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| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Init process | Mar 26 09:29 | ||
| nirik | who all is here? looks like we have a number of folks today. ;) | Mar 26 09:29 | |
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| vwbusguy- | present | Mar 26 09:29 | |
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| *vwbusguy- may have to leave ~noon, so he requests we move op nomination to top of list. | Mar 26 09:30 | ||
| *icarus-c is new, can someone explain what is a SIG meeting? | Mar 26 09:30 | ||
| linuxguru | Special Interest group | Mar 26 09:30 | |
| icarus-c | i see | Mar 26 09:31 | |
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| linuxguru | you can look into fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs i think that's the link? | Mar 26 09:31 | |
| icarus-c | i've read that page before | Mar 26 09:31 | |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Op nominations | Mar 26 09:31 | ||
| linuxguru | wow ops nomination , sounds nice | Mar 26 09:31 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | and this SIG relates the the running of the #fedora channel | Mar 26 09:31 | |
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| nirik | icarus-c: yeah, basically we are the folks trying to make the #fedora channel a nice place for end user fedora support. | Mar 26 09:31 | |
| nirik | so, first off... we have some nominations for channel operators... before we discuss those, lets discuss in general how we want to handle them. | Mar 26 09:32 | |
| EvilBob | s/nice\ place/hippy\ commune | Mar 26 09:32 | |
| icarus-c | i have to say you all have did a very great job and i've learnt i lot. so i think i would try to contribute too | Mar 26 09:32 | |
| *EvilBob ducks | Mar 26 09:32 | ||
| *vwbusguy- is ok with that | Mar 26 09:32 | ||
| nirik | icarus-c: excellent. More helpers are always welcome. ;) | Mar 26 09:32 | |
| nirik | so, the way we handle packager sponsor and now provenpackager requests is to send out the request on the internal sponsors list and get feedback. | Mar 26 09:33 | |
| *Southern_Gentlem motions that all nominations from now on have a secret ballot | Mar 26 09:33 | ||
| nirik | then after a week, we vote in a meeting on it. | Mar 26 09:33 | |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, welcome on board | Mar 26 09:33 | |
| vwbusguy- | Southern_Gentlem, +1 | Mar 26 09:33 | |
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| EvilBob | I have a suggestion | Mar 26 09:34 | |
| nirik | I can see not wanting to offend anyone or drag out personal issues. I think those should be in private. | Mar 26 09:34 | |
| nirik | EvilBob: go ahead. | Mar 26 09:34 | |
| roguedaemon | Southern_Gentlem: +1 :) | Mar 26 09:34 | |
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| EvilBob | Set up a web poll with a secret URL an also allow comments or questions to be posted anonymously | Mar 26 09:34 | |
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| vwbusguy- | EvilBob, good idea, raises concerns about multiple votes and who gets access | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| roguedaemon | EvilBob: is there such a thing already in existence? | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| nirik | EvilBob: not a bad idea... but I would want it to be done with free software/within fedora... not some random site. | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | EvilBob, i would rather just send the vote to one person | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| zcat | nirik, but i was paid for my vote... and the lurker needs to see it to verify it :) | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| nirik | I think the new CMS might have some kind of poll thing. I can inquire. | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| EvilBob | vwbusguy-: it should be able to be done based on FAS account | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| *vwbusguy- trusts nirik with that | Mar 26 09:35 | ||
| nirik | there is a fedora voting system as well... used for release names and fesco/board elections. | Mar 26 09:36 | |
| EvilBob | Southern_Gentlem: but that is not anonymous and does not allow for annonymous discussion | Mar 26 09:36 | |
| roguedaemon | but does nirik really want to know who voted for who | Mar 26 09:36 | |
| vwbusguy- | Either we can do it through email through the FAS list that way or PM nirik over the time span of a week | Mar 26 09:36 | |
| nirik | it's just the names tho, no way to do comments. | Mar 26 09:36 | |
| *vwbusguy- apologizes to nirik for volunteering him. | Mar 26 09:36 | ||
