Attendees

People present (lines said):

jlaska (155)
adamw (71)
kparal (22)
robatino (14)
Oxf13 (14)
jskladan (13)
zodbot (5)
pjones (4)
hicham (3)
lmacken (2)
Viking-Ice (2)
Southern_Gentlem (1)

Regrets:

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

jlaska will discuss CommonBugs entry for RHBZ #552423 with halfline
COMPLETED - Updated Common_F13_bugs#gnome-panel-crash
Adamw will propose a document 'What do proventesters test for'?
COMPLETED - Drafted User:Adamwill/Draft_proventesters_instructions and will send to mailing list for review this week
jlaska to check-in with lmacken on the status of https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424
INPROGRESS - Have not yet heard back from lmacken, he might be away?

lmacken is swamped this week, but will respond time permitting
Someone needs to check with bodhi on when 'proventester' karma is required for critpath packages
Same as above
jlaska to update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join to include link to proventester page
COMPLETED - adamw posted several updates to QA, QA/Join and QA:Updates_Testing

jlaska was still a bit confused about several items on QA/Join and took an action to post changes to the list for feedback
adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future
No updates this week, keep on for next week
jlaska to add autoqa FIXME links for a wiki page describing how to update repoinfo.conf when branched release is available, linked from the existing branched SOP pages
COMPLETED - Updated How_to_update_AutoQA_repoinfo.conf, currently included in Category:AutoQA

Fedora 13 QA Retrospective

Owner - User:Jlaska
Summary: Jlaska organized Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective feedback into a list of QA recommendations for Fedora 14.
Next steps...: Need to clean up the page a bit, but expect to send this to the list for comments by Wednesday.

Proventester status

Owner - User:Maxamillion
Summary: Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft. We have several TRAC requests to join the proventesters group. User:Adamwill asked whether we can start processing proventesters requests. What's next, and who is needed to take it there?
Next steps

Review and finalize adamw's proventesters instructions document (see User:Adamwill/Draft_proventesters_instructions)
Waiting on feedback from lmacken on the status of https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424 and re-enabling proventester karma for critpath packages

AutoQA initscripts test validation

Owner - User:Jskladan
Summary: Josef asked for help in validating a new round of SysVinitscript AutoQA tests. See announcement and instructions and blog. Progress continues, and more help is needed to close out this task.
Next steps...: Continue to support volunteers

AutoQA

Owner - User:kparal
Summary: The immediate goal is to automate the QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan. The team met and discussed task priorities and agreed on the following prioritization
Next steps...

jlaska - set up testing instance of autotest-server
jlaska - find a machine where resultdb may run (it can be VM, publicly accessible preferred)
INPROGRESS - awaiting additional access details for qa1.fedoraproject.org. Fedora-infrastructure has enabled access to existing QA hardware.
kparal - implement *quick* virtualization support -- autoqa ticket#181
jskladan, wwoods - bodhi hook needs to be tested -- autoqa ticket#87
jskladan, kparal, wwoods - continue implementing and testing resultdb -- autoqa ticket#145

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Fedora 14 desktop testing

Owner - User:Adamwill
Summary: Adam informed the team that he was working on expanding the desktop test coverage for Fedora 14 to, in addition to GNOME, include KDE, XFCE and LXDE.
Next steps ...: Expects to have tests out to the mailing list for review soon

AutoQA Media Kit Sanity

Owner - User:Liam
Summary: Liam has been working to automate the media kit sanity tests (see Category:Installer_Image_Sanity_Test_Cases)
Next steps ...: Continue to refine test; User:robatino asked if the tests were also comparing the actual ISO size with the ISO header size (see RHBZ #585006).

