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| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | blocker list: <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Blocker&hide_resolved=1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Blocker&hide_resolved=1</a> | <a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a> | |
| wwoods | woo meeting | <a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a> |
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| wwoods | I think we're ~2 weeks from doing the serious final spin | <a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a> |
| rdieter | woo indeed | <a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a> |
| wwoods | I need to gather some better metrics but it looks like we have ~52 blockers | <a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a> |
| wwoods | 33 on the list, 24 children, 5 blockers | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| wwoods | 33+24-5=52 | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| wwoods | a *lot* of them are in MODIFIED | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| wwoods | which is really good | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| f13 | yeah, and a lot have been closed too recently | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| wwoods | yup | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| f13 | I've been watching the closures | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| wwoods | yeah it's been steady | <a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a> |
| * f13 stares at the rawhide compose process that is /still/ going. | <a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a> | |
| wwoods | I've been closing a couple a day | <a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a> |
| wwoods | unfortunately we've also been adding a couple a day, so.. | <a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a> |
| f13 | some of those are dubious "blockers" | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| f13 | maybe I need to be better at doing punt->target | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| f13 | problem is if it's not on the blocker, some developers don't feel the need to get it done for F9 | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| f13 | but maybe that's not my problem to worry about | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| wwoods | maybe we need to message that better | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| cebbert | both of the kernel blockers that are left are kind of dubious | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| f13 | cebbert: feel free to toss them over at F9Target | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| cebbert | one looks like it might be broken hardware | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| wwoods | Target = "We really want this for F9 and will accept freeze breaks for it. But we won't delay the release any further if you don't fix it." | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| wwoods | Blocker = "We can't release unless this is fixed." | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| rdieter | I cheated, and added a pet bug or 2 to f9blocker, in the hopes of at least getting a maintainer comment. | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| wwoods | we'll play a little good QA guy / bad QA guy | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| wwoods | WE CAN'T RELEASE UNTIL THIS IS FIXED. MAINTAINER, YOUR ASS IS ON THE LINE HERE | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| wwoods | "oh now rdieter, don't be so hasty..." | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| wwoods | etc. | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| wwoods | anyway, which 2 bugs? | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| rdieter | <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443320">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443320</a> | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| buggbot | Bug 443320: low, low, ---, Kristian Høgsberg, ASSIGNED , Cannot enter keyboard input into kdm after logout | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| wwoods | seeing as we have >50 bugs and 10 work days to fix 'em all, I'm anxious to be sure they're *seriously* blockers at this point | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| rdieter | <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427383">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427383</a> | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| wwoods | ah, see, that's really nasty | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| buggbot | Bug 427383: high, medium, ---, Adam Jackson, ASSIGNED , xorg-x11-drv-vesa causes KDE 4 to crash (on some hardware) | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| wwoods | I'd consider that first one a blocker. -vesa... is.. different | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| rdieter | the 1st one is my main concern. | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| wwoods | I'd want ajax's opinion. which is usually: "If you're using -vesa you've already lost" | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| rdieter | :) nod | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| rdieter | I'd be happy with any comment, even that one. | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| f13 | ajax said he's making good progress on the f9-x-blockers. | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| f13 | and just going through them one at a time | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| wwoods | yeah, he hasn't been complaining about massive impending doom | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| cebbert | I reported bug 443729 last night; it seems some others are hitting nearly the same problem | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443729">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443729</a> high, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, NEW , Cannot install preview release to encrypted partition | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| wwoods | cebbert: sounds like bug 439633 | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=439633">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=439633</a> low, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, NEEDINFO , F9-Beta anaconda crash with PVCreateError | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| wwoods | (which is on the blocker list) | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| * jds2001 sits in the back | <a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a> | |
| wwoods | it's possible that udev hasn't created /dev/mapper/luks-sda2 yet | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| wwoods | udev races are fuuuuun | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| jeremy | not really | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| jeremy | ;) | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| wwoods | you might try the debugging stuff as suggested in 439633 (check for udevd / device node) | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| wwoods | fun with a capital F-U | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| wwoods | oh, and I reproduced the notorious "Assertion c->xlib.lock' failed." bug | <a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a> |
| wwoods | with vinagre, oddly | <a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a> |
| wwoods | should be fixed, but the package hasn't hit rawhide yet | <a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a> |
| wwoods | okay so. rdieter, I think you can ping ajax if you want a comment about keeping that -vesa bug as a blocker or not | <a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a> |
| wwoods | anything that's in MODIFIED should be retested and closed ASAP | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| wwoods | jds2001: if something's in MODIFIED, but the patch doesn't fix the bug | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| rdieter | shrug, I think I'll move it to F9Target, ajax has bigger fish to fry. | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| wwoods | does it go back to ASSIGNED or just stay in MODIFIED? | <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a> |
| wwoods | rdieter: well, the thing is, lots of reviewers use qemu+live image to test | <a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a> |
| wwoods | so if that is busted, things look bad | <a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a> |
| rdieter | qemu uses cirrus now, not vesa. (apparently VirtualBox uses vesa still tho) | <a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a> |
| wwoods | ohhhh | <a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a> |
| rdieter | I'll ping ajax, hear what he has to say. | <a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a> |
| poelcat | wwoods: 'not fixed' should be in ASSIGNED | <a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a> |