| roguedaemon | is spot the only one who can add ops? | Mar 26 09:36 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | no | Mar 26 09:37 | |
| roguedaemon | ok | Mar 26 09:37 | |
| nirik | I have no problem collecting votes... if thats the way we want to do it... | Mar 26 09:37 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | me and nirik can as well | Mar 26 09:37 | |
| EvilBob | Some may not be willing to open themselves up to inspection because they said something to question one of your friends | Mar 26 09:37 | |
| roguedaemon | nirik is honest and neutral, our fearless leader :) | Mar 26 09:37 | |
| EvilBob | Oh what are the requirements for someone to be voted in as an OP? | Mar 26 09:38 | |
| vwbusguy- | don't know about everyone else, but I feel I can be honest with the other ops about my opinions about bringing a new guy in. | Mar 26 09:38 | |
| nirik | personally, I think on the list is fine. I have no problem with people bringing up issues... but I don't feel strongly on it. | Mar 26 09:38 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | the 2 nominies i think should be acted on this week if possible and all future nominations be handled as we have stated | Mar 26 09:38 | |
| vwbusguy- | In the context of emails is better than in here | Mar 26 09:38 | |
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| vwbusguy- | Southern_Gentlem, two? fenris02 and who else? | Mar 26 09:38 | |
| roguedaemon | vwbusguy-: sure, we should all feel that way, but it still intruduces unknowns when its all in the open | Mar 26 09:38 | |
| EvilBob | nirik: bringing up "issues" with names attached with a permenant record is the exact thing I brought up last week or the week before | Mar 26 09:39 | |
| nirik | vwbusguy-: linuxguru was nominated as well. | Mar 26 09:39 | |
| vwbusguy- | roguedaemon, yeah, speaking purely for myself, I don't see it as a hindrance | Mar 26 09:39 | |
| nirik | EvilBob: on the private alias for the group of ops. Not public. | Mar 26 09:39 | |
| EvilBob | So what are the requirements for someone to be voted in as an OP? | Mar 26 09:40 | |
| vwbusguy- | evNOMINATION AND THEN A MAJORITY VOTE, RIGHT? | Mar 26 09:40 | |
| nirik | one other thing we try and do with packager sponsors is make sure to give a week for feedback... we might want to consider that as well. | Mar 26 09:40 | |
| vwbusguy- | sorry caps | Mar 26 09:40 | |
| roguedaemon | vwbusguy-: its just how smart people do business, and since the number of ops has grown considerably, now is probably a good time to change it | Mar 26 09:40 | |
| *nirik covers his ears at vwbusguy- | Mar 26 09:40 | ||
| vwbusguy- | roguedaemon, good point | Mar 26 09:40 | |
| roguedaemon | i felt pretty strange when you guys were voting on me while i was in the channel :) | Mar 26 09:41 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | roguedaemon, and it has been 32 weeks since we had any changes to the ops list | Mar 26 09:41 | |
| roguedaemon | even though i'm sure it was already diiscussed | Mar 26 09:41 | |
| nirik | yes, I think we said majority vote of current ops. | Mar 26 09:41 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, I'd say give _at least_ a week for feedback through email, -ops, etc. | Mar 26 09:41 | |
| roguedaemon | vwbusguy-: yeah that way we can get close to quorum | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| roguedaemon | or a reasonable target | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| EvilBob | so if a nominee can not get 12 + votes they are denied | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| EvilBob | when can they be nominated again? | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | active ops | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | yes | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| EvilBob | Oh so now there is another qualifier | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| roguedaemon | but not all ops know all candidates, so it might not be realistic to shoot for a % of ops | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| nirik | EvilBob: thats what we have said in the past. We have had no rules on re-nominations or anything like that. Perhaps we want to formalize the procedure now? | Mar 26 09:42 | |
| EvilBob | nirik: I think it would be a good idea before "feelings" get hurt | Mar 26 09:43 | |
| vwbusguy- | so 10 ops is half in that case, so 11 would be majority | Mar 26 09:43 | |
| vwbusguy- | right? | Mar 26 09:43 | |
| *nirik notes that we are not a country... lets come up with rules that make sense, are fair and are not too complicated. | Mar 26 09:43 | ||