Fedora-13-x86_64-DVD.iso boot problems

Owner - User:Adamwill

Summary

Adam noted that there are several reports of the Fedora-13-x86_64-DVD.iso failing to boot for users on fedoraforums.org ^[1] ^[2] ^[3]

↑ http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=245321

↑ http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1364323

↑ http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=245844

The Fedora-13-x86_64-Live.iso and Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso both work, but for some reason the x86_64 DVD does not.
Next steps ...: Please direct further discussion to RHBZ #597283

Upcoming QA events

2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #1
2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2

Action items

jlaska to propose a clean-up of the Critical Path Packages wiki to be a suitable home for critpath information

IRC Transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Jun 14 15:00:15 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
adamw	yo	15:00
jlaska	#topic Gathering critical mass	15:00
jlaska	adamw: howdy	15:00
hicham	i wan't to talk about drafting mozilla addons packaging guidelines	15:01
hicham	there are none for the moment	15:01
jlaska	we'll be without wwoods today	15:01
* kparal waves		15:02
* jskladan is here!		15:02
jlaska	hicham: You're welcome to discuss that topic in the open floor. But just a heads up, this is the quality assurance meeting, you probably want to raise that topic with the package reviewers?	15:02
jlaska	howdy kparal jskladan	15:02
jlaska	wwoods is on PTO today, and hopefully public holiday for Liam and Rhe	15:02
hicham	jlaska : is there another meeting for that ?	15:02
adamw	i think that'd be devel group stuff? is there an official devel group meeting?	15:02
jlaska	I was going to suggest sending your questions to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/packaging	15:03
jlaska	I've seen a lot of similar discussion topics there.	15:03
jlaska	adamw: would you suggest the devel mailing list?	15:03
jlaska	hicham: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join#Join_the_important_Mailing_Lists	15:04
jlaska	hicham: specifically, I think you might be looking for http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Committee#Guideline_Change_Procedure	15:04
adamw	no, you seem right with packaging list.	15:04
jlaska	alright, let's get started	15:05
* adamw feels like a Kafka character		15:05
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:05
jlaska	#info jlaska will discuss CommonBugs entry for RHBZ #552423 with halfline	15:06
jlaska	#info Completed, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#gnome-panel-crash	15:06
adamw	i believe you should take your issue to Committee 493, Subcommittee 2398-A	15:06
jlaska	adamw: :)	15:06
jlaska	#info adamw will propose a document 'What do proventesters test for?'	15:06
adamw	done!	15:07
adamw	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_proventesters_instructions	15:07
jlaska	saweeet!	15:07
adamw	it's mostly just talking points for now	15:07
adamw	i'm not happy with how word-y it is	15:07
adamw	but if people think it's going in the right direction, i'll make it tighter with a second draft	15:08
jlaska	adamw: awesome, thanks for drafting. I'll queue up for a post-meeting read	15:08
adamw	i'll post it to the ml after the meeting	15:08
jlaska	thanks	15:08
kparal	with quick read it sounds good	15:08
jlaska	#info jlaska to check-in with lmacken on the status of https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424	15:09
adamw	thanks kparal	15:09
jlaska	I've sufficiently annoyed lmacken by email, so I'll wait to hear back.	15:09
jlaska	Unless anyone else has updates on when bodhi karma will be re-enabled for critpath updates	15:09
adamw	nup.	15:10
lmacken	jlaska: sorry, i'm teaching professors all week.. I'll get back to you soon :)	15:10
jlaska	lmacken: no worries, you're always quick to respond ... so I assumed you were swamped	15:10
jlaska	lmacken: I'll turn off annoy mode for now! :D	15:10
adamw	or velociraptored	15:10
jlaska	heh	15:11
jlaska	this next item was really a follow-up to the above	15:11
jlaska	#info Someone needs to check with bodhi on when 'proventester' karma is required for critpath packages	15:11
* lmacken on a conference call with the NY State senate now... 230 conference call with Yahoo!... just hired 2 co-ops that we're mentoring today, and teaching RIT profs all week... a little busy :)		15:11
