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| #startmeeting
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| #meetingtopic Docs Meeting
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| fedbot
| Meeting started Thu Jun 18 00:03:00 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks.
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| fedbot
| Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot , Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link
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| #topic.
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| Sparks
| #topic Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting)
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| radsy
| oooh, that's cool
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| Sparks
| Roll Call
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| * Sparks is here
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| * radsy is here
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| * jjmcd would like to clear by 0100Z
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| * ianweller is sorta kind here maybe
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| * rudi is here
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: me too
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| jjmcd
| Japanese Game Show?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yes
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| jjmcd
| ;-)
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| * kgs wonders if visitors introduce themselves
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| Sparks
| sure!
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's get started...
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| Sparks
| #topic Meeting procedures
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| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Meeting procedures (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting)
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| Sparks
| You may have noticed that we have a new bot in the room with us taking notes. Fedbot is a new bot that automates some
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| channel maintenance for the OPs but also has some real nifty meeting commands as well. You can read more about this bot at
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| http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| * quaid is here now
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| -!- Irssi: Pasting 7 lines to #fedora-meeting. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel.
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| Sparks
| To get the most out of this bot we should learn to use the following commands:
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| Sparks
| info - Add an info item to the minutes. People should liberally use this for important things they say, so that they can be
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| logged in the minutes.
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| Sparks
| action - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them.
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| (nicknames are case-sensitive)
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| Sparks
| idea - Add an idea to the minutes.
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| Sparks
| help - Add a "Call for Help" to the minutes. Use this command when you need to recruit someone to do a task.
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| (Counter-intuitively, this doesn't provide help on the bot)
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| Sparks
| link - Add a link to the meeting minutes. The link should be the first non-command on the line, other commentary after the
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| link is OK. Links beginning with http:// and a few other protocols are automatically detected.
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| Sparks
| All commands start with a # so you have to use that (i.e. #idea).
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| * Sparks pauses for any query...
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| quaid
| what does the result look like?
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| * zoglesby is here
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| quaid
| I've seen a log before, but it was just bold faced stuff
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| * nirik notes he will in the next few days be getting it setup to log to a fedoraproject machine and run from zodbot.
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| Sparks
| quaid: I don't know. I guess we'll see
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| quaid
| ah, Ok
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| nirik
| output looks like: http://fedorapeople.org/~kevin/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html
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| quaid
| so it's somewhat data capture for now? we don't have it auto-generating logs for mailing lists, etc yet?
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| quaid
| ah!
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| Sparks
| Hmmm...
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| Sparks
| Yeah, that's going to take some getting used to.
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| quaid
| ok, much better, thanks; I'd only seen a straight IRC log generation
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| nirik
| not yet, but I am working with upstream and he's been fixing things like mad. ;)
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| nirik
| if anyone has suggestions/changes/thoughts, feel free to ping me with them and I will pass them on.
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| Sparks
| nirik: I'll probably have some for you in an hour.
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| nirik
| sounds good. ;)
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| Sparks
| Okay...
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| Sparks
| I'd also like to start using Meeting Protocols (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Meeting_Protocol) for
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| our meetings. I think it will help keep the momentum up and we won't waste time.
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| Sparks
| Basically, all you have to do is follow these simple instructions:
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| Sparks
| 1. Please watch what others are doing and do not interrupt
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| Sparks
| 2. If you have a question, type "?"
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| Sparks
| 3. If you need to speak, type "!"
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| Sparks
| 4. If you're done speaking, type "eof"
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| Sparks
| 5. If you agree, type "+1"
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| Sparks
| Any questions or comments?
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| quaid
| hmmm
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| quaid
| I won't say no personally, but
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| quaid
| I've found those to be most helpful where the common language
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| quaid
| is not the first language spoken of participants.
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| quaid
| so, it would be a good practice to welcome non-native English speakers
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| quaid
| but it does interrupt flow
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| quaid
| <eof>
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| ianweller
| +1
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| Sparks
| Well, we seem to take a while typing things we want to say and I'm not sure if I'm waiting for someone to respond or not.
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| radsy
| +1
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| ianweller
| (oh by the way i was +1ing quaid)
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| quaid
| Sparks: I do like eof as a convention, yeah
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| quaid
| it's a kindness
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| Sparks
| I'm not looking for strict adherence... but just for folks to keep in mind if they want to say something so I know they are
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| typing something
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| Sparks
| Okay, anyone have anything else to say before we move on to the REAL important stuff?
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| radsy
| no
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| rudi
| no <eof>
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| jjmcd
| ^Z
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| Sparks
| #topic FAD SELF 2009 After action report
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| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAD SELF 2009 After action report (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting)
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| Sparks
| We had a wonderful time at the Fedora Activity Day (FAD) after SELF in Clemson. We had a couple of participants that
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| remotely attended the session and six people who were physically in Clemson.
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| Sparks
| Everyone should have received the final "notes" from the FAD.
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| Sparks
| Has everyone had a change to look over the notes?
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| Sparks
| And does anyone have any questions about the FAD?
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| jjmcd
| ?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yes
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| jjmcd
| Do we have a plan to get names attached to those action items not taken?