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| EvilBob | vwbusguy-: there are 23 OPs, that makes 12 a majority | Mar 26 09:43 | |
| roguedaemon | % of actual votes? | Mar 26 09:43 | |
| vwbusguy- | EvilBob, <Southern_Gentlem> active ops | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| roguedaemon | but do they all know the candidate? | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| nirik | active makes it more complicated... who is active? | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| roguedaemon | that might be difficult | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| EvilBob | vwbusguy-: and I say why doesn't everyone get to vote? | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | and i count 8 emergency ops in that list | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| roguedaemon | then theres time crossover | Mar 26 09:44 | |
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| fenris02 | should it not be just existing ops voting? | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| vwbusguy- | EvilBob, everyone in #Fedora? | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | 23-8=15 so 8 or more | Mar 26 09:44 | |
| EvilBob | vwbusguy-: everyone in the ops list | Mar 26 09:45 | |
| roguedaemon | fenris02: but not everyone can vote. basically ops who dont know the candidate should not vote | Mar 26 09:45 | |
| EvilBob | vwbusguy-: active or not they have had a vote of confidence in the past | Mar 26 09:45 | |
| zcat | nirik, imo, new ops should 1) have stuck around #fedora for 1 or more release periods, with low burnout probability; 2) have slightly above average CLUE. 3) get a simple majority of active op votes, with a "good enough" fudge factor | Mar 26 09:45 | |
| vwbusguy- | EvilBob, I wasn't arguing against that, just repeating what has already been said | Mar 26 09:45 | |
| roguedaemon | zcat: +1 | Mar 26 09:45 | |
| fenris02 | roguedaemon, is it an objections list, or a confirmation list? (positive based, or negative based) | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| *vwbusguy- doesn't want to play devil's advocate on this one | Mar 26 09:46 | ||
| nirik | zcat: sounds fine, but 2 is subjectiive. ;) | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| roguedaemon | fenris02: positive probably | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, 3 is subjective | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| zcat | nirik, "im rm -rf'd everything last nite. lawl" | Mar 26 09:46 | |
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| roguedaemon | fenris02: the problem i see is that the negatives are never heard in open forum | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | nirik, and that comes in with a existing op nominating them | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| Khaytsus | erm, got busy | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| Khaytsus | What did I miss | Mar 26 09:46 | |
| *vwbusguy- thinks labelling "active" and "inactive" ops could become tricky business, as seen with Amabssadors. | Mar 26 09:47 | ||
| *nirik doesn't like the idea of 'active ops'... it's too hard to quantify. | Mar 26 09:47 | ||
| icarus-c | what about if we split the ops seat into 2 groups, 1 for current op and 1 for public? | Mar 26 09:47 | |
| roguedaemon | yep | Mar 26 09:47 | |
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| vwbusguy- | those labels can become counter-productive | Mar 26 09:47 | |
| EvilBob | active vs inactive is only going to bring it's own nightmares | Mar 26 09:47 | |
| *Khaytsus puts away the labelmaker | Mar 26 09:47 | ||
| Khaytsus | Can we also try to sync up the ops list with -social ? | Mar 26 09:47 | |
| roguedaemon | % of actual votes | Mar 26 09:47 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | **shakes head** let me know when you nned me to vote | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| Khaytsus | I say ops go with a NPA. Net promoter score. | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| roguedaemon | Khaytsus: yeah so i can kick myself! | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| *zcat is with Southern_Gentlem | Mar 26 09:48 | ||
| EvilBob | roguedaemon: 70% of those that Vote I would think should be enough "fudge factor" | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| Khaytsus | You take the Positive votes, subtract the Negative votes, ignore the inpartial or non-votes. | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| vwbusguy- | do we need to vote on how we are going to vote? | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| Khaytsus | vwbusguy-: I vote no on that. | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| vwbusguy- | lol | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| Khaytsus | So we've voted to vote to vote | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| nirik | indeed. | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| Khaytsus | Wait, or not to | Mar 26 09:48 | |
