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| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA meeting | init | <a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a> | |
| wwoods | hi. who's here for the QA meeting? anyone? | <a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a> |
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| rdieter | bueller? (here) | <a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a> |
| wwoods | Off the top of my head I don't think I have any new business | <a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a> |
| wwoods | other than going over the blocker list again | <a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a> |
| wwoods | rdieter: how's KDE lookin'? | <a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a> |
| wwoods | fwah. somehow we're up to 17 blockers in NE | <a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a> |
| wwoods | NEW | <a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a> |
| rdieter | wwoods: fair | <a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a> |
| wwoods | f13: ping - did rawhide go out? | <a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a> |
| rdieter | still no movement on my pet bug: <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/443320">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/443320</a> , may need to put in the "restart x on logout hack" to workaround in the meantime | <a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a> |
| rdieter | how much time do we have left for fixes to make f9-final ? | <a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a> |
| wwoods | rdieter: ajax made some noise about it being easy to merge | <a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a> |
| wwoods | we begin spinning RCs this week | <a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a> |
| wwoods | we really need fixes this week if they're gonna get any sort of testing | <a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a> |
| rdieter | I'd feel better not shipping a broken RC. | <a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a> |
| wwoods | we don't really ship RCs | <a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a> |
| wwoods | so that's a moot point | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| rdieter | well s/ship/spin/ | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| wwoods | and then it all depends on your definition of "broken" | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| wwoods | naturally I'd feel better if we fixed all 67 open blockers | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| wwoods | but I don't think that's gonna happen | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| rdieter | broken = bug not fixed (or worked around) | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| rdieter | of course. | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| wwoods | right, but the workaround is a one-line config-file fix | <a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a> |
| wwoods | it's really easy to drop into place | <a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a> |
| wwoods | so let's ping ajax and see if he has an ETA for merging that fix | <a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a> |
| wwoods | well, more an ETA for a build that includes it, since I'm sure he's getting fixes from all over | <a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a> |
| rdieter | thx, enough on me and that, anything else that mere mortals can look at and help with? :) | <a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a> |
| wwoods | well | <a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a> |
| wwoods | bug 443445 | <a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed. | <a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a> |
| wwoods | completely breaks updates and there's no forward movement on it | <a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a> |
| rdieter | is that what Richard's recent builds help, or is that just other stuff? | <a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a> |
| wwoods | other stuff | <a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a> |
| wwoods | he wasn't aware that you need to import keys on new installs | <a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a> |
| rdieter | ugh, scary. | <a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a> |
| wwoods | yeah. no shit. | <a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a> |
| wwoods | nobody's suggested a workaround and the proper fix requires backporting huge chunks of code | <a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a> |
| wwoods | jeremy: you're not gonna like this but.. can we get anaconda to import the standard keys at install-time? | <a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a> |
| wwoods | hell I'll write the code if it helps, I'm just asking if that idea is feasible | <a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: from where kimo sabe? | <a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a> |
| wwoods | heh. aren't they in fedora-release? | <a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a> |
| wwoods | couldn't we install fedora-release on the stage2 image | <a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a> |
| jeremy | so you want me to import every key included in fedora-release? also that doesn't fix the bloody problem | <a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a> |
| wwoods | it doesn't? | <a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a> |
| jeremy | as users might, you know, want to add other repos | <a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a> |
| rdieter | well, it's a bandaid, for sure. | <a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a> |
| jeremy | and having fedora-release on the stage2 image doesn't do anything to help -- you still need to know _which_ keys to import | <a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a> |
| jeremy | which would require anaconda to grow all the support for parsing what the installed system's yum config ends up being | <a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a> |
| jeremy | and there's absolutely no way I trust writing that code today for a release candidate tomorrow | <a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a> |
| wwoods | in anaconda we've still got pirut(ish) - can we use its 'import key' dialog for that? | <a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a> |
| wwoods | yeah :/ | <a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a> |
| jeremy | anaconda has a glade file and some UI code. not pirut-ish | <a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a> |
| wwoods | blerg | <a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a> |
| wwoods | yeah we need an impromptu FESCo meeting or something | <a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a> |
| wwoods | this needs to be sorted out. immediately. | <a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a> |
| * rdieter found hughsie in #fedora-desktop, invited him over here. | <a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a> | |
| wwoods | it's not really QA's job to fix it, and we kind of know what the options are | <a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a> |
| wwoods | we just need to discuss 'em and pick the best one | <a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a> |
| wwoods | that's kind of a FESCo matter.. I think | <a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a> |
| * jeremy was really about to walk out the door so that he can, you know, eat lunch before class. but I'll stick around I guess :-/ | <a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a> | |
