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- jlaska (114)
- adamw (29)
- kparal (27)
- fenrus02 (14)
- lmacken (5)
- wwoods (2)
- Southern_Gentlem (1)
- Cerlyn (1)
- Viking-Ice (1)
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Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- adamw - follow-up on advisory-board thread on media requirements for spins (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-January/010271.html).
- Bodhi feedback patch from fcami (see
infrastructure ticket#701awaiting review
- reviewed and accepted, yay! Thanks lmacken!
Adjusting proventesters group to be invite-only
- Summary
- Some testers are applying to the FAS proventesters group, but not filing a ticket or sending a welcome email (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-January/096511.html)
- One suggestion is to make proventesters invite-only, and reflect the change in the Proven_tester documentation
ticket (jlaska, 16:26:21)
- Group discussed and decided to update wiki documentation to clarify process for handling join requests w/o a ticket
- If we are flooded with FAS requests w/o a ticket, we will reconsider invite-only recommendation
- Next steps ...
- ACTION: jlaska - update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester#Mentoring_process with information about how to handle FAS group requests without a corresponding
Latest and greatest on autoqa-0.4.4
- Owner
- kparal
- Summary
- new_koji_watcher and depcheck branch were reviewed
- Together with the review of new_koji_watcher branch we have found a bug in Bodhi where it incorrectly used -pending tags on certain packages. lmacken quickly created a patch, which should be pushed into production soon (see https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/changeset/d6218003bda6ce41f85d1a71260aa4152ec63b41)
- jlaska fixed issues that prevented autotest from building on Fedora 14
- Next steps ...
- Continue working towards autoqa-0.4.4 milestone
Wiki and Nitrate TCMS - Move to next step (ticket#152)
- Owner
- rhe
- Summary
- See
fedora-qa ticket#152(Tcms_use_cases and Tcms_Comparison) - Wiki use cases and feature comparison called for final review last week.
- Based on the comments, I modified the requirements and moved previous to formal pages below:
- Next steps ...
- Identify Must-Have + Nice-to-Have feature to find any feature gaps we'd need from Nitrate. Such features will firstly be marked in the comparison table[2], and then summarized in a separate page for reference. Comments welcome!
- Write scripts for importing xml files from wiki to nitrate. The xml files exported from wiki has different format from the files to be imported to nitrate, therefore, scripts are needed to do the conversion. Volunteers are welcomed!
Thu, Jan 27 Test Day -- Network device naming
- Owner
- Narendra
- Summary
fedora-qa ticket#159- Wiki looking good ... many thanks to Narendar & Dell for preparation (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-01-27_Network_Device_Naming_With_Biosdevname)
- Blog announcements
- Next steps ...
- jlaska will upload a script provided by Narendra to help participants determine if they have applicable hardware
- HELP: Spread the word -- Test Day this week -- Thu 27, 2011
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Action items
- jlaska - update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester#Mentoring_process with information about how to handle FAS group requests without a corresponding ticket
IRC Transcript
| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 16:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jan 24 16:00:12 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 16:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Gathering ... | 16:00 |
| jlaska | Show of electronic hands for the fedora-qa meeting ... | 16:00 |
| adamw | yo! | 16:00 |
| * Southern_Gentlem | 16:00 | |
| jlaska | howdy adamw Southern_Gentlem | 16:01 |
| Cerlyn | here | 16:01 |
| * kparal here | 16:01 | |
| jlaska | greetings Cerlyn + kparal | 16:01 |
| * fenrus02 waves | 16:02 | |
| jlaska | howdy fenrus02 | 16:02 |
| jlaska | anyone else want to say hello to the logs? | 16:02 |
| jlaska | kparal: is jskladan still under the weather today? | 16:03 |
| kparal | jlaska: I have no word of him | 16:03 |
| jlaska | okay ... I hope he is well | 16:04 |
| jlaska | shall we get started ... any stragglers can join during the meeting | 16:05 |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 16:06 |
| jlaska | #info fcami's bodhi patch was reviewed and accepted, thanks lmacken! | 16:06 |