| Khaytsus | 2B | !2b | Mar 26 09:49 |
| zcat | vwbusguy-, i think we need first need to vote on forming a committee on voting on the vote | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| Khaytsus | zcat: Let's schedule a meeting on that | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| vwbusguy- | zcat, we haven't set up our by-laws yet!! | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| nirik | well, first, how about we decide if we should require a 1 week min on nominations? | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, +1 | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| roguedaemon | i used to know roberts rules of order in another lifetime... | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| vwbusguy- | as in +1 on at least a week of buffer time | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| Khaytsus | What's important is that new ops understand they provide the bacon for hte first month | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| nirik | ie, nominations should always be pending for a meeting to meeting period to give time for feedback? | Mar 26 09:49 | |
| roguedaemon | nirik: yes | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| vwbusguy- | Khaytsus, and beer | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| Khaytsus | vwbusguy-: too right | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| roguedaemon | fair warning to those that dont know the candidate | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| linuxguru | lol | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| roguedaemon | it worked well for me this time | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| nirik | so, we decide on these next week, then? | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| roguedaemon | oh | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| Khaytsus | Okay I'v egot some time during lunch, I need to run some tests on this live nv CD now if I'm going to. | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| roguedaemon | do we need to this time? | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, I at least feel confident fenris02 has been thoroughly vetter through -ops and email | Mar 26 09:50 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, also considering all the votes on him already through those means | Mar 26 09:51 | |
| vwbusguy- | *vetted | Mar 26 09:51 | |
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| *vwbusguy- motions that unless someone else wants an extension we could finalize the position on fenris02 today | Mar 26 09:52 | ||
| roguedaemon | lets just try the msg vote now and see what happens | Mar 26 09:52 | |
| nirik | I guess... confusing to try and count all the votes. ;) | Mar 26 09:52 | |
| vwbusguy- | roguedaemon, right now? | Mar 26 09:52 | |
| roguedaemon | nirik: count the tabs :) | Mar 26 09:52 | |
| nirik | we didn't decide if it's majority or not tho | Mar 26 09:52 | |
| roguedaemon | hrm yeah... | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| nirik | 33%? majority voting? | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| roguedaemon | 70% positive | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| roguedaemon | 33? | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| vwbusguy- | I'll suggest > 50%, including all ops | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| roguedaemon | 66% positive? | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| nirik | of all ops. Just a random number I picked. ;) | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| vwbusguy- | hasn't this been the standard in the past | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| roguedaemon | 2/3 vote | Mar 26 09:53 | |
| vwbusguy- | I believe it was when Khaytsus and I were voted on | Mar 26 09:54 | |
| roguedaemon | it was +5 | Mar 26 09:54 | |
| nirik | vwbusguy-: the problem with that is we have a number of ops that are not very involved anymore, so they don't usually vote. | Mar 26 09:54 | |
| roguedaemon | 2/3 of actual vote | Mar 26 09:54 | |