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| jjmcd: Not as of yet. But we should. If you want to take something then go for it.
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| jjmcd
| !
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| Sparks
| Oh I see this going badly
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: yes?
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| jjmcd
| We should also take poelcat's suggestion to use that list and the retrospective list as a potential task list for new joiners
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| Sparks
| +1
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| jjmcd
| eof
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| zoglesby
| +1
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| quaid
| ! Sparks: one option is to have people just ! and ? then speak, without being cleared by the moderator; that is, self-police
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| a bit :)
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| Sparks
| Yes...
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| Sparks
| I guess that's kinda what I meant.
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| Sparks
| quaid: Thank you
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| jjmcd
| !
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| jjmcd
| Doesn't make a lot of diff when you type as slow as me
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| Sparks
| :)
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: I'll try to put together a list of items to do from the FAD and let's see what we can get done.
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| zoglesby
| ?
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| uclugLee
| Greetings and salutations.
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| Sparks
| Yes Zach
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| zoglesby
| Did we get anywere with the calendar after the FAD?
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| Sparks
| zoglesby: Kinda... I want to talk to poelcat to see if he can help.
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| zoglesby
| I didn't see it in the notes, but we talked about it for a while
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| zoglesby
| ok
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| zoglesby
| eof
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| Sparks
| zoglesby: There is a calendaring program coming down the line
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| Sparks
| Anything else for the FAD?
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| Sparks
| #topic Docs_decisions_for_F12
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Would you like to talk about this since you started the topic?
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| jjmcd
| Well I think we covered a lot Sunday
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| jjmcd
| We have some new ideas on RN's
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| jjmcd
| Content, perhaps a totally new organization, I see some more ideas on f-d-l
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| jjmcd
| We have a better understanding on the l10n issues, as well as the codes (although no decisiosn there)
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| jjmcd
| Rudi has prempted the Publican question ;-))
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| Sparks
| :)
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| rudi
| :D
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| jjmcd
| Still no real answer on homepage and how to actually present them
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| jjmcd
| I think we have some really good plans tho
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| jjmcd
| but we need to share them more widely before implementing
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| jjmcd
| Not sure we are necessarily aware of the URQs
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| jjmcd
| eof
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| Sparks
| URQs?
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| jjmcd
| User Requirements
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| Sparks
| Ahh
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| jjmcd
| <---- requirements geek
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| Sparks
| I think one thing that stickster had a good idea about was the different expectations...
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| Sparks
| by different users. One set wants the one page, with pictures, RNs while...
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| jjmcd
| Yes. I think the breaking down into different formats langs has some merit
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| the more techy group wants the 1000 page RNs with all the info.
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| jjmcd
| but that is a big change that probably negatively impacts someone
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| jjmcd
| Yes
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| jjmcd
| ALtho I still think that ALL the changes with just a link covers 95% of that
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| Sparks
| I want to talk with the Marketing folks about it more.
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| jjmcd
| as in the example I pointed to somewhere
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| jjmcd
| wait
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| jjmcd
| #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jjmcd/Drafts/Test_of_table_RNs
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| jjmcd
| Did everyone get a look at that?
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| jjmcd
| highlight a few biggies and list all the rest
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| Sparks
| I didn't... Have now
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| jjmcd
| reduces translation and increases the data
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| Sparks
| Good combinations
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| jjmcd
| THat way qnyone waiting for a feature/bugfix can see if its there
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| jjmcd
| Needless to say, the table is produced by a script
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| jjmcd
| Well, program
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| Sparks
| Cool
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| -!- oget is now known as oget_zzz
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on the F12 discussion?
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| jjmcd
| I need more comments on wiki page tho, or here or list
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| * jjmcd will blog on ppl issues
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| Sparks
| Excellent.
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| Sparks
| Okay.... moving on...
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid
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| discussion. <--quaid (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting)
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| quaid: Do you have an update for us?
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| quaid
| ok
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| quaid
| I may cover what was said last week, but ...
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| quaid
| we want an all-clear from Content Services; it sounds good, waiting also to see mhideo's plans.
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| quaid
| and I guess I still owe a write-up to f-a-b?
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| quaid
| yes, I do
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| quaid
| #action - quaid needs to send a "mother may we" email to f-a-b
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| Sparks
| ?
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| Sparks
| When do you think we'll be able to change over? ETA?
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| quaid
| well, this covers wiki content, we should be consensus seeking v. demanding :)
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| quaid
| no ETA, guess I need to articulate an actual plan with dates and stuffnow
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| quaid
| #action - quaid needs to specify an action plan around relicensing
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| quaid
| so, really ... no change from last week afair :/
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| Sparks
| Okay... At least we are up to date.
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything else?
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| Sparks
| #topic Shared open-source style guide
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| kgs
| thank you for taking the lead here -- it sets a good example for other projects considering this stuff
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| open-source style guide] (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting)
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| Sparks
| Okay... I think stickster asked me to add this to the agenda...
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| Sparks
| but I haven't really had time to look at it...
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| Sparks
| so I don't have anything to say about it, yet.
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| Sparks
| Would anyone like to say anything about it?
