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| *** The channel topic is "EPEL meeting - who's here?". | 16:03 | |
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| Jeff_S | biggest epel meeting all year :) | 16:03 |
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| nirik | Welcome. We have at least many of the interested parties. ;) | 16:05 |
| maxamillion | sweet :) | 16:05 |
| maxamillion | nirik: did you formalize the topics for the day? | 16:05 |
| nirik | So, first of all I don't have much of an agenda, but I would really like us to try meeting every week... if only to touch base on things that are being worked on or the like. | 16:05 |
| nirik | I do have a few things we can touch on/discuss tho. | 16:06 |
| *** nirik sets the channel topic to "EPEL meeting - epel-announce list.". | 16:06 | |
| nirik | I think we should make a epel-announce list for important announcements for our end users. | 16:06 |
| stahnma | ++ | 16:06 |
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| nirik | we need to decide tho whats acceptable content for that list. Updates pushes? Only stable updates pushes? meeting announcements? | 16:07 |
| nirik | thoughts? | 16:07 |
| stahnma | I guess I would think only things that end-users would care about | 16:08 |
| stahnma | the -devel list is light traffic if you are interested in meetings, happenings etc | 16:08 |
| Jeff_S | I think having all update pushes there would be nice | 16:08 |
| maxamillion | +1 | 16:08 |
| nirik | Jeff_S: yeah, but that might be too much traffic for some people. | 16:08 |
| stahnma | update pushes would be too much? | 16:09 |
| maxamillion | well, i think the once a month updates push would be fine for -announce, but the build reports should stay -devel | 16:09 |
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| Jeff_S | maxamillion: ^^ agreed | 16:09 |
| stahnma | yes | 16:09 |
| nirik | I was thinking this could be used for things like "Hey, I am pushing heartbeat into epel, it will be newer than centos, so please test and make sure it's ok before it goes stable' | 16:09 |
| maxamillion | i really like the updates info emails I get from RHN | 16:09 |
| Jeff_S | sorry, that's what I was trying to say :) I should be more clear | 16:09 |
| nirik | or 'X needs to update in some incompatible way. | 16:10 |
| maxamillion | Jeff_S: no worries ;) | 16:10 |
| stahnma | I like it | 16:10 |
| Jeff_S | nirik: I'd say that still belongs in the regular list... most end users don't care about that | 16:10 |
| nirik | I think stable ones would possibly be ok... once a month. | 16:10 |
| stahnma | I'll open the ticket with infra | 16:10 |
| stahnma | if we pass it | 16:10 |
| stahnma | :) | 16:10 |
| nirik | but testing is much more often. | 16:10 |
| nirik | Jeff_S: well, I suppose... how about updates that need operator attention? ie, mediawiki updates and you need to run a db upgrade script, or duplicity changes command line options. | 16:11 |
| stahnma | any opposition? | 16:11 |
| Jeff_S | nirik: that makes sense to me | 16:11 |
| * nirik is happy to moderate it... I already do the epel-devel list and some others. | 16:11 | |
| Jeff_S | if you add me on I'm glad to help | 16:11 |
| stahnma | me too | 16:12 |
| Jeff_S | we should aim to keep it as low traffic as possible IMO, otherwise people won't read it at all | 16:12 |
| nirik | Jeff_S: agreed. | 16:12 |
| stahnma | yes | 16:12 |
| nirik | so stable updates and only important announcements that end users might care about? | 16:12 |
| stahnma | I think so | 16:12 |
| maxamillion | no opposition here :) | 16:12 |
| nirik | make it so! :) | 16:13 |
| stahnma | ok | 16:13 |
| stahnma | filing ticket | 16:13 |
| Jeff_S | great | 16:13 |
| nirik | anything else on mailing list? or shall we move on? | 16:13 |
| stahnma | move on for me | 16:14 |
| *** nirik sets the channel topic to "EPEL meeting - bugs". | 16:14 | |
| nirik | so, epel bugs keep rising. ;) What would folks think about trying to organize a bug day or something so we could all try and fix things up... | 16:15 |
| nirik | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora%20EPEL&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=ON_DEV&bug_status=ON_QA&bug_status=RELEASE_PENDING&bug_status=POST&bug_status=FAILS_QA | 16:15 |
| buggbot | <http://tinyurl.com/dxq2hk> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) | 16:15 |
| Jeff_S | bug day could be nice | 16:15 |
| nirik | 118 bugs now. | 16:15 |