| Khaytsus | vwbusguy-: It seems they're rethinking that strategy | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| nirik | I could bug some of them and get them to vote, but they would be like 'ok, who is this? sure, if everyone else likes them.' | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| Khaytsus | vwbusguy-: It's your fault. | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| roguedaemon | so if 3 people vote and one is negative, theyre in | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| vwbusguy- | Khaytsus, damn | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| nirik | roguedaemon: ok, I would be fine with that... | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| fenris02 | should it not be 51% ? | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| Khaytsus | fenris02: worried? | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| Khaytsus | :D | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| vwbusguy- | lol | Mar 26 09:55 | |
| roguedaemon | heh | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| fenris02 | Khaytsus, sweating buckets! (no, not for me. just generally.) | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| nirik | I'm ok with a 2/3rds... if 49% don't agree I think they are probibly not a good idea. | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| EvilBob | I don't think a simple majority should be enough | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| Khaytsus | Okay, I gotta run or I won't get to test this. | Mar 26 09:56 | |
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| Khaytsus | I'll bbiab | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| fenris02 | 2/3rs is fine too, but 100% is a bit odd | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| nirik | in fact I was considering saying if anyone is -1 they are denined, but thats harsh and might get into personal things. | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| vwbusguy- | 2/3 of total ops on the list? | Mar 26 09:56 | |
| vwbusguy- | or 2/3 of responders | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| roguedaemon | 2/3 of actual votes | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| nirik | vwbusguy-: no. 2/3 who vote. | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| vwbusguy- | In general I motion that within a period of a week, ops can vote and those votes are counted | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| EvilBob | nirik: I think that should be fair | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| nirik | is that acceptable to everyone? | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| vwbusguy- | that way if someone misses the meeting or drops out early, etc they can still vote | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| roguedaemon | vwbusguy-: yes we need a longer term vote process to get them all | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| *EvilBob bolts to get the Boy on the bus | Mar 26 09:57 | ||
| nirik | vwbusguy-: yes. | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| roguedaemon | which is where the web thingy would be nice | Mar 26 09:57 | |
| nirik | well, you are never going to get everyone. ;) | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| nirik | I think a week is a fair time for people to consider and vote. | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| fenris02 | is there an email list that you could send out and give everyone days rather than minutes to vote? | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| vwbusguy- | if we give a time span for voting it kind of eliminates the problem of "inactive vs active" | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| roguedaemon | yep, fair warning to watch and vote | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| nirik | fenris02: yes, there is a irc-operators group in fedora account system with an alias | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| roguedaemon | fenris02: thats what we have to figure out | Mar 26 09:58 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, so if it can be tied to a FAS group, so only ops can get in and only get one vote, that would work well | Mar 26 09:59 | |
| nirik | vwbusguy-: I can ask if the CMS thng can do that... | Mar 26 09:59 | |
| roguedaemon | votes need to be non-public, and given enough time. those are the only real issues i see | Mar 26 09:59 | |
| nirik | in the mean time, I have the votes via email. Anyone who did not vote via email who wants to vote now, msg me. | Mar 26 10:00 | |
| roguedaemon | i think we have had enough time to vote on today's candidates | Mar 26 10:00 | |
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| vwbusguy- | Khaytsus, Southern_Gentlem - vote now by /msg nirik if you haven't voted by email already | Mar 26 10:00 | |
| roguedaemon | if there is anyone left to vote... | Mar 26 10:00 | |
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| roguedaemon | nirik: who are we voting for now | Mar 26 10:01 | |