| * lmacken will push it to production "this week" | 16:07 | |
| jlaska | #info follow-up on advisory-board thread on media requirements for spins (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-January/010271.html) | 16:07 |
| fenrus02 | and there was much rejoicing :) | 16:07 |
| jlaska | lmacken: sweet, thanks | 16:07 |
| jlaska | I haven't followed up on the multi-dvd requirements discussion ... we had an open request for feedback on that I think | 16:07 |
| jlaska | I should have figured ... looking at the thread, I see adamw all over it | 16:08 |
| fenrus02 | jlaska, from what i have read, most of your requirements already work | 16:08 |
| * adamw away, call of nature | 16:09 | |
| jlaska | anything else on this topic? | 16:09 |
| * jlaska takes silence as a no | 16:10 | |
| jlaska | #topic Wiki and Nitrate TCMS - Move to next step (ticket#152) | 16:10 |
| jlaska | You probably saw some mails on this topic last week | 16:10 |
| jlaska | Hurry sent an update to the list and asked to raise this topic during the meeting | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tcms_use_cases | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tcms_Comparison | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #info Based on the comments, I modified the requirements and moved to the more formal wiki pages | 16:11 |
| jlaska | As for next steps ... | 16:12 |
| jlaska | #info Next step ... Identify Must-Have + Nice-to-Have features to find any feature gaps we'd need from Nitrate. Such features will firstly be marked in the comparison table[2], and then summarized in a separate page for reference. | 16:12 |
| jlaska | #info Next step ... Write scripts for importing xml files from wiki to nitrate. The xml files exported from wiki has different format from the files to be imported to nitrate, therefore, scripts are needed to do the conversion. Volunteers are welcomed! | 16:12 |
| adamw | sorry sorry | 16:13 |
| jlaska | And just a general comment ... | 16:13 |
| jlaska | #help Anyone interested in helping to understand our current QA wiki workflows, identifying TCMS requirements or exploring/deploying a nitrate staging instance is encouraged to help | 16:14 |
| jlaska | adamw: no worries ... nature has all of our phone numbers | 16:14 |
| jlaska | any questions comments on this subject? | 16:14 |
| adamw | i think for most people it's hard to interact with until there's a test instance up | 16:15 |
| jlaska | yeah, I suspect that will solicit a lot of feedback | 16:15 |
| jlaska | use cases and requirements are important, but difficult to encourage contributions | 16:15 |
| jlaska | at least, that's my impression | 16:15 |
| jlaska | I mentioned to Hurry that I could submit a RFR to infrastructure for a test instance ... but I may have missed the response | 16:16 |
| jlaska | I'll double check with her on that | 16:16 |
| * jlaska makes note | 16:16 | |
| jlaska | okay ... changing topics ... | 16:17 |
| jlaska | #topic Adjusting proventesters group to be invite-only | 16:17 |
| jlaska | Mike Cloaked pointed out on the list that there was a gap in our proventester sign-up procedure | 16:17 |
| * jlaska finds link | 16:17 | |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-January/096511.html | 16:18 |
| jlaska | The problem is that the FAS group is open for anyone to request membership ... but the documented procedure requires saying hello using a ticket to fedora-qa | 16:18 |
| jlaska | (which is sent to test@) | 16:18 |
| adamw | well, we have the same issue with bugzappers | 16:18 |
| jlaska | I thought nirik had a fine solution for this ... which was to make the FAS group invite-only | 16:18 |
| adamw | usually we (bugzappers moderators) just manually clean up the bad requests once in a while | 16:18 |
| adamw | that works too, i guess | 16:19 |
| jlaska | Reading the feedback on the agenda ... Viking-Ice seemed a bit upset about the idea | 16:19 |
| fenrus02 | adamw, "once in a while" == daily remove any that sat for 7 days. | 16:19 |
| jlaska | I believe the concern was we were putting up barriers to joining the group | 16:19 |
| fenrus02 | emailing test@ with an introduction hardly seems like a barrier? | 16:20 |
| jlaska | that was my take as well | 16:20 |
| jlaska | having a group where anyone can click to become a member, but not doing anything ... seems silly | 16:21 |
| jlaska | but I could be wrong | 16:21 |
| fenrus02 | no sponsor that way ... trouble | 16:21 |
| adamw | well, we're not _approving_ those requests | 16:21 |
| fenrus02 | at the very least, folks should receive a "welcome package" that includes proper ways to do things | 16:21 |