* Viking-Ice sneaks in a bit late as usual..		15:11
jlaska	lmacken: no kidding, very cool!	15:11
jlaska	Welcome Viking-Ice :)	15:11
jlaska	next ...	15:11
jlaska	#info jlaska to update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join to include link to proventester page	15:11
jlaska	well, adamw did this for me already!	15:12
adamw	oh, i thought that was on my list =)	15:12
adamw	yeah, i've updated various places in the wiki	15:12
jlaska	I was going to ask about some thoughts on cleaning up the QA/Join page	15:12
jlaska	but adamw went to town on this	15:12
adamw	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Updates_Testing are all updated	15:12
jlaska	adamw: awesome, thank you :)	15:12
adamw	i noticed on the way through we should probably update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages_Proposal too	15:13
adamw	currently it talks about	15:13
jlaska	I'll send some thoughts I had on cleaning up QA/Join to the mailing list	15:13
adamw	'qa/releng' doing the testing	15:13
jlaska	adamw: ah, good catch	15:13
jlaska	should we keep the 'proposal unchanged' and move stuff to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages ?	15:14
jlaska	anyway, we can talk about that further post-meeting	15:15
kparal	we should link rather to final page than to proposal	15:15
kparal	which we do not :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Critical_Path_Packages_Proposal	15:15
jlaska	yeah, that was my sense	15:15
adamw	the thing is, the 'final' page is completely different	15:16
adamw	and has nothing useful on it	15:16
adamw	all the interesting stuff is on the 'proposal' page	15:16
jlaska	right, it needs to mature quite a bit	15:16
kparal	yes, it should be redone	15:16
jlaska	I'll be happy to take a stab at cleaning that up ... unless anyone else is anxious to have it	15:16
jlaska	#action Clean-up critical path packages wiki to be a suitable home for critpath information	15:17
adamw	mostly the 'final' page just links to bits of the 'proposal' page :)	15:17
jlaska	yeah, that was my quick'n'dirty page a while back	15:17
jlaska	I can do better	15:17
adamw	ahh, okay, i thought it was the releng team i was subtly slagging off there ;)	15:17
jlaska	nope, it's cranes maska	15:18
jlaska	;)	15:18
jlaska	alright, 2 more on the list ...	15:18
jlaska	#info adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future	15:18
jlaska	not sure if we still need to track that ... and wwoods is out today	15:18
adamw	oh yikes, i forgot to transfer that to my todo list so i didn't do it	15:19
adamw	queued up for this week	15:19
jlaska	adamw: cool, can you send it to the autoqa-devel@ list too?	15:19
jlaska	while wwoods is out, a group of us were going to try and test post-bodhi-update in his absence	15:19
jlaska	I don't know if we'll get to depcheck, but who knows	15:19
jlaska	#info jlaska to add autoqa FIXME links for a wiki page describing how to update repoinfo.conf when branched release is available, linked from the existing branched SOP pages	15:20
adamw	okay	15:20
jlaska	I created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_update_AutoQA_repoinfo.conf to discuss how to update the autoqa repoinfo.conf file ... will send to autoqa-devel list	15:20
jlaska	okay, anything else from last week that I missed?	15:21
jlaska	alright, main agenda ...	15:21
jlaska	#topic Fedora 13 QA Retrospective	15:22
jlaska	I've compiled all the feedback in the retrospective and come up with a draft of recommendations	15:22
jlaska	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective	15:22
jlaska	I'm not ready to open to the list just yet, I'd like to clean it up a bit further	15:22
jlaska	I plan to send this to the list for feedback by Wednesday of this week	15:23
adamw	cool	15:23
jlaska	so no action yet here, but I hope to have this out for consumption	15:23
jlaska	and then we can go through what's next etc...	15:24
jlaska	many of you are already working the next steps, which is good :)	15:24
jlaska	and speaking of ...	15:24
jlaska	#topic Proventester status	15:24
adamw	we sorta covered this above, really?	15:24
jlaska	adamw gave an update in the previous meeting follow-up, but I had this on as a standing item	15:25
jlaska	adamw: right on	15:25
jlaska	in terms of next steps ... I don't have any changes here	15:25
adamw	me either, we're waiting on releng for the most important bit, and we're working on our process	15:25
jlaska	#info review adamw's draft document guiding proventesters	15:25