| Jeff_S | might get some more people helping out | 16:15 |
| stahnma | I've been meaning to grab some | 16:15 |
| stahnma | but failing at it | 16:15 |
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| nirik | some can probibly just be closed out... or some could have missing deps branched and built to fix missing deps. | 16:15 |
| nirik | anyone want to organize such a thing? ;) | 16:16 |
| stahnma | (ticket 1296 mailing list) | 16:16 |
| maxamillion | yeah, i could see that as being extremely helpful and possibly enable some coordination and possible co-maintainer creation for packages that need a little extra help | 16:16 |
| stahnma | I can send out a mail to the list | 16:16 |
| stahnma | and ask for dates and volunteers | 16:16 |
| nirik | I'd be happy to try and be available to do quick branches for missing deps... | 16:16 |
| stahnma | ok | 16:17 |
| Jeff_S | would someone like to suggest a day on the mailing list? I think it's a great idea | 16:17 |
| stahnma | I still think it's unclear on how to get fedora-packages branched for EPEL (sidenote) | 16:17 |
| nirik | I think we should have it far enough out that people could plan on it... | 16:17 |
| nirik | a few weeks at least. | 16:17 |
| stahnma | because sometimes you use a bug, sometimes people want email...sometimes it seems different still | 16:17 |
| Jeff_S | fine by me | 16:17 |
| nirik | thanks stahnma | 16:17 |
| stahnma | yeah, I'll do it | 16:18 |
| nirik | yeah, we should try and clarify it to one page on the wiki thats short and sweet. | 16:18 |
| nirik | or step by step or something easy to follow. | 16:18 |
| maxamillion | We are going to actually get a RedHat Satellite server here and we are making EPEL a channel in our Satellite server so packaging for EPEL will actually become part of my job since we will use it in production (more so than now) ... so bug days mon-fri would be great :) | 16:18 |
| Jeff_S | sorry but I've got to run to another meeting :( thanks, everyone for coming | 16:19 |
| nirik | maxamillion: cool. | 16:19 |
| stahnma | thanks Jeff_S! | 16:19 |
| nirik | thanks Jeff_S. See you next week at same time? ;) | 16:19 |
| stahnma | maxamillion: we are in a similar situation. | 16:19 |
| Jeff_S | yep, and I usually don't have other meetings around this time, so it should be good | 16:19 |
| *** nirik sets the channel topic to "EPEL meeting - koji/bodhi". | 16:20 | |
| nirik | dgilmore: you have any update on this? still trying to catch lmacken? | 16:20 |
| maxamillion | stahnma: sweet! :D | 16:20 |
| * SmootherFrOgZ is here (a bit late, sorry) | 16:20 | |
| maxamillion | i'm very excited to be able to work on packaging for the community at large as part of my daily duties | 16:20 |
| dgilmore | nirik: lmakcen updated the ticket | 16:20 |
| dgilmore | we have a list of things needed to be done | 16:21 |
| dgilmore | just need to do it | 16:21 |
| dgilmore | and test | 16:21 |
| stahnma | do you have ticket number? | 16:21 |
| SmootherFrOgZ | nirik: i proposed myself to help him getting things done | 16:21 |
| nirik | dgilmore: yeah, saw that. ;) We also need to import epel into koji and request a epel-releng1 instance? | 16:21 |
| stahnma | (just so I can learn) | 16:21 |
| * nirik is happy to help or test too. | 16:21 | |
| dgilmore | nirik: i need to make the epel-releng box | 16:21 |
| stahnma | will there be a separate epel-releng group too? | 16:21 |
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| dgilmore | we woint import epel into koji until we are ready to switch | 16:21 |
| dgilmore | so at least when we have the bodhi changes made | 16:22 |
| dgilmore | and teh releng box up | 16:22 |
| nirik | ok. | 16:22 |
| nirik | also, I guess we decided to stick to monthy stable pushes? or do we want to do them more often after the change? | 16:22 |
| dgilmore | https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1230 | 16:23 |
| stahnma | thanks | 16:23 |
| dgilmore | stahnma: there is a epel_signers group now | 16:23 |
| dgilmore | we probably should rename it to epel-releng | 16:23 |
| stahnma | ok | 16:23 |
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| SmootherFrOgZ | dgilmore: yes, that'd be great | 16:23 |
| dgilmore | nirik: im in favour of having maintainers push to stable when they think its ready | 16:24 |
| nirik | dgilmore: yeah. | 16:24 |
| stahnma | I am also | 16:24 |
| nirik | dgilmore: well, sure, but someone has to do the pushes... do we do them all the time? so small numbers of new stable packages all the time, or do we save them up and do a monthly push. | 16:24 |
