| Sparks
| <meeting id="Docs Project">
| Mar 04 19:00
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| Sparks
| Roll Call!
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
| Mar 04 19:00
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| *laubersm is here
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| *danielsmw is here
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| *Sparks is here
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| jjmcd
| est ici
| Mar 04 19:00
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| *radsy here
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| radsy
| i'm awake for this one!
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| Sparks
| radsy: That was one of the reasons for moving the meeting time!
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| *Sparks gives everyone a few more minutes to trickle in
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| here
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| ryanlerch
| sorry for being late...
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| ianweller
| oh hai
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| Sparks
| ryanlerch: Well don't worry about it. You only missed the first three minutes of the meeting...
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| *ianweller is here
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| Sparks
| ... where we discussed putting you in charge of everything
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| jjmcd
| is ke4qqq actually here
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| ryanlerch
| lol
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| Sparks
| Okay, first I'd like to apologize for my absence over the past couple of weeks...
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| *ianweller steals Sparks's gavel and hits the table with it
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| Sparks
| between $DAYJOB and being sick the last few days I haven't been with it.
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| Sparks
| And did I mention that my primary computer did it's biannual X failure?
| Mar 04 19:05
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| Sparks
| enough about all that... on with the show.
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Wiki ticket approval <-- ianweller
| Mar 04 19:05
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| Sparks
| ianweller: You needed guidance?
| Mar 04 19:05
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| ianweller
| oh yes
| Mar 04 19:06
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| ianweller
| .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~FDSCo&order=priority
| Mar 04 19:06
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| zodbot
| ianweller: http://tinyurl.com/ccdbpp
| Mar 04 19:06
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| ianweller
| i'm gonna go down the list real quick
| Mar 04 19:06
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| ianweller
| ticket 2: Packaging mass page rename
| Mar 04 19:06
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| ianweller
| laubersm: what's the status on that?
| Mar 04 19:06
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| laubersm
| ready to go
| Mar 04 19:07
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| Sparks
| Did we get the bot working?
| Mar 04 19:07
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| ianweller
| k i'll see what i can do with wikibot. i may just need to work w/o nigel's patches to pywikipedia bot
| Mar 04 19:07
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| laubersm
| I don't have permission to touch those manually but abadger and spot said go for it
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| ianweller
| laubersm: i don't have permission either :/
| Mar 04 19:07
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| laubersm
| the psv has old name | new name
| Mar 04 19:07
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| ianweller
| which is oddly funny
| Mar 04 19:07
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| ianweller
| anywho moving on
| Mar 04 19:07
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| ianweller
| Docs Project mass rename
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| ianweller
| laubersm: status? :)
| Mar 04 19:08
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| laubersm
| done
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| *ianweller sets as 'fixed'
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| *jjmcd applauds laubersm
| Mar 04 19:08
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| laubersm
| but that one did not cover all the Docs/* and Docs/Drafts pages so we still need a little work on that
| Mar 04 19:08
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| ianweller
| ticket 5: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/5 Help page when a search fails is blank
| Mar 04 19:08
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| ianweller
| laubersm: ok. we'll get to that when it comes
| Mar 04 19:08
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| ianweller
| can i ask someone to take ticket 5 and work on it?
| Mar 04 19:09
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| Sparks
| yes, you can.
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| Sparks
| :)
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| ianweller
| s/ask/force/
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| Sparks
| yes, you can (just not me)
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| *ianweller points at ryanlerch
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| ianweller
| i'll see if i can rope someone into that later. moving on.
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| laubersm
| It is just writing the help page?
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| ianweller
| yeah
| Mar 04 19:10
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| ianweller
| or stealing it from mediawiki.org cuz that is public domain
| Mar 04 19:10
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| ianweller
| whatever, really
| Mar 04 19:10
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| laubersm
| Can a draft be dragged from mediawiki and modified?