| nirik | roguedaemon: well, fenris02 was proposed early this week, but linuxguru was proposed yesterday night/this morning, so I would prefer to wait until next week on him if it's ok with everyone? | Mar 26 10:01 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, works for me | Mar 26 10:01 | |
| roguedaemon | but he's been around forever, i just thought most would already know | Mar 26 10:01 | |
| nirik | roguedaemon: yeah, but having it go to the list and give time for people to comment is polite IMHO. | Mar 26 10:02 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, +1 | Mar 26 10:02 | |
| roguedaemon | ok | Mar 26 10:02 | |
| roguedaemon | it is in line with the proposed changes | Mar 26 10:02 | |
| *vwbusguy- too | Mar 26 10:02 | ||
| nirik | ok, so if my tally is right, I have 9 votes via mailing list/msg... let me recount to make sure. | Mar 26 10:03 | |
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| vwbusguy- | 9 votes total? | Mar 26 10:03 | |
| Khaytsus | Bleh, bad burn. Won't boot :( | Mar 26 10:04 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, I expressed my vote through both mediums, so make sure not to count me twice :-) | Mar 26 10:04 | |
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| nirik | yeah, I know. ;) | Mar 26 10:05 | |
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| Southern_Gentlem | vwbusguy-, i had already voted | Mar 26 10:06 | |
| nirik | yeah, we do need to do this differently... it gets confusing. ;) ok, so I see 9 votes (I think) saying +1, so fenris02 is approved as far as I can see. | Mar 26 10:06 | |
| vwbusguy- | 9 votes, all +1 ? | Mar 26 10:07 | |
| roguedaemon | as expected | Mar 26 10:07 | |
| nirik | ok, can someone mail the list about linuxguru. ;) Then we can vote next week on it. | Mar 26 10:07 | |
| nirik | vwbusguy-: yeah. | Mar 26 10:08 | |
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| *vwbusguy- welcomes fenris02 heartily | Mar 26 10:08 | ||
| fenris02 | thanks! | Mar 26 10:08 | |
| roguedaemon | not bad for a new guy | Mar 26 10:08 | |
| nirik | ok, any more on this? or shall we move on... | Mar 26 10:08 | |
| Southern_Gentlem | move on | Mar 26 10:08 | |
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| roguedaemon | doh! | Mar 26 10:08 | |
| EvilBob | so if "ALL" ops were counted as the pool it would have been a vote of non-confidence | Mar 26 10:08 | |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Classes | Mar 26 10:09 | ||
| nirik | EvilBob: correct. | Mar 26 10:09 | |
| roguedaemon | yeah, that wont work | Mar 26 10:09 | |
| Khaytsus | Whatever happened with the op info pages we talked about at one point? :) | Mar 26 10:09 | |
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| Khaytsus | Oh, ahem, nevermind :) | Mar 26 10:09 | |
| nirik | so a quick note about classes... happening again not this weekend, but weekend after. :) Please sign up for teaching if you can... we are always looking for teachers. | Mar 26 10:09 | |
| nirik | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom | Mar 26 10:10 | |
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| Southern_Gentlem | maybe if i am not drainbead by then | Mar 26 10:10 | |
| nirik | I have made a simple fedbot page with info on it... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedbot | Mar 26 10:10 | |
| vwbusguy- | lol | Mar 26 10:10 | |
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| nirik | feel free to add/modify or ask for more info on anything you would like to see there... | Mar 26 10:10 | |
| *vwbusguy- needs to go, later. | Mar 26 10:11 | ||
| roguedaemon | fenris02: read the freenode charter, and try hard to follow it, be your own example | Mar 26 10:11 | |
| roguedaemon | and our op ettiquette stuff | Mar 26 10:11 | |
| Khaytsus | And if you haven't been op on Freenode yet, god help you. | Mar 26 10:12 | |
| nirik | I would like sometime soon to play with the git version of supybot. That might allow us to do facts and such... anyone interested in helping with that see me. | Mar 26 10:12 | |
| *fenris02 phears | Mar 26 10:12 | ||
| Khaytsus | I still don't get the Freenode modes and stuff. | Mar 26 10:12 | |
| Khaytsus | Luckily my script does. :D | Mar 26 10:12 | |
| nirik | most everything you need can be done via the bot now as well... | Mar 26 10:12 | |
| Khaytsus | Of course there's fedbot and chanserv | Mar 26 10:12 | |
| nirik | ok, any further bot questions? | Mar 26 10:12 | |
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| Khaytsus | Will the bot call me Bill? | Mar 26 10:13 | |