| adamw | what we could do with them is email the applicants and say 'hey, can you please complete the process properly' | 16:21 |
| jlaska | right | 16:21 |
| fenrus02 | adamw, for bz, i do exactly that. | 16:22 |
| adamw | me too | 16:22 |
| jlaska | that's another option | 16:22 |
| jlaska | do we want to make a recommendation here? | 16:22 |
| adamw | so yeah, in theory, we may lose some people if we make the group invite-only and they're hard of reading | 16:22 |
| adamw | they may go 'duhh...it doesn't work' and give up, rather than figuring out the right process | 16:22 |
| adamw | hard to be sure, though. | 16:22 |
| jlaska | as long as the manual responses to these requests are in the single digits ... if we have 100's people applying without going through the process | 16:23 |
| jlaska | I don't see anything wrong with making proventesters invite-only at that point | 16:23 |
| jlaska | so who scrubs this list ... proventester admins? | 16:24 |
| adamw | yeah | 16:24 |
| fenrus02 | jlaska, some sponsor | 16:24 |
| adamw | as a side-note, we figured out that it's good to BCC the other admins when you do one | 16:24 |
| adamw | so other admins know it's been taken care of | 16:24 |
| jlaska | that was going to be my questoin | 16:24 |
| adamw | there's an alias to use | 16:24 |
| jlaska | question | 16:24 |
| fenrus02 | foo-sponsors@fp.o is the format for the alias | 16:24 |
| jlaska | should I document this on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester#Mentoring_process | 16:25 |
| jlaska | or does this fall under 'common-sense' category? | 16:25 |
| adamw | erf, probably better to write it down | 16:25 |
| adamw | i see that bus a-comin' | 16:25 |
| fenrus02 | jlaska, please add to the wiki page | 16:25 |
| jlaska | yeah :) | 16:25 |
| fenrus02 | jlaska, otherwise folks will "forget" | 16:25 |
| jlaska | alright, I'll add some content and send out to the wiki | 16:25 |
| jlaska | #action jlaska - update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester#Mentoring_process with information about how to handle FAS group requests without a corresponding ticket | 16:26 |
| jlaska | does this also mean -1 from everyone for the proposal to make the FAS group invite-only? | 16:26 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: adamw: ? | 16:27 |
| jlaska | I assume so ... just clarifying | 16:27 |
| adamw | yeah, for now | 16:28 |
| adamw | as you said, if we're not coping with the manual process, we can re-visit it | 16:28 |
| fenrus02 | jlaska, i am missing how a trac ticket becomes a barrier. it requires a FAS login, same as clicking 'add'. We should have a "dont click invite, submit trac ticket for invite" message | 16:28 |
| jlaska | #info decided to update wiki documentation to clarify process for handling join requests w/o a ticket | 16:29 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: yeah, the thread outlined some nice-to-have features for FAS ... but I'm leaving that out of this meeting | 16:29 |
| jlaska | #topic Better living through automation ... autoqa | 16:30 |
| jlaska | kparal: have a few moments to walk us through the latest'n'greatest? | 16:30 |
| kparal | sure | 16:30 |
| * kparal opening his notes | 16:30 | |
| kparal | this time it's very brief, don't be afraid. the last week's changes: | 16:31 |
| kparal | #info new_koji_watcher and depcheck branch were reviewed | 16:31 |
| kparal | Some issues were raised, jskladan and wwoods are working on addressing them. | 16:31 |
| jlaska | ooh ... kudos for meetbot commands! :D | 16:31 |
| wwoods | I should have a new patch for review later today | 16:31 |
| kparal | great | 16:32 |
| wwoods | actually I guess I can send it right now | 16:32 |
| kparal | jskladan unfortunately seems to be sick or something | 16:32 |
| kparal | next... | 16:32 |
| kparal | #info Together with the review of new_koji_watcher branch we have found a bug in Bodhi where it incorrectly used -pending tags on certain packages. lmacken quickly created a patch, which should be pushed into production soon. | 16:32 |
| kparal | #link https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/changeset/d6218003bda6ce41f85d1a71260aa4152ec63b41 | 16:32 |
| kparal | I have no estimate when it should be in production, lmacken here? | 16:33 |
| kparal | nevermind | 16:33 |
| kparal | and the last one: | 16:33 |
| lmacken | this week, definitely | 16:33 |
| lmacken | maybe today | 16:33 |
| kparal | ah, great | 16:33 |
| kparal | lmacken: do you also plan to clean up those package that will have incorrect tags? | 16:34 |