| wwoods | jeremy: you gonna be gone the rest of the day, then? | <a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: there is absolutely zero infrastructure for this in anaconda... getting it to work for all of the install paths is almost guaranteed to be doomed :( | <a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a> |
| hughsie | hi | <a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a> |
| wwoods | okay, so anaconda's no good | <a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: yeah, today is an afternoon of hosage | <a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a> |
| rdieter | hughsie: just discussing lovely bug #bug 443445 and brainstorming options | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed. | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| wwoods | which leaves: a) massive backports in PackageKit, b) hack together pirut-based workaround | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: did you see my mail this morning? | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: no, hang on | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: <a href="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589979">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589979</a> and <a href="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589973">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589973</a> | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: b would still require PackageKit changes.... | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: it's not pretty, but sortof worked | <a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: mail to where? | <a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a> |
| rdieter | rel-eng | <a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a> |
| wwoods | doh! threading fools me again | <a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: :-) | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: thanks for making a quick hack at this. | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: I thought you had seen that and weren't happy with it | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| jeremy | bah! | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| wwoods | okay, so as not to keep jeremy malnourished | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| rdieter | jeremy: eat! | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: the UI is the worst you've ever seen, but it seems to work for me. to avoid breaking abi and api in 0.1.x i reused an unused method that looked a bit similar..... | <a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: i'm thining of pushing out 0.2.1 to updates testing in a few weeks | <a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a> |
| wwoods | bad UI beats no UI, at least for things like this | <a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a> |
| hughsie | as that looks beautiful for this sort of thing | <a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: that's fine | <a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: if you could test it i would appreciate it | <a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: i'm just building another gpk for #441755 | <a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a> |
| wwoods | yeah we'll test these and if things are no good I'll track you down again | <a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: oh - is there a feature roadmap for gpk etc. anywhere? we get reports / bugs about things that I know are planned features | <a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a> |
| wwoods | e.g. installing multiple packages at once | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: no, but that's a good idea. i'll hack one up now. | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| wwoods | both from gpk-application or system-install-packages | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| hughsie | well, one implies the other - gpk-install-package is a trivial fix when we expand the api... | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| wwoods | it would be helpful if I had some documentation that showed that, yes, these are planned | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| wwoods | right | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| wwoods | but we get separate bugs about 'em | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| wwoods | :/ | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: cool, give me 15 | <a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a> |
| * rdieter is installing test pk builds now. | <a href="#t11:37" class="time">11:37</a> | |
| wwoods | hughsie: so the PK tracker has: bug 438868 | <a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=438868">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=438868</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, MODIFIED , pk-install-file requires network access to install local files | <a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a> |
| wwoods | you mentioned a fix building for bug 441755 | <a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441755">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441755</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, MODIFIED , gpk-application hangs on "other" group | <a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a> |
| wwoods | and we're working on bug 443445 | <a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed. | <a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a> |
| wwoods | that leaves bug 442223 up in the air | <a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442223">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442223</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , gpk-update-viewer gets stuck on "Getting information" | <a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: that's on my totdo for tonight | <a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a> |
| wwoods | k. I'll make a note of it on the bug. | <a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a> |
| wwoods | oop. and now there's bug 441127 | <a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a> |
| buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441127">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441127</a> medium, medium, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , PackageKit ignores user preferences | <a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a> |
| wwoods | back in action | <a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: that shuld be fixed - i can't reproduce that myself | <a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a> |
| G__81 | hi I joined the Fedora project as a contributor last week and i ve already started off with bug triagging which i like to do and would continue to do too now how do i take my contribution to the next level. Any clues would be really helpful. | <a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a> |
| G__81 | i was sponsored by wwoods for the fedora account :) | <a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: would you have a day (or evening or whatev) this week to do a PackageKit Bug Day? | <a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a> |
| G__81 | hi wwoods thanks for sponsoring me :) | <a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: probably won't be much more IRC traffic than usual, just idling in #fedora-qa and people who have PK bugs can come by and we'll help get them filed or set the reporter straight | <a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: sure, by evening do you mean EST time? | <a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a> |