| Mar 04 19:10
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| ianweller
| yeah
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| *quaid sticks his head in for a few minutes to watch
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| ianweller
| i can talk about it afterwards
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| ianweller
| moving on: ticket 6 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/6 packagemaintainers mass page rename
| Mar 04 19:10
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| joat
| if you have the proper access, a page can be exported from one wiki and imported into the other
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| ianweller
| laubersm: status report on that? it says 'mostly done'
| Mar 04 19:11
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| laubersm
| done - close
| Mar 04 19:11
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| ianweller
| woo
| Mar 04 19:11
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| ianweller
| ok here's where i actually need opinion votes :)
| Mar 04 19:11
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| ianweller
| https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/7 "Mediawiki:Mainpage title change request"
| Mar 04 19:11
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| ianweller
| it's been requested by stickster_afk to change the name of "Main Page" to something like "Fedora Project Wiki"
| Mar 04 19:12
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| ianweller
| which would consist of moving the main page to that name and then adjusting the Mediawiki:Mainpage variable.
| Mar 04 19:12
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| ianweller
| +1 or -1 plz
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| Sparks
| -1 (just because Paul suggested it)
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| quaid
| there is a reason, too
| Mar 04 19:12
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| quaid
| when you see the front page, right now it says 'Main Page'
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| ianweller
| Sparks: loll
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| quaid
| which is short of helpful
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| jjmcd
| +1
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| quaid
| if it were named Fedora Project Wiki, that would appear as the <h1> on that page.
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| laubersm
| I have no problem with the change.. +1
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| quaid
| so, I am +1
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| danielsmw
| +1
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| Sparks
| +1
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| radsy
| +1
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| ryanlerch
| +!
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| ianweller
| i'm calling it approved by FDSCo.
| Mar 04 19:13
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| ianweller
| last one is ticket 8, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/8 "Watching Categories"
| Mar 04 19:13
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| ianweller
| reported by kanarip. "As per the thread on http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-wiki/2009-February/000138.html, I would like to be able to watch pages being moved from and to Categories. "
| Mar 04 19:14
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| kanarip
| that's me
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| ianweller
| iirc there is an extension to do this but i can't remember it right now.
| Mar 04 19:14
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| ianweller
| is this something we want to put interest in or not
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| Sparks
| So you are watching pages within a category or pages that change categories?
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| quaid
| so this would make it possible to watch Category:Foo and all that happens to pages in the Cat:Foo would be shown? or just show the entrance/exit from a Cat:?
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| kanarip
| Categories that get pages added or removed
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| quaid
| ah, that works for category triggers
| Mar 04 19:15
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| quaid
| which spins and features, for example, use.
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| jjmcd
| If we are relying more on categories, we should have tools to help
| Mar 04 19:15
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| quaid
| that is, actions are spawned by a category being set or removed.
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| *ianweller notes kanarip originally wanted this for spins
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| laubersm
| you can already watch the category for changes to the page itself but it does not tell you when a new page shows up in the cat
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| ianweller
| +1 or -1 plz
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| quaid
| +1
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| laubersm
| That could be useful for a number of groups who are using categories to track progress
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| Sparks
| ianweller: IMO, if it is something that is easily added to the wiki that doesn't create a nightmare for admin and a Fedorian can get some use out of... +1
| Mar 04 19:16
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| ianweller
| this is a vote for looking into it and testing the extension, fyi
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| jjmcd
| How stable/difficult/cranky is this add-in
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| ianweller
| jjmcd: that'd be why i would need to research/test it
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| laubersm
| +1 to researching
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| jjmcd
| +1 for research
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| ianweller
| i don't wanna do that if we're not interested.
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| ianweller
| i'm just querying interest
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| danielsmw
| +1 for R&D
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| ianweller
| ok i've got +5, any more?
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| kanarip
| +1, fwiw
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| kanarip
| ;-)
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| *ianweller takes Sparks's gavel and bangs it again
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| ianweller
| kanarip: he
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| ianweller
| heh*
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| ianweller
| alright /me assigns ticket to self
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| ianweller
| any questions for me? i'm done with the ticket list
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| Sparks
| ianweller: I have a question
| Mar 04 19:18
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| ianweller
| shoot
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| Sparks
| ianweller: You mentioned above you didn't have permission to do something. What permission do you need to do what?
| Mar 04 19:18
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| ianweller
| with the new ACL extension i don't have permission to touch the Packaging: and Legal: pages.
| Mar 04 19:18
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| ianweller
| unless i get put in the appropriate groups
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| Sparks
| ianweller: but they want you to do work for them?
| Mar 04 19:19
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| ianweller
| i assume so :)
| Mar 04 19:19
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| ianweller
| i'll talk to spot about it.