| kparal | *that have | 16:34 |
| lmacken | kparal: yeah, I think I already added the corresponding checks to my sanity checking code for it | 16:34 |
| kparal | great | 16:34 |
| kparal | thanks lmacken | 16:34 |
| lmacken | np | 16:35 |
| kparal | and lastly: | 16:35 |
| kparal | #info jlaska fixed issues that prevented autotest from building on Fedora 14 | 16:35 |
| kparal | That means latest autotest is finally available for Fedora 14 machines, hooray. | 16:35 |
| * jlaska had help from lmr | 16:35 | |
| kparal | kudos to lmr too | 16:36 |
| kparal | ok, that's the last week in a nutshell | 16:36 |
| jlaska | kparal: thanks for the updates ... anything else you wanted to highlight for next steps? | 16:36 |
| * Viking-Ice joins in late fracking Spain opened a can of whoopass on our team | 16:38 | |
| kparal | well, we have a lot of big changes and we want to do a new release. that means we will make sure it works ok -- lot of testing | 16:38 |
| kparal | or at least a little :-) | 16:38 |
| jlaska | kparal: sounds good! :) | 16:38 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: welcome | 16:38 |
| jlaska | okay ... last topic I had on the agenda ... | 16:39 |
| jlaska | #topic Thu, Jan 27 Test Day -- Network device naming | 16:39 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-01-27_Network_Device_Naming_With_Biosdevname | 16:39 |
| jlaska | I think we're looking pretty good on this event from a preparation perspective | 16:39 |
| jlaska | the wiki and test cases look good to me | 16:40 |
| adamw | yeah, me too | 16:40 |
| adamw | if people could spread the word this week it'd be good | 16:40 |
| adamw | i'll try and get things out to a few news outlets as this definitely has a potential wider audience | 16:40 |
| jlaska | Narendra outlined some tests they wanted to run that would need a rawhide boot.iso ... I'll be pulling down a new lorax from mgracik and will try to pungi up some images shortly | 16:40 |
| jlaska | adamw: awesome, thanks | 16:40 |
| jlaska | Dell has done a lot of prep for this event ... I'm pretty impressed | 16:40 |
| adamw | yeah, and they've been very interactive | 16:41 |
| jlaska | cool seeing this type of interaction | 16:41 |
| jlaska | almost like someone wrote a really nice SOP for this | 16:41 |
| jlaska | gosh ... let me thank that person when I see him or her | 16:41 |
| adamw | haha | 16:42 |
| jlaska | Narendra sent me a script that participants can run to determine whether they have affected hardware | 16:42 |
| adamw | yay! my word is their command | 16:42 |
| jlaska | I'll upload that to the wiki shortly and add links to hte page | 16:42 |
| jlaska | adamw: operation colada continues | 16:42 |
| adamw | where's that jimmy buffett cd | 16:42 |
| jlaska | I threw it away, many years ago | 16:43 |
| jlaska | okay folks ... it's that time again ... | 16:43 |
| * jlaska adds a few meetbot comments first | 16:43 | |
| jlaska | #info jlaska will upload a script provided by Narendra to help participants determine if they have applicable hardware | 16:43 |
| jlaska | #info Wiki looking good ... many thanks to Narendar & Dell for preparation | 16:44 |
| jlaska | #help Spread the word -- Test Day this week -- Thu 27, 2011 | 16:44 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> | 16:45 |
| jlaska | alright ... open discussion time | 16:45 |
| jlaska | any takers? | 16:45 |
| * jlaska sets the fuse at 2 minutes | 16:46 | |
| jlaska | #topic Next meeting | 16:46 |
| fenrus02 | fireworks display? | 16:46 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: excellent idea! :) | 16:46 |
| jlaska | Just a heads up ... I likely won't be online for the meeting next week | 16:46 |
| jlaska | I'm happy to send topics to the list on Friday again ... and if anyone is around and wants to drive ... please feel free to | 16:47 |
| jlaska | and remember ... #meetbot is your friend | 16:47 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska won't be available for next week meeting (FUDCon) | 16:47 |
| jlaska | #info Will send topics to the list this week ... anyone welcome to host the meeting next week | 16:47 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> | 16:47 |
| * jlaska resets fuse at 1 minute | 16:48 | |
| jlaska | meeting ends in 30 seconds ... | 16:49 |
| * adamw will drive next week if no-one else wants to | 16:49 | |
| jlaska | alright ... thanks for your time everyone | 16:49 |
| jlaska | let's call end of meeting | 16:49 |
| jlaska | I'll send a recap to the list | 16:49 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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