Sparks
| quaid: True
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| ke4qqq
| FDSCo v. FESCo - on pay per view?
| 14:28
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| jsmith
| ke4qqq: But if we win, do we have to wear silly belts with belt-buckles the size of dinner plates?
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| Sparks
| Just think about moving the meeting for a future discussion.
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| ke4qqq
| jsmith: no just larger gold-encrusted pocket protectors
| 14:29
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| quaid
| ok, so we're not against a new meeting time, per se, right?
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| Sparks
| +1
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| jsmith
| +1
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| stickster
| Not against, +1
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| jjmcd
| +1
| 14:30
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| stickster
| We can again use that standard wiki matrix to fix a time
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| Sparks
| stickster: Already got something in the works although quaid might have a better solution.
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| quaid
| no you got the right thing
| 14:32
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| quaid
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix
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| quaid
| Sparks made that and we can start populating it
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| stickster
| awesome.
| 14:33
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| quaid
| we can choose to later weed out anyone who is not on a steering committee, although I think getting the widest group regardless is the goal
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| Sparks
| yes
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| quaid
| ok, then ...
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| quaid
| anything else on this 'un?
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| Sparks
| nope
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: docs mtg -- leadership (re)fresh
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| quaid
| anyone not read my email to the list?
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| quaid
| if you have ... any reason you haven't commented on it? ;-D
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| jjmcd
| which email to which list?
| 14:34
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| quaid
| jjmcd: "Leadership (re)fresh" to f-docs-l
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| jjmcd
| ahhhhh
| 14:34
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| * Sparks commented on it
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| quaid
| http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00109.html
| 14:35
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| * jjmcd wondered whether it was moot if there weren't candidates still
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| quaid
| oh, interesting viewpoint
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| quaid
| I think we have at least a half-dozen people who have clearly showed leadership ability/skills and could be the Chair
| 14:36
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| quaid
| and that means at least that many who could be steering
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| quaid
| in fact, many of you _are_ steering without the formal recognition.
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| jjmcd
| Certainly if we can have a meaningful election that is the best course
| 14:37
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| quaid
| we have to be honest -- voter turnout may still suck
| 14:37
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| ke4qqq
| voter turnout in general does
| 14:37
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| jjmcd
| Perhaps we could lock up the swamp water supplier
| 14:37
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| jsmith
| Even if voter turnout is low... it's better to at least go through the motions of having an election
| 14:38
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| jjmcd
| We seem to have a lot of marketing issues - I wonder if we can identify some new outlets
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| jjmcd
| Roger that jsmith
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| ke4qqq
| I don't think there is really any alternative
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: That should be the first thing the new chair does.
| 14:39
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| quaid
| yeah, we need elections regardless of voter turnout :)
| 14:40
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| stickster
| I'm not for a steering committee, as much as I am for an accountable Docs leader.
| 14:41
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| * stickster sent overdue response to list
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| ke4qqq
| stickster: will you explain why?
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| ke4qqq
| or should I read that in your email?
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| stickster
| ke4qqq: Either way is fine! :-)
| 14:42
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| stickster
| I simply think that our core group that participates on a regular basis are the obvious choices for a steering committee.
| 14:42
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| stickster
| The number of votes is likely to be very small.
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| quaid
| hmm
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| quaid
| we could elect a leader who appoints a steering committee?
| 14:42
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| Sparks
| How many in the committee?
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| stickster
| I think there's no point in appointments, when the choices could just as easily be "Would you help me by being responsible for Task X?".
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| ke4qqq
| at the same time, what SPOF does that introduce??
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| Sparks
| I don't think we need more than a handful of people.
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| ke4qqq
| I tend to agree with that logic
| 14:43
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| ke4qqq
| but understand there is arequirement for us to have some elected leadership
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| stickster
| Yes, there should be someone leading the Docs team, to be certain. I compare this to the Artwork team or the BugZappers, where there is
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| no SCo, but plenty is getting done.