jlaska	#info waiting for re-enabling 'proventester' karma for critpath packages	15:26
jlaska	I think that captures it, anything else?	15:26
adamw	nup	15:26
jlaska	adamw: kudos for tackling the QA/Join updates. I was struggling to figure out how best to incorporate the link	15:26
jlaska	alright, moving on ...	15:27
jlaska	#topic AutoQA initscripts test validation	15:27
jlaska	jskladan: I left this on as a topic from last week	15:27
jskladan	jlaska: sure thing	15:28
adamw	see my comment on the change - ideally i wanted to incorporate it into the existing mention of updates-testing, but couldn't think of a good way.	15:28
jlaska	jskladan: were there any updates you wanted to give, or next steps to discuss?	15:28
jlaska	adamw: yeah, that's what I was struggling with too!	15:28
jskladan	so as you all probably know, I created a document <https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/wiki/initscripts> on how to review, and sent an email to fedora test list	15:28
adamw	i keep meaning to mention this in a blog post, didn't get around to it yet - sorry!	15:28
jskladan	for now, we have one new guy - Scott M Fergusson, who's working on the task	15:29
jlaska	yay Scott, thanks for helping!	15:29
adamw	awesome	15:30
jskladan	and two more contacted me via email today, so there is a great possibility of extending the possible AutoQA contributors even further :)	15:30
jlaska	moohahahaha	15:30
jskladan	so it seems like it had some effect after all :)	15:30
jlaska	nice work jskladan!	15:31
jskladan	and might be a great starting point for new contributors/people interested in joining QA forces :-D	15:31
adamw	that's great	15:31
adamw	yep for sure	15:31
adamw	thanks for backing the project	15:31
jlaska	jskladan: how do you want to handle this topic going forward? Shall I take it off the agenda, or leave it on for weekly updates?	15:32
jskladan	i think you can leave it in the agenda	15:32
jlaska	jskladan: okay, will do	15:32
jskladan	we all like to hear about others joining and contributing, don't we? :)	15:32
* adamw does		15:33
jlaska	YES!	15:33
jlaska	:D	15:33
* kparal votes for		15:33
jlaska	I wager Viking-Ice would vote for it as well	15:33
adamw	or shoot an arrow at it	15:34
jlaska	that counts as a positive vote, right	15:34
jskladan	and i'm still thinking about approaching Ray Chen - i'll probably write him some "hey, i saw your blog <http://blog.chinaunix.net/u2/68938/showart.php?id=2250919> come join us"	15:34
jskladan	or smt like that	15:34
adamw	that's excellent, it's always a good idea to take a personal approach like that	15:35
jlaska	jskladan: so 3 new leads, cool	15:35
jskladan	so thats about it on initscripts review effort, if noone has anything more, i think we can go on with the agenda	15:35
jlaska	alright, thanks for the update	15:36
jlaska	similar theme, but different focus ...	15:36
jlaska	#topic AutoQA	15:36
jlaska	so Kamil led us through a priority discussion last week (https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000668.html) and helped get things focused	15:37
kparal	tried to :)	15:37
jlaska	kparal: are you able to guide us through current tasks?	15:38
kparal	alright	15:38
kparal	so we decided our current priorities are:	15:38
kparal	* testing and finishing the Bodhi hook, because it is essential for many of our test cases	15:39
kparal	* having quick support of running selected test cases in virtual machines, because we start to have some test cases which we don't really believe they are absolutely safe	15:39
kparal	* getting testing instance of autotest-server and clients, so we can play with it and test new features rather than breaking our stable server	15:40
* Viking-Ice shoots the vote high up in the air in stead of deep in the ground..		15:40
kparal	* getting publicly accessible machine for resultdb if possible	15:40
kparal	* working on resultdb. We need to store the data and have some kind of simple form to explore it. that will allow larger audience to get familiar with our testing	15:41
kparal	I think that's all. these tasks have the highest priority, everything else may wait a while	15:41
jlaska	kparal: what happened to all the easy tasks! :)	15:41
kparal	some of them are not so hard, but others consist of many subtasks, that's true :)	15:42
jskladan	jlaska: you know the stuff, once you get to think about the simple tasks for a while, they become more complicated :-D	15:42
jlaska	hehe, so true	15:42