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| ianweller
| i'm almost certain he doesn't want to do it himself
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Well, make sure they know that you need to be added to their groups, even temporarily.
| Mar 04 19:19
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| ianweller
| aye aye
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| laubersm
| Sparks, it would be a one time shot of a bunch of renaming
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| Sparks
| ianweller: I don't know why the wiki czar wouldn't have admin access to everything.
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| ianweller
| odds are i'd put wikibot in the groups, not me
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| ianweller
| unless i was doing it manually
| Mar 04 19:20
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| Sparks
| :)
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| ianweller
| Sparks: i used to with HNP
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| ianweller
| ;)
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| ianweller
| lockdown doesn't have that coded in
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| ianweller
| prolly a good idea, less code == less bugs
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| ianweller
| in general
| Mar 04 19:20
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| Sparks
| true.
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else for ianweller ?
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| *ianweller internally conts to 10
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update <-- ke4qqq
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| ianweller
| \o/
| Mar 04 19:21
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: You here?
| Mar 04 19:21
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| Sparks
| I got a message from someone saying something about the CMS earlier this week but I'm pretty sure I had a fever at that point.
| Mar 04 19:21
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| Sparks
| I'll try to follow up before next week so we'll have a progress report to... report.
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| jjmcd
| someone said he would be asleep by now
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Isn't he in South Carolina?
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| danielsmw
| Yes, unless he's on business
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| jjmcd
| David is, but I think the guy with the comment was in the uj
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| jjmcd
| uk
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| Sparks
| Yes
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| jjmcd
| he said to get q's to him by 2300
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| quaid
| I talked with ... darn, i forget his name
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| jjmcd
| me too
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| Sparks
| Okay, I'll have something before next week
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| quaid
| who is working on the autobuild; I had to install publican on the publictest server
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| quaid
| and from that I pinged ke4qqq and abadger1999 about
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| quaid
| the package dependency
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| quaid
| I'm fairly sure we want the autobuild to happen on a separate server
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| quaid
| that does not have a web facing interface.
| Mar 04 19:23
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| quaid
| http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/publican_rough_dependencies_list-20090301.txt
| Mar 04 19:24
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| quaid
| pulls in qt and stuff, not great for a web server
| Mar 04 19:24
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| quaid
| so that was my recommendation to toshio and david, to make another tier.
| Mar 04 19:24
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| Tsagadai
| quaid, what exactly is the issue with those packages?
| Mar 04 19:25
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| *ianweller is gonna be ignoring IRC for a bit, if you need me back in here call my fedora talk extension
| Mar 04 19:26
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| *laubersm thinks it is Simon
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| quaid
| Tsagadai: ideally a front-facing web server is paired down to a minimun package set that doesn't include X and a graphical desktop
| Mar 04 19:26
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| quaid
| but I think there is another good reason to put the autobuild on a stand-alone box
| Mar 04 19:26
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| quaid
| doesn't publican peg the CPU when working?
| Mar 04 19:26
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| quaid
| we don't want that happening on the same cpu as the CMS.
| Mar 04 19:26
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| Tsagadai
| yes, for about 30 seconds
| Mar 04 19:27
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| Tsagadai
| but it's single threaded (lawl) so that really shouldn't affect a modern web server
| Mar 04 19:27
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| ianweller iarlyy inode0 itamarjp ivazquez ivazquez|laptop ixs
| Mar 04 19:27
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| *Sparks calls ianweller but only gets his voicemail
| Mar 04 19:28
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| Tsagadai
| I think a stand-alone box would be overkill. If the security aspects of having X11 present but off are overwhelming for the admins perhaps they should try virtualization
| Mar 04 19:29
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| quaid
| Tsagadai: I am merely recommending an approach to Infrastructure; you are welcome to make your own recommendation.
| Mar 04 19:29
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| quaid
| Sparks: I'm done with this item, btw
| Mar 04 19:29
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| jjmcd
| X11 is like a huge albatross for a server
| Mar 04 19:29
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| Sparks
| quaid: Okay. TU
| Mar 04 19:29
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| Sparks
| Anything else for the CMS?
| Mar 04 19:30
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| Tsagadai
| jjmcd, but when X11 is not actually running it is no more an issue than just disk space
| Mar 04 19:30
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| ianweller
| hi?