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| SmootherFrOgZ | nirik: monthly | 16:25 |
| nirik | (except for security updates or urgent bugfixes, etc) | 16:25 |
| nirik | monthly is nice as people can plan for them all to arrive then. | 16:25 |
| stahnma | yes | 16:26 |
| SmootherFrOgZ | nirik: correct | 16:26 |
| SmootherFrOgZ | that's why we need bodhi :) | 16:26 |
| nirik | speaking of which, stable push next week. :) dgilmore can you prep that and push it? I can try but the last time I tried a push I got that weird createrepo error. ;( | 16:26 |
| dgilmore | nirik: i think small batches more often | 16:26 |
| dgilmore | maybe weekly | 16:27 |
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| dgilmore | nirik: sure, ill check with knurd he indicated he would do it | 16:27 |
| nirik | I am ok with more often if everyone else wants that... but that also means more traffic to the announce list. ;) | 16:27 |
| nirik | note that a maintainer saying 'push my update to stable' in bodhi, still waits for a signer to sign and push those packages... | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | nirik: with koji/bodhi it will be one email per package | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | not one per push | 16:28 |
| nirik | so with bodhi we get at least maintainers pushing instead of us just assuming something is ok after a month, but it doesn't need to change our push schedule. | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | right | 16:28 |
| nirik | just to clarify. | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | nirik: the email quantatity would be the same if we do weekly or monthly | 16:28 |
| nirik | one email per package? hum. I thought it did a single report on the push. | 16:29 |
| dgilmore | it will just be spread out more | 16:29 |
| dgilmore | nope | 16:29 |
| dgilmore | nirik: same as what happens with fedora updates | 16:29 |
| dgilmore | testing does one email per push | 16:29 |
| dgilmore | stable does one per package | 16:29 |
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| nirik | ah, thats what I was seeing: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg00063.html | 16:30 |
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| nirik | I think one email per push would be nicer. | 16:30 |
| dgilmore | nirik: you loose all the information on why the update was pushed | 16:31 |
| nirik | the problem with spreading out the stable pushes more would be that people are expecting all of them on the 1st of the month, and might be surprised when a package they use shows up in stable some other time. | 16:31 |
| dgilmore | or you end up with a large ungodly email | 16:31 |
| nirik | that seems to have update info in it. | 16:32 |
| nirik | yeah, it's a big email. | 16:32 |
| dgilmore | nirik: 50/100 packages == big email | 16:32 |
| nirik | sure, but if we do one email per package, perhaps we should have a epel-package-announce or something for that... | 16:33 |
| dgilmore | maybe yeah | 16:35 |
| dgilmore | then a summary email could be sent to epel-announce | 16:35 |
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| nirik | I guess we can ask on the list and see what people prefer. I can do that. | 16:36 |
| stahnma | ok | 16:36 |
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| nirik | ok, anything else on koji/bodhi? | 16:36 |
| nirik | or do we want to assume we should get a epel-package-announce for those emails? | 16:37 |
| maxamillion | i want it running yesterday? | 16:37 |
| nirik | where does fedora send those bodhi emails? | 16:37 |
| maxamillion | nirik: we might want to do that | 16:37 |
| dgilmore | nirik: fedora-package-announce | 16:37 |
| maxamillion | oh ok ... so that's taken care of :) | 16:38 |
| dgilmore | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-March/thread.html | 16:38 |
| nirik | ok, should we just request that list now? or what do people think about updates announcements? | 16:38 |
| stahnma | well, perhaps we should wait until it's a need | 16:38 |
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| stahnma | we might think of of something better between now and the time bodhi/koji is live | 16:39 |
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| nirik | ok, fair enough. | 16:40 |
| *** nirik sets the channel topic to "EPEL meeting - Open Floor". | 16:40 | |
| nirik | I don't think I have anything else... does anyone else? | 16:40 |