kparal	anyway, at least it helps us keep our focus	15:42
adamw	i find not thinking about it helps	15:42
jlaska	definitely, thanks kparal	15:42
kparal	yrw	15:43
jlaska	kparal: I should have an update on my action item for getting a new autotest-server shortly	15:44
kparal	great	15:44
jlaska	kparal: mmcgrath has been working hard to make available our 6 systems (and 1 virt guest (aka the autotest-server)). It appears to be mostly working, I just need to figure out how we'll use this for the time being	15:44
* kparal looks forward and hopes he will not break it immediately :)		15:44
jlaska	kparal: anything else you'd like to track on this topic for next week?	15:45
kparal	I don't think so	15:45
jlaska	alright, thanks for the update kparal	15:46
jlaska	who wants open floor time?	15:46
* adamw is good		15:46
adamw	oh	15:46
jlaska	#topic Open floor - <your topic here>	15:46
adamw	i should just briefly mention i'm working on expanding desktop testing for f14	15:47
adamw	to cover kde, xfce and lxde as well as gnome	15:47
jlaska	#topic Open floor - adamw and F14 desktop testing	15:47
adamw	in the early planning stages on that one, something should hit the mailing lists soon	15:47
jlaska	#info i'm working on expanding desktop testing for f14 to cover kde, xfce and lxde as well as gnome	15:47
jlaska	#info something should hit the mailing lists soon	15:48
* jlaska gets friendly with meetbot		15:48
jlaska	adamw: nice, I gather that will be a welcome improvement	15:48
adamw	i hope so	15:49
jlaska	#topic Open floor - <your topic here>	15:49
jlaska	any other thoughts/concerns/haiku?	15:49
jlaska	If no other topics, I'll close the meeting in 2 minutes	15:50
* adamw is short on poetic inspiration		15:51
jlaska	#topic Open floor - AutoQA media kit sanity tests	15:51
kparal	do we have robatino?	15:51
jlaska	robatino asked about this, so it might be worth noting in case others are interested	15:51
robatino	here	15:52
jlaska	robatino: howdy	15:52
jlaska	Liam has code in his private AutOQA branch to automate the mediakit sanity tests	15:52
jlaska	The tests he is automating can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Installer_Image_Sanity_Test_Cases	15:53
robatino	i was wondering if a test should be added to compare the actual ISO size to the ISO header size	15:53
adamw	oh, yeah, you found problems with that didn't you?	15:53
robatino	the live and netinst images currently fail that	15:53
jlaska	robatino: I don't know, to be honest.	15:53
adamw	what's the impact of the problem again?	15:53
robatino	not something to block, but just to track	15:53
jlaska	robatino: sure ... if you have any script or code to help validate, please add to https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/186	15:54
robatino	besides being inconvenient, we don't really know whether the images are just oversized, or corrupted as well	15:54
jlaska	robatino: did this first start with F-13 ISOs?	15:55
robatino	F12 Alpha, I think	15:55
jlaska	I think you have a bug tracking this already, right?	15:55
robatino	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585006	15:55
robatino	it's against livecd-tools because currently that's the only way i know to reproduce it	15:55
robatino	it's probably a genisoimage bug though	15:56
jlaska	huff: you own livecd-tools bugs now?	15:56
robatino	someone good at python could probably throw in some test statements and track it to the source, then reassign to the correct component	15:57
pjones	robatino: are the images larger or smaller than the size listed in the headers?	15:57
robatino	larger	15:57
pjones	that's potentially valid	15:58
pjones	(though still an error)	15:58
robatino	of course, without knowing the cause, it	15:58
jlaska	pjones: do you know what writes out that ISO header? is that genisoimage as robatino suggests?	15:58
robatino	it's possible they could be smaller as well	15:58
pjones	that's genisoimage, yes	15:58
jlaska	okay	15:58
jlaska	well, sounds like more work is needed to pinpoint this	15:59
adamw	seems like we have enough time we should be able to pinpoint it, though	15:59
jlaska	right	15:59
jlaska	not sure what else is needed, I think this just needs a subject matter expert to review	16:00
adamw	this actually reminds me of something else, if we have a minute	16:01
jlaska	adamw: new topic?	16:01
adamw	yeah	16:01
jlaska	to close out this ...	16:01
jlaska	robatino: can you suggest the new test to Liam in the ticket	16:01
jlaska	and we'll continue monitoring this bug, perhaps Oxf13 or pjones have ideas to further isolate	16:02