| Mar 04 19:30
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| ianweller
| Sparks: cuz i was out of my room :P
| Mar 04 19:31
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| jjmcd
| Sort of like parking a semi in your driveway to protect your miata from the wind
| Mar 04 19:31
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Wiki pages changes <- an old agenda item. Covered already?
| Mar 04 19:31
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| ianweller
| Sparks: what is 'wiki pages changes'
| Mar 04 19:31
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| Sparks
| ianweller: I don't know. It was an old item. I'm claiming it as being done.
| Mar 04 19:32
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| ianweller
| kill it
| Mar 04 19:32
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| Sparks
| Moving on...
| Mar 04 19:32
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes
| Mar 04 19:32
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| Sparks
| This is ryanlerch and jjmcd's project
| Mar 04 19:32
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| Sparks
| Any updates?
| Mar 04 19:32
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| ryanlerch
| http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/Release_Notes/publish/
| Mar 04 19:32
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| ryanlerch
| the release notes should be in line with what is on the wiki...
| Mar 04 19:33
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| ryanlerch
| going to work with rudi on getting the source merged into the git tree...
| Mar 04 19:33
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| jjmcd
| I am going to move my work page from Jjmcd/Drafts to DevTools which will be a big jump
| Mar 04 19:33
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| jjmcd
| right nw there is a lot of raw data there, but if it's in the open maybe I can draw some help/comments
| Mar 04 19:34
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| jjmcd
| Over 100 dev tools new/changed
| Mar 04 19:34
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| jjmcd
| gcl is making a 4+ year jump, but the project page leaves no clue as to what is happening
| Mar 04 19:34
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| jjmcd
| Jerry James agreed to do some research for me
| Mar 04 19:35
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| jjmcd
| Also, Chitlesh Goorah agreed to provide some data on EDA which we overlooked in F10 RNs
| Mar 04 19:35
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| jjmcd
| Annnd still more
| Mar 04 19:35
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| jjmcd
| I pushed F10 update, marked it LIVE but no joy on d.fp.o
| Mar 04 19:35
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| jjmcd
| Been fighting some hardware failures so havent pursued too aggressively
| Mar 04 19:36
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: That's a quaid thing... (the d.fp.o issue)
| Mar 04 19:36
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| *quaid looks back in
| Mar 04 19:36
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| jjmcd
| Yeah, he helped me get it into git but I haven't grabbed him after it didn't show
| Mar 04 19:36
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| ryanlerch
| There are also lots of OPEN beats, and a lot of assigned beats that need confirmation
| Mar 04 19:36
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| ryanlerch
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats
| Mar 04 19:36
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| jjmcd
| errrr, cvs rather
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| quaid
| yeah, recruiting is probably the most important thing right now
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| quaid
| those beats don't fill themselves :)
| Mar 04 19:37
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| quaid
| jjmcd: I could just do it, but I wanted you to be able to :(
| Mar 04 19:37
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| quaid
| update docs.fp.o that is
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| jjmcd
| quaid: I thought i did what i needed to but no joy
| Mar 04 19:37
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| ryanlerch
| i was thinking of removing all the assignments that are yet to be confirmed and putting them back to OPEN, is that okay?
| Mar 04 19:38
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| jjmcd
| but like i said, i still have some things to discover
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| jjmcd
| On recruiting, I think my posting may have done some good. I noticed a number of new volunteers to l10n a couple days later (lots of phil and indonesians read that forum)
| Mar 04 19:39
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| jjmcd
| but no joy on beat writers \
| Mar 04 19:39
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| ryanlerch
| we also need dev contacts...
| Mar 04 19:39
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Can you post the link to the beats so everyone can take a look to see if there is anything they would like to step up to take?
| Mar 04 19:39
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| ryanlerch
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats
| Mar 04 19:39
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| jjmcd
| Good plan
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| laubersm
| can we put all the beats in a category?
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| jjmcd
| ryanlerch we might need to add a couple of beats back in, but i'm struggling with organization
| Mar 04 19:42
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| ryanlerch
| which beats?
| Mar 04 19:42
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| ryanlerch
| i am happy to keep the orgainisation in the docbook, and treat the beats as drafts of sections...
| Mar 04 19:42
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| jjmcd
| eclipse in, I took it out, and add in Haskell, we have a writer for that. Trouble is, Eclipse fits in with IDSs and Haskell scattered about
| Mar 04 19:42
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| jjmcd
| That may make more sense
| Mar 04 19:43
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| ryanlerch
| it is easier to play with the depth of sections in docbook
| Mar 04 19:43
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| ryanlerch
| once i get the source into git, you can play with it also...