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| zoglesby
| ?
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| Sparks
| Go ahead Zach.
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| zoglesby
| I am not sure the point, every group works diffrent, would a guide that basic be worth the time?
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| Sparks
| Yeah, I'm not sure of their end result.
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| * jjmcd had similar concerns
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to find out more information on the shared style guide request.
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| zoglesby
| eof
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| Sparks
| Anyone else?
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| jjmcd
| I can see some benefit from shared development
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| jjmcd
| and idea generation but wonder whether the benefit is worth it since it wouild need to be so generic
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| jjmcd
| eof
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| Sparks
| Yeah, that's the problem I've been fighting...
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| Sparks
| I'll try to get more information for next week.
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| Sparks
| Anyone else?
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| Sparks
| #topic CMS Update <-- ke4qqq
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| topic: Docs Meeting)
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| Sparks
| Is ke4qqq here tonight?
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| Sparks
| I guess not.
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| zoglesby
| ?
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| Sparks
| So I think all the modules have been packaged, now.
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| zoglesby
| How much stuff got packaged and is there a list of wats left?
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| zoglesby
| oh i can read!
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| Sparks
| One of my packages got rejected due to a licensing issue so I'll be working with Simon to figure out what's going on.
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| ianweller
| there's no such thing as a "rejected" package
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| Sparks
| zoglesby: Yeah, there might be one left. Get with me afterwards and I'll check BZ.
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| ianweller
| just one that isn't approved yet
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| ianweller
| unless it's in ForbiddenItems
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| * ianweller heads back out
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| Sparks
| Yeah... what he said.
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| zoglesby
| what was the license?
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| Sparks
| CC-BY-SA 2.5
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| Sparks
| Which is not compatible with GPL
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| zoglesby
| did anyone contact the dev yet?
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| Sparks
| This project is being planned to be online within 60 days. We've asked poelcat to assist us with the PM.
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| Sparks
| zoglesby: Yeah, Simon (itbegins) is our developer contact.
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| Sparks
| Anyone have any other questions or comments?
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| Sparks
| #topic DocsProject wiki pages changes
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| Sparks
| Okay, we haven't talked about this one in a while...
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| Sparks
| I think ianweller is planning on getting the wikibot working
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| Sparks
| this summer so hopefully we'll be able to let the bot
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| Sparks
| loose to do some of our work for us.
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| Sparks
| Anyone have any questions or comments?
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| Sparks
| #topic Calendar
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| Sparks
| Well, poelcat just sent me a message on #fedora-docs about an .ics file that he is working on for F12.
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| Sparks
| I'm sure he'll put stuff on there for us so that might be the short term solution...
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| Sparks
| until we get our calendaring solution.
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| Sparks
| #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12.ics
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| zoglesby
| +1
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| poelcat
| easiest way to get stuff into TJ/ics file is email with with:
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| poelcat
| 1) name of task (using action words/verbs)
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| poelcat
| 2) start date
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| poelcat
| 3) how many days it takes
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| poelcat
| 4) dependency on other tasks
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| Sparks
| Cool!
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| Sparks
| anyone have any questions or comments?
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| Sparks
| Thanks poelcat
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| * poelcat needs to publish draft of docs schedule for f12 so you all can pick it apart
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| poelcat
| will target fri or monday
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| Sparks
| poelcat: That will be great.
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| Sparks
| #topic All other business
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| Sparks
| Okay, due to the hour... Does anyone have anything they want to talk about?
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| radsy
| !
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| Sparks
| radsy: Go ahead
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| radsy
| #link
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| http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/SELinux_Managing_Confined_Services/en-US/html-single/#chap-Managing_Confined_Services-Squid_Caching_Proxy
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| is what i'm working on, for those interested in a look
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| radsy
| eof
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| Sparks
| radsy: Very cool. Do you need any additional resources?
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| radsy
| no
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| Sparks
| Okay, anyone else?
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| perspectival
| I think I'll take this time to speak up
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| Sparks
| perspectival: Go ahead
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| perspectival
| I'm Silas and I'm going to be working on the Deployment Guide for F12
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| perspectival
| there is a new branch in svn
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| perspectival
| unfortunately that's about all I know at this point :-) but I did want to say hello and let you all know about it
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| quaid
| howdy
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| Sparks
| perspectival: How different in mission is the Deployment Guide from the Installation Guide?
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| perspectival
| So Greetings!
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| perspectival
| the deployment guide is different in that it's more of a system administration guide
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| Sparks
| perspectival: Excellent! Do you need any resources?
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| perspectival
| I will pass on that question until next time if you don't mind
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| perspectival
| still figuring out the way forward ;-)
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| Sparks
| perspectival: No problem!
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| perspectival
| I am accepting any and all hints and tips at this point though
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| am paying attention to fedora-docs list, etc.
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| perspectival
| <eof for now>
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| -!- phunster [n=lanny@pool-74-105-133-148.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
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| Sparks
| Okay.
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| Sparks
| Anyone else?
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| Sparks
| Okay, I'm calling it a night then...
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
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| fedbot
| Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 01:08:31 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot .
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| fedbot
| Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-18-00.03.html
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