jlaska	adamw: go for it	16:02
robatino	yes, i was planning to mention that, and also to make sure to distinguish between SI and IEC units for different media	16:02
Oxf13	I'm here.	16:02
jlaska	robatino: cool, thanks	16:02
Oxf13	what's the bug?	16:02
jlaska	585006	16:02
jlaska	.bug 585006	16:02
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 585006 livecd-creator creates i386 and x86_64 ISOs which are larger than indicated by the ISO header - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585006	16:02
Oxf13	ah that.	16:02
Oxf13	We were thinking about migrating over to libisofs to see if that changes anything, or if it's easier to work with	16:03
Oxf13	shell execution within python is ugly	16:03
jlaska	Oxf13: anything you can think of to help robatino further isolate the bug?	16:04
Oxf13	not really.	16:04
jlaska	is this libisofs change, that's with livecd-tools or something else?	16:04
jlaska	alright, let's move on ... we can talk further on this in the bug or in #fedora-qa	16:05
jlaska	adamw: take it away	16:05
adamw	okay	16:05
jlaska	#topic Open floor - adamw	16:06
adamw	so there's been a few forum threads where people have said they couldn't get a DVD burned from the f13 x86-64 ISO to boot, at all	16:06
adamw	their systems actually don't see it as a bootable disc	16:06
adamw	in each case, they could boot from the i686 DVD, or the x86-64 live	16:06
adamw	threads - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=245321 , http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1364323 , http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=245844	16:07
adamw	but obviously in many cases the dvd does boot fine	16:07
Oxf13	jlaska: mostly pjones and I were looking at it for anaconda buildinstall and pungi, but lessons learned there should carry over to livecd-tools	16:07
adamw	i've no idea what could be causing this, the whole process by which a system identifies and boots from a bootable device is voodoo to me	16:07
jlaska	Oxf13: okay	16:07
adamw	just thought i'd mention it in case anyone knows more than me, or knows who could take a stab at figuring it out	16:08
Southern_Gentlem	adamw, and to majority of those that came into #fedora hadnt verified the iso and had bad downloads or where burning incorrectly	16:08
Oxf13	adamw: x86_64 doesn't boot, but i386 does... that tickles something in my brain	16:08
adamw	there's also a bug report for this - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597283	16:08
Oxf13	I wonder if we're putting EFI info on x86_64 media, but not i386 media.	16:09
adamw	which oxf13 has commented on, so that may be the tickle point =)	16:09
Oxf13	oh...	16:09
adamw	would the efi info also be on x86-64 live in that case?	16:09
adamw	the reporters say x86-64 live boots, iirc	16:09
Oxf13	adamw: no, efi wouldn't be there.	16:09
Oxf13	since it's DVD media, and that's my territory, I don't generally do anything with EFI so I don't think that's me	16:10
Oxf13	or it	16:10
* adamw didn't quite parse that last line		16:10
jlaska	comparing i386 and x86_64 "efi" files on the DVD's -- http://fpaste.org/fBu6/	16:11
jlaska	i386 has a #	16:12
jlaska	/EFI/BOOT/BOOT.conf file, but x86_64 does not	16:12
jlaska	anyhow, should we take the details to #fedora-qa	16:12
adamw	or the bug report, sure	16:12
jlaska	right on	16:13
jlaska	adamw thanks for raising this topic ... has me perplexed :)	16:13
Oxf13	adamw: pungi is what creates the DVD isos, and it's during that creation one would have to make them efi bootable or not IIRC. And since I don't do that in pungi, I don't think it could be EFI that is causing issues.	16:13
adamw	Oxf13: ah, okay.	16:13
jlaska	for the logs ... this is	16:13
jlaska	.bug 597283	16:13
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 597283 Fedora 13 x86_64 DVD does not boot in some computers - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597283	16:13
jlaska	okay folks ... thanks for your time	16:13
adamw	Southern_Gentlem: in the cases i'm looking at, the reporters have verified the burns and in some cases have actually booted the same disc successfully on other machines	16:14
adamw	Southern_Gentlem: i'm painfully familiar with bad burns, this doesn't look like that =)	16:14
jlaska	If folks want to continue, feel free to discuss on #fedora-qa or the mailing list	16:14
jlaska	thanks all!	16:14
jlaska	#endmeeting	16:14

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