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| jjmcd
| s/IDSs/IDEs/
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| jjmcd
| yeah, hard to sort it in the wiki
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| SgtDitt
| hello all? soory i'm late
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| SgtDitt
| lol, or missed it
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| jjmcd
| No, we're going on about release notes
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| ryanlerch
| IMO, we should pull out the preview thing below the beats assignments, and just have the mockup as the place for people to check the current status of the release notes...
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| jjmcd
| Trouble is you can't make a change and then see it right away
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| jjmcd
| But it would make organizing easier
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| ryanlerch
| but it will still be in the actual beat page...
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| quaid
| the preview could be moved to another page, less distracting, etc.
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| jjmcd
| quaid - the issue is more keeping up the structure in two places
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| ryanlerch
| well, the preview is kinda confusing anyway, because it is such an effort to sort out the sections etc, and so much work.
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| quaid
| oic
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| laubersm
| if they are all in a category then you can see all the pieces lexographically, edit the one you need, then when it gets put together it goes in order....
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| laubersm
| Category:Release Notes Drafts or Category:Documentation Beats whatever...
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| Sparks
| I thought they were in their own category.
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| Sparks
| Ten minutes warning, BTW.
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| ryanlerch
| but when you move sections up or down you need to manually change ==headers== to ===headers=== and vice versa
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| laubersm
| Oh?
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| jjmcd
| Yeah, oh
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| quaid
| yeah, there really isn't that much value in trying to mirror the wiki beats to the final structure.
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| quaid
| I don't think it matters to writers; they only care about their beat
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| quaid
| the preview then becomes superfluous to them.
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| jjmcd
| So yeah, probably better to just get rid of it
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| ryanlerch
| good, will remove it later today...
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| laubersm
| Some are in a cat - many are not...
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| ryanlerch
| on a side note, i have been playing around with some scripts to generate package manifests:
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| quaid
| do you all have any more actions around recruiting beat writers?
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| ryanlerch
| http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/package_list/html/
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| ryanlerch
| that is a list of all 11 000+ packages in fedora everything....
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| ryanlerch
| it is just something i am working on... :P
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| quaid
| ryanlerch: pretty cool
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| jjmcd
| Now the interesting bit is assigning them to beats
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| *ianweller has no clue why we would ever want all the packages and their descriptions in the release notes
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| ryanlerch
| not really release notes...
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| *quaid has done his recruiting shout out and now returns to packing
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| jjmcd
| ianweller: The beat writer often needs help figuring out what it in his beat, tho
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| ryanlerch
| they are sorted by the RPM group btw...
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| laubersm
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Release_Notes has some of the beats but not all - I'm not sure that is the best cat name for them though
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| jjmcd
| Indeed, a lot of those arent beats. We should have a documentation_beats cat
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| laubersm
| jjmcd, go to it :)
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else for this?
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| laubersm
| Also what are the Docs/Beats/* pages? many are not in any cat
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| laubersm
| Are they the old names?
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| jjmcd
| 3 min for IG, UG, SG, SELG
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| jjmcd
| Yes
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| ryanlerch
| we cant go overtime?
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| Sparks
| We can, I guess.
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| jjmcd
| now named Documentation_xxx_beat
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| laubersm
| we may have to go back to docs but I can stay for overtime
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| laubersm
| jjmcd, then all the DOcs/Beats/* pages can be archived?
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| laubersm
| :)
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| jjmcd
| I believe it. I thinkl they are all just redirects ... hard to tell
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| laubersm
| Not all - we can talk later and I'll point you to the ones I was wondering about
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| *laubersm is done planting wiki cleanup ideas
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| *jjmcd will be trying to make more headway on DevTools tomorrow, but Friday is for fixing the laptop (assuming the part arrives as promised)
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's move to the "anything else" category and then move this discussion over to #f-docs.
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| SgtDitt
| I saw a note in the mailing list that the AG may getg shelved. is this due to lack of updates?