| SmootherFrOgZ | stahnma: we can also point our current push-notification to that new list | 16:40 |
| dgilmore | nirik: epel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org has been created | 16:41 |
| nirik | SmootherFrOgZ: the stable ones? | 16:41 |
| nirik | dgilmore: cool. | 16:41 |
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| SmootherFrOgZ | nirik: stable or both as you want | 16:41 |
| nirik | I think the testing ones are good to stay on the devel list. | 16:42 |
| dgilmore | nirik: i agree | 16:42 |
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| SmootherFrOgZ | k | 16:42 |
| stahnma | I don't have antyhing else | 16:42 |
| nirik | lets see what we can think of before bodhi is live... | 16:42 |
| stahnma | at least right now | 16:42 |
| dgilmore | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/epel-announce | 16:42 |
| stahnma | unless anybody wants to maintain python-twisted | 16:42 |
| nirik | oh wait, I had one more. | 16:43 |
| nirik | If anyone is interested in going to some of the SIGs... like perl-sig or some others and asking if they want to try and get more packages in epel that might be good. | 16:43 |
| stahnma | I've worked with a few of the perl-SIG guys a few times | 16:44 |
| stahnma | I can try | 16:44 |
| stahnma | not sure about python, R, KDE, etc | 16:44 |
| * nirik has enough packages, thanks. ;) | 16:44 | |
| maxamillion | stahnma: i don't necessarily *want* python-twisted because i've been told it can be a pain to package, i know a number of people who use it through EPEL so if it is needed, i could take it | 16:44 |
| stahnma | same for me | 16:44 |
| stahnma | :) | 16:44 |
| stahnma | we need some good co-maintainers | 16:45 |
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| stahnma | who are willing to take on EPEL packages | 16:45 |
| stahnma | I think we have a hole there | 16:45 |
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| nirik | fair enough. | 16:45 |
| nirik | ok, I can't think of anything else. I will mail epel-devel about how often people would like stable pushes after bodhi. | 16:46 |
| nirik | yeah, more co-maintainers would be always nice. | 16:46 |
| stahnma | ok | 16:46 |
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| maxamillion | stahnma: i would be willing to co-maintain depending on the package .... i'm willing to comaintain anything i am either familiar with or is written in a language i'm familiar enough with to pick up in case i need to patch | 16:47 |
| stahnma | ok | 16:47 |
| stahnma | we have a few things that need branching and maintainers | 16:47 |
| stahnma | really, I'll look through the list/bugs | 16:47 |
| maxamillion | i'm comfortable with C and Python for just jumping in | 16:48 |
| nirik | stahnma: you have a list? I could possibly pick up a few depending on what they werere. | 16:48 |
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| stahnma | I don't right now...but I can make one | 16:48 |
| stahnma | list == mailing list in this case | 16:49 |
| stahnma | and I know I have thrown together dozens of RPMs in my $DAYJOB satellite that I wish were in EPEL (pulled from Fedora and rebuilt) | 16:49 |
| stahnma | if I chase all that down, it could help | 16:49 |
| stahnma | Ok, are we done? | 16:51 |
| stahnma | END | 16:51 |
| nirik | yeah. | 16:51 |
| nirik | ok, anyone have anything else, or shall we adjorn? | 16:52 |
| stahnma | I'll send IRC log | 16:52 |
| nirik | thanks for coming everyone... see you all next week? | 16:52 |
| stahnma | hope so! | 16:52 |
| nirik | oh shoot. I just thought of another thing: for tag requests with koji, should we re-use relengs trac, or make our own? or use some other method? | 16:53 |
| nirik | stahnma: cool. If you could upload it to the wiki too that would be great. | 16:53 |
| stahnma | oh yeah, there is some html parser or color coder | 16:53 |
| stahnma | or something | 16:53 |
| stahnma | I am supposed to use | 16:53 |
| dgilmore | nirik: probably epel-releng | 16:54 |
| SmootherFrOgZ | i'd say epel-releng with own trac | 16:54 |
| SmootherFrOgZ | dgilmore: +1 | 16:54 |
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| nirik | stahnma: yum install irclog2html; irclog2html -s mediawiki log.txt ; paste the log.txt.html file into the wiki in Meetings:EPEL_2009-03-27 | 16:55 |
| nirik | dgilmore: yeah, likely best. Or we could do them on epel-devel. ;) | 16:55 |
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