| roguedaemon | i'm still clueless about the bot, havent been able to sit down and look at it and get used to it yet | Mar 26 10:13 | |
| nirik | roguedaemon: see the above page for some common commands, etc... | Mar 26 10:13 | |
| roguedaemon | k | Mar 26 10:13 | |
| nirik | Khaytsus: you could modify the code to have it do that I guess. ;) | Mar 26 10:13 | |
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| *roguedaemon bookmarks | Mar 26 10:14 | ||
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| nirik | ok, open floor. Any questions or concerns anyone would like to bring up? How's the channel been doing this last week? | Mar 26 10:14 | |
| nirik | oh, I forgot about stats: http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html | Mar 26 10:14 | |
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| nirik | The libX11 thing was a big issue the other day. Hopefully it's fixed now in an update | Mar 26 10:15 | |
| roguedaemon | ops should keep composure, even while eating trolls | Mar 26 10:15 | |
| nirik | roguedaemon: totally agreed. | Mar 26 10:15 | |
| linuxguru | interesting stats over there ;) | Mar 26 10:15 | |
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| nirik | I was happy that #fedora could help out with the libX11 thing... we got the developer handing test builds to people seeing the issue to isolate it. | Mar 26 10:16 | |
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| nirik | I would love to see more of that kind of cooperation. | Mar 26 10:17 | |
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| fenris02 | nirik, libX11 from monday is the broken one, yes? has the newer one been pushed to -testing? | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| vwbusguy- | nirik, yeah, he fixed it pretty quickly too | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| vwbusguy- | fenris02, just got the email let me check | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| jwb | it's available now | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| nirik | fenris02: yeah, and not sure... I know it's been built. | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| vwbusguy- | yes | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| vwbusguy- | it's in updates-testing now | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| jwb | i pushed it today because i knew it was pissing people off | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| nirik | thanks jwb. ;) | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| vwbusguy- | just got pushed ~1h ago | Mar 26 10:17 | |
| vwbusguy- | very thanks jwb | Mar 26 10:18 | |
| fenris02 | jwb, pushed to updates, or -testing? | Mar 26 10:18 | |
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| vwbusguy- | -testing | Mar 26 10:18 | |
| jwb | to whatever the update was submitted for. -testing i think | Mar 26 10:18 | |
| fenris02 | jwb, Awesome. thanks | Mar 26 10:18 | |
| vwbusguy- | accd to fedora-test-list | Mar 26 10:18 | |
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| nirik | ok, anyone have anything else they want to bring up? | Mar 26 10:19 | |
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| *nirik will close the meeting in a few unless someone has anything to bring up. | Mar 26 10:20 | ||
| EvilBob | Oh | Mar 26 10:21 | |
| nirik | EvilBob: ? | Mar 26 10:22 | |
| EvilBob | We have a concept of how to vote in new ops, should there be a way to vote out existing ones? | Mar 26 10:22 | |
| EvilBob | Or is it once an op forever an op? | Mar 26 10:22 | |
| nirik | EvilBob: perhaps using the same procedure? op brings up a vote of no confidence on someone and then votes are collected and if they don't pass they are deoped? | Mar 26 10:23 | |
| fenris02 | non-responsive removal sort of thing you mean? | Mar 26 10:23 | |
| EvilBob | nirik: I would think that is fair | Mar 26 10:23 | |
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| EvilBob | Something to think about for anther meeting anyhow | Mar 26 10:24 | |
| nirik | I suppose we could look at removing the inactive ones at some point if we feel we have enough active ops to keep the channel covered all the time. | Mar 26 10:24 | |
| nirik | most of them were just saying they would be willing to come in and fix something if there was a problem and no regular ops are around, but we have pretty good coverage now a days. | Mar 26 10:24 | |
| *nirik will close the meeting in a minute | Mar 26 10:25 | ||
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule | Mar 26 10:26 | ||
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| nirik | thanks for coming everyone! | Mar 26 10:26 | |
| roguedaemon | cyaz | Mar 26 10:27 | |
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