| jds2001 | wwoods: it should go back to MODIFIED | <a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a> |
| poelcat | lol | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| jds2001 | oops | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| jds2001 | multitasking | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| poelcat | jds2001: what? | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| wwoods | ack. was using bugzilla wrong. we actually have 64 blockers. | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| jds2001 | try go back to ASSIGNED :) | <a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a> |
| wwoods | k, gotcha | <a href="#t12:07" class="time">12:07</a> |
| wwoods | I don't have any special advice on working on the blockers, and I really don't want to run through all 64 | <a href="#t12:07" class="time">12:07</a> |
| wwoods | if you've got stuff you find questionable, either punt to F9Target or bring it to #fedora-qa and we'll discuss | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| wwoods | but really, the blocker list should only contain things we would delay the release if it was left unfixed | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| wwoods | things for which .. | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| jds2001 | agreed. | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| wwoods | so.. yeah. keep an eye on 'em? everything seems to be going OK, though | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> |
| * jds2001 has been somewhat agressive removing things | <a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a> | |
| wwoods | and now, a quick word about RCs | <a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a> |
| wwoods | so, the RC images will not typically be made public | <a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a> |
| wwoods | but that's OK 'cuz anyone who actually wants to test stuff with images can build their own | <a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a> |
| wwoods | if there's anything *really* important we might put some up on the torrent server | <a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a> |
| jds2001 | yep, i do that anyways | <a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a> |
| wwoods | but, for the most part, I think RHT-internal people will take care of the media-based testcases | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> |
| * f13 points out FreeBSD where the binaries themselves aren't relaly made public for release testing, releases consisit fo building everything from source on a workstation the day of release | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> | |
| f13 | well, if my reading of their release engineering guide is correct | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> |
| * rdieter shudders | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> | |
| wwoods | unless you're testing media-based stuff, 99% of the time testing rawhide is *exactly* the same as testing whatever RC we have floating around | <a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a> |
| wwoods | when we make a first actual RC I'll have a test results page available | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| wwoods | and the community folks are welcomed and encouraged to test and fill in squares on the matrix, as always | <a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a> |
| wwoods | I'll make a post to -devel-list and -test-list when that happens | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| wwoods | but I just want to make sure everything's clear | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| wwoods | we aren't hiding anything and we aren't preventing participation | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| wwoods | we're dividing up the work in a way that makes sense | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| jds2001 | wwoods: does it matter if we use pungi to build images and fill in image-based results? | <a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a> |
| wwoods | jds2001: as long as you're using the same ks + tree, that should be perfectly acceptable | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
| jds2001 | k | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
| wwoods | f13: /usr/share/fedora-release/rawhide-fedora.ks is still the canonical ks for images, right? | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
| wwoods | will that get an update when we update fedora-release for the RC, or will there be a new file? | <a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: it'll be named appropriately in fedora-release | <a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a> |
| f13 | and the F-9 package of pungi will also gain an appropriately named copy | <a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a> |
| wwoods | f13: gotcha | <a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a> |
| wwoods | how likely is it that we'll have rc-specific changes that we'll need to put on a web page or something? | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| wwoods | or is the ks basically stable at this point | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| wwoods | and using the packaged one will always be preferred? | <a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a> |
| f13 | using the packaged one is preferred, and if we do have to make last minute changes, it'll be commited to the upstream source control so we can point people there | <a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a> |
| wwoods | gotcha | <a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a> |
| wwoods | I'll make a note of that on the matrix page, for testers who want to produce their own images | <a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a> |
| wwoods | okay then - anything else we want to discuss? is the plan for the next couple of weeks clear? | <a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a> |
| wwoods | f13: is the schedule accurate for when we're going to start producing RCs? | <a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: I do believe so. however that Friday is going to be.. interesting. We're supposed to be moving offices | <a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a> |
| f13 | depending on when the move happens is when the first RC starts getting composed | <a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a> |
| wwoods | oh crap, right | <a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a> |
| wwoods | well have fun with that | <a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a> |
| f13 | I may be able to spin up something thursday after I land and quickly sync it off somewhere that will be available for testing during the move | <a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a> |
| wwoods | but we plan to start making RCs at the end of next week. | <a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a> |
| wwoods | okay, so yeah. this week and next week: clean up blocker list, retest as much as possible, etc. | <a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a> |
| wwoods | end of next week: RC1 | <a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a> |
| wwoods | that's when I'll make the testing matrix | <a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a> |
| wwoods | and we'll shift priorities from Blocker Triage to Release Testing | <a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a> |
| jds2001 | and we'll still get accused of not testing :) | <a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a> |
| wwoods | then we will summarily kick the ass of the testing and release Fedora 9 to deafening applause, choirs of angels, &c | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| wwoods | ha. yes. | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| jds2001 | sounds great! :) | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| wwoods | Fedora QA (which does not exist) | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| wwoods | will test Red Hat's desktop product (which also does not exist) | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| jds2001 | lol | <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a> |
| wwoods | this sure is a lot of work for something that doesn't exist | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| wwoods | but I guess it's OK 'cuz I don't exist either | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| wwoods | anyway, enough nonsense. any other actual discussion topics? | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| wwoods | otherwise: meeting ends in 60s | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| f13 | there is no fpoon | <a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a> |
| wwoods | indeed | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
| wwoods | thanks all | <a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a> |
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