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion
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| *danielsmw wanted to talk about the UG a bit but can do that in f-docs
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: Go for it.
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| jjmcd
| I think lack of owner
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| SgtDitt
| ok.
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| SgtDitt
| I'll pick it up
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| jjmcd
| If yo are volunteering tho
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| jjmcd
| Bravo
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - User Guide
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| danielsmw
| Okay well
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| danielsmw
| I wanted to bring up a question more than an update really
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| danielsmw
| Do we have any formal documents or guides focused toward new users besides the UG?
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| danielsmw
| The reason I ask
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| danielsmw
| I that I think it would be useful to have...
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| danielsmw
| I guess... a *nix-theory document
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| danielsmw
| The UG gives new users a practical cookbook for doing things on Fedora
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| danielsmw
| but it's hard to be a proficient linux user without understanding at least the philosohphy behind how certain things work.
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| danielsmw
| Do we have anyhting like this?
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| danielsmw
| s/anyhting/anything/
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| SgtDitt
| seems a bit beyond the scope of the docs project.
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| Sparks
| I don't think there is a problem including some basic *nix usage but we shouldn't sway too far from Fedora.
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: Agreed, should have clarified.
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| SgtDitt
| basic, intermediate and advance use of fedora is fitting...
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| jjmcd
| Wouldn't this help bridge the gulf between the UG and the stuff aimed at the pony tail and rope belt set?
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| danielsmw
| I mean, I don't think we need a volume on Unix Philosphy.
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| Sparks
| HAHAHA... pony tail and rope belt set?
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| danielsmw
| lol
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| danielsmw
| Yeah, I mean I think it would be useful to at least introduce the CLI, maybe the process model, etc.
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| danielsmw
| just at a basic level with metaphors and such.
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: Things like "ll does this" isn't a bad thing even though it is a common bash command
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| danielsmw
| so new users can at least hope to grasp more advanced commands
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: can you reword that? I don't see what you're saying.
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| Sparks
| +1
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| joat
| jjmcd is showing his age with the pony tail and rope belt comment
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| Sparks
| joat: Apparently
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| jjmcd
| LOL -- Datatrieve developers
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: I think you are on the right track. Just because something isn't specific to Fedora doesn't mean it shouldn't be explained in the FUG
| Mar 04 20:08
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: yeah, i figured that out before you replied, sorry. :-)
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| danielsmw
| Anyway, that was my thought. I blogged about it but didn't get much response.
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| danielsmw
| I'll discuss it in IRC again later.
| Mar 04 20:09
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| danielsmw
| That's all I had. :-)
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| jjmcd
| Seems like there was something on the list, did you post that?
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| Sparks
| Go forth and prosper... :)
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| danielsmw
| jjmcd: Sort of
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| joat
| I think that it should be located in a wiki so that it can be referenced by other pages
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| jjmcd
| Suggestion, though. Go out and recruit some staff so we can keep it up
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| danielsmw
| Back then I was thinking about just adding more advanced topics in general, but I've refined that idea, I think.
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| joat
| "to learn more about how to save and exit vi, see such-and-such"
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| jjmcd
| rm -f /bin/vi
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| joat
| when talking about editing a config file
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| danielsmw
| jjmcd: Why would you do that?!
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| laubersm
| based on a conversation in ambassadors earlier today - ssh and scp basics would be useful.
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| jjmcd
| solves the problem of exiting vi
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| danielsmw
| lol
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| SgtDitt
| love vi/vim
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| jjmcd
| yeah, ssh/scp are pretty basic, but not widely understood by newbies
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| jjmcd
| You know what RMS said about that
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| *nirik would like to butt in and note there are still some open slots for fedora classes in the classroom this weekend. ;) Docs topics would be great.
| Mar 04 20:11
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| *jjmcd would love to do something if he could find another dozen hours in the day
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| *laubersm will be at basketball tourney (assuming we win Fri)
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| *laubersm should clarify - laubersm watches and only wishes she could play
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else meeting worthy?
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| jjmcd
| what can we do to help laubersm's team loose?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: vaseline?
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| danielsmw
| lol
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| jjmcd
| that would be cruel Sparks
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| Sparks
| okay...
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| Sparks
| Thanks everyone for coming!
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| Sparks
| </meeting>
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