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| stickster
| FESCo on the other hand is in charge of an exceptionally large slice of strategy.
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| Sparks
| What is the election requirement? Just a leader or what?
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| stickster
| Consensus is good enough in this case, as long as it's obtained through the list and not just the people who showed up here for the IRC
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| meeting.
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| stickster
| Again, this is all my opinion as a Docs contributor.
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| jjmcd
| I wonder how many nascent leaders are out there on the list but don't join the meetings because IRC is too old-fashioned, or too-geeky or
| 14:45
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| whatever
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| quaid
| it's fair view, though
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| stickster
| I'm perfectly willing to be shouted down if a lot of people disagree.
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| quaid
| we did steering committee back then because that was the best way
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| quaid
| things have evolved in the overall project, here too
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| stickster
| (or even a few people, for that matter)
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| quaid
| the main reason
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| stickster
| quaid: Right.
| 14:45
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| quaid
| for a steering committee formality
| 14:45
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| quaid
| is to give people "authority" to speak "for docs"
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| quaid
| and I think we have shown that people don't need that title to speak authoritatively
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| stickster
| I agree with that. The point of a meritocracy is that the authority comes from experience and accomplishment.
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| quaid
| otoh, the "one leader" does benefit from the title.
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| stickster
| Except in my case, where someone was fool enough to hire me instead.
| 14:46
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| quaid
| cf. ianweller before and after "wiki czar" title -- he sounds more authoritative, etc.
| 14:46
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| quaid
| (IMO)
| 14:47
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| * jsmith adds to what quaid just said, by saying "... and then jsmith joined the steering committee, and it went to pot"
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| jjmcd
| yeah, good point. To a degree, doesn't the doc lead do that
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| quaid
| stickster: actually, not to belabor, but I think your hiring was a perfect example of meritocracy in action
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| stickster
| Right, and Ian got that title through consensus and the recognition that he was putting a lot of energy into making the wiki better.
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| stickster
| quaid: Stop with the flattery! (your check's in the mail though)
| 14:47
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| quaid
| hmmm ... good stuff this
| 14:48
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| quaid
| so where to next?
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| stickster
| So again, my point is just that as long as Docs has an accountable leader, selected by consensus of people who participate in the work, I
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| think the potential is to create less of an artificial barrier between "we who decide" and "we who do li'l tasks"
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| quaid
| stickster: so you are saying consensus is ok rather than hold an election?
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| stickster
| Yes.
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| * quaid is concerned about how we do that and draw the line, etc.
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| jjmcd
| Concensus can be kind of mushy
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| ke4qqq
| stickster: is that ok with the sub-project guidelines
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| ke4qqq
| I though election was a must?
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| stickster
| ke4qqq: I'm talking specifically about *not* continuing as a subproject
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| stickster
| Oops, scratch that.
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| stickster
| That was the mistaken thought I had in the shower
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| stickster
| this morning... then I realized I was thinking about it the wrong way.
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| stickster
| A subproject has to have clear governance. Not "this particular governance model X."
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| jjmcd
| Are there other distros that do docs better that we can learn from?
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| stickster
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Defining_projects#Fedora_Projects
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| quaid
| jjmcd: heh, yeah, RHEL, but I don't want to learn from that model :)
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| stickster
| jjmcd: A question asked since time immemorial... we should constantly be looking at other projects and learning something (good or bad)
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| from them
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| jjmcd
| Admittedly, I haven't looked very hard
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| * stickster has a hard stop in a few minutes, so I'm shutting up now
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| * stickster waits for the market to devalue his $0.02
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| quaid
| ok, so the deal is ...
| 14:52
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| quaid
| we have a current suspension of the existing Docs rules
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| quaid
| Docs defined for itself how to fulfill the governance requirement.
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| -!- stickster is now known as stickster_mtg
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| quaid
| we are free to decide how to proceed, within the guidelines of having a clear governance for the rest of the world to see.
| 14:53
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| quaid
| what I'd like to do ...
| 14:53
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| quaid
| is decide _on_list_ how to proceed:
| 14:53
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| quaid
| * elections or no
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| quaid
| * steering or no
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| quaid
| * sig or sub-proj
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| quaid
| etc.