| hughsie | I'm GMT+1 here | <a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: depends on what you'd like to do - testing proposed updates for the stable releases is really helpful | <a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: whichever works for you - it's hard to say where the majority of reporters are, but my gut says they're centered around US Eastern | <a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a> |
| G__81 | wwoods, i have a single system a laptop which runs Fedora 8 can i use that alone to do it . That's my system that i use daily i could fix bugs in some packages and help testing some packages too | <a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: okay, late night it is then :-) | <a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: sure - enable the updates-testing repository and check out <a href="http://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/">http://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/</a> | <a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: heh. sorry for the short notice on this, but it seems like you work typical engineer hours (10am to "oh crap I should get dinner") | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| wwoods | so I didn't think it would be too much of a hardship to ask if you'd mind staying late one day | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: bodhi is the system that the developers use to push out newly-built packages for testing | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: it's no problem at all | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: i seem to work 18 hour days as it is :-) | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| G__81 | yup sure i ll do that but i just want to reconfirm whether updates-testing is enabled or not so how do i make sure its enabled | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: so log in and check out the Fedora 8 Testing packages - if there's something you use, install it from updates-testing | <a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a> |
| wwoods | test it out and report whether it works or not | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| G__81 | yup sure | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| G__81 | will do that | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: the easy way is to run pirut (add/remove software) and use the Repo editor in the menu | <a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: yeah, you really do seem to work 18 hours a day | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: well, i move in with my g/f soon - that will have to be curtailed a little :-) | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| wwoods | hughsie: ha. yes, understood | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| skvidal | wwoods: earlier when you mentioned grub --once not working - was that on xen or on an actual system? | <a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a> |
| wwoods | skvidal: actual system | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| skvidal | hmm, darn | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| skvidal | oka | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| skvidal | y | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| wwoods | well let's see. thursday or monday? monday's the 5th already. awful close to release. | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| skvidal | I noticed that the --once trick doesn't work on xen | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| G__81 | wwoods, i also wanna be part of the cvsextras team and i got an email stating that there should be a sponsor for that and the same for ambassador but then i created an account in the wiki page but i ve not got any mail after that anything else should i do for that? | <a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: cvsextras is mostly for packaging, which has a different set of rules for sponsorship etc. | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| rdieter | testing: gnome-packagekit, gpk-application works (prompts). gpk-install-package does not. intended or oversight/bug? | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| wwoods | I don't think I can sponsor people for that - I'm not a very good packager :/ | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| G__81 | how about for bug-fixing is there a separate group or account ? | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: bug fixing is a packaging thing | <a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a> |
| G__81 | oh ! | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| G__81 | i wanna be part of that :) can someone take me into it :) ? | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| G__81 | i am very much interested in testing and bug fixing part | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| wwoods | it requires putting new patches in packages and rebuilding them and stuff. Usually it's easiest to start out by filing bugs and attaching patches to the bug | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| wwoods | that's how I get bug fixes done | <a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a> |
| G__81 | i currently triag bugs which i really like doing and i want to go ahead by testing and then fixing bugs thats my short term goal :) | <a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: it's a good goal! | <a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a> |
| wwoods | anyway, we're a bit off-topic here | <a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a> |
| G__81 | i know i am sorry for that | <a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a> |
| rdieter | hughsie: ? | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| hughsie | rdieter: hey | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| rdieter | [10:56] <rdieter> testing: gnome-packagekit, gpk-application works (prompts). gpk-install-package does not. intended or oversight/bug? | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| hughsie | ahh, sorry, too many irc windows | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| wwoods | Unless there's any more stuff relating to the blocker list for F9, we should end the meeting (I think there's another meeting at 12 local time) | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| hughsie | well, just not hecked in | <a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a> |
| rdieter | wwoods: +1 | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| hughsie | rdieter: in master we've solved this properly | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| G__81 | wwoods, in the Bodhi repository there is a link which says stable so should i click on that and download a package and start testing it and report bugs ? | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| wwoods | rdieter: we can continue this in #packagekit | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| rdieter | hughsie: thx. | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| G__81 | wwoods, and report bugs in Bugzilla is that all ? | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| hughsie | wwoods: you mean #PackageKit | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| wwoods | G__81: let's continue in #fedora-qa | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| G__81 | sure | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
| wwoods | ending the meeting now. thanks for your time, folks | <a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a> |
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