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| quaid
| does that make sense?
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| Sparks
| +1
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| jjmcd
| Yes, let's suck in some other voices
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| Sparks
| quaid: I think you already asked those questions in your email to the list. Maybe a poke to the community would help get some responses.
| 14:54
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| jjmcd
| This clear enumeration of the issues is helpful
| 14:55
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| quaid
| can someone else ..
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| quaid
| take a stab at explaining this via the list?
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| ke4qqq
| lets just say if there are no objections we are appointing Jono Bacon head of the docs project......would that get a response? that said I
| 14:55
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| like the clear delination - though I think the no answers are messier than no - because then something else must be defined
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| Sparks
| quaid: On it
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| quaid
| Sparks: thx
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Who is going to say that?
| 14:57
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| quaid
| ok, time runneth short
| 14:58
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| ke4qqq
| you can - didn't you say you were on it?
| 14:58
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| quaid
| I think we have what we need on this topic, yes?
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| Sparks
| +1
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| ke4qqq
| yes
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| jjmcd
| yep
| 14:58
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: docs mtg - cms update real quick like
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| quaid
| two voices so far:
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| quaid
| King_InuYasha has been talking with us on list and in IRC
| 14:59
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| quaid
| and danielsmw (iirc) and basil (via list) have expressed interest
| 14:59
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| quaid
| in supporting any PHP solution.
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| danielsmw
| yup.
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| quaid
| (with Drupal up on the list somewhere.)
| 15:00
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| * herlo thinks Drupal is a fine choice if someone knows it well
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| quaid
| herlo: just duck when jsmith and ianweller are in the room,that's all
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| quaid
| the eyeballs popping from forks is pretty gross.
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| jsmith
| herlo: I refuse to use Drupal. If we go with Drupal, I promise not to touch it.
| 15:01
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| * jjmcd doesn't much care for drupal but is all for it if someone is excited about it
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| danielsmw
| i've expressed interest in drupal before
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| quaid
| ok, that's the status :)
| 15:01
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| jsmith
| herlo: Can I be more clear? I'd rather lick a toilet seat than use Drupal for the CMS
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| danielsmw
| but never really for a good reason
| 15:01
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| danielsmw
| so i'm wondering
| 15:01
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| danielsmw
| while we have some people here
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| herlo
| jsmith: start licking
| 15:02
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| danielsmw
| what reasons should we avoid drupal, so that we can add these to a list of characteristics we _should_ look for?
| 15:02
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| quaid
| ok
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| danielsmw
| s/should/shouldn't/
| 15:02
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| quaid
| since we are over our hour ...
| 15:02
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| quaid
| can we take the CMS discussion
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| quaid
| to #fedora-docs
| 15:02
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| danielsmw
| +1
| 15:02
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| quaid
| with the note for the record that ..
| 15:02
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| quaid
| "more discussion on list"
| 15:02
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| jjmcd
| R
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| quaid
| ok then
| 15:02
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| quaid
| R?
| 15:02
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| herlo
| I've stated my preference for WordPress and argue that it's a good CMS, but Drupal can work. I will take this offline, and jsmith, I love
| 15:02
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| you man!
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| jjmcd
| Roger
| 15:02
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| quaid
| cool
| 15:02
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| jsmith
| danielsmw: Security record, security record, and it's a resource hog
| 15:03
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| jsmith
| danielsmw: Also, it doesn't play nicely with PostgreSQL
| 15:03
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| jjmcd
| Pefformance is my main beef
| 15:03
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| quaid
| ok, discussion continues on #fedora-docs s'il vous plait
| 15:03
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| herlo
| moving along?
| 15:03
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| jjmcd
| Oui
| 15:03
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| quaid
| closing I think yes
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| quaid
| 5
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| quaid
| </meeting>
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