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Attendees

People present (lines said)

  1. jlaska (116)
  2. adamw (28)
  3. vhumpa (15)
  4. Viking-Ice (13)
  5. brunowolff (7)
  6. robatino (6)
  7. kparal (4)
  8. tflink (1)
  9. jskladan_afk (1)


Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
    • Filed bugzilla RFE RHBZ #679898. Viking-Ice also noted he might discuss this RFE upstream
  2. jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
  3. robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images

Upcoming QA events

Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day

Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day

Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1

Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

  1. jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation. The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed
  2. vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images. brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance


Action items

IRC Transcript

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 16:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Mar 7 16:00:03 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 16:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 16:00
jlaska #topic Roll Call 16:00
vhumpa Hia! 16:00
jlaska Hi folks ... anyone lurking for the QA meeting today? 16:00
* brunowolff is here. 16:00
* kparal again alive 16:00
* vhumpa is here 16:00
* jskladan_afk tips his hat 16:00
jlaska kparal lives! 16:00
* tflink is here 16:00
jlaska howdy brunowolff vhumpa jskladan tflink  :) 16:00
* Viking-Ice here 16:01
jlaska hey hey Viking-Ice 16:01
* jlaska waits another minute before getting started 16:01
adamw yo 16:02
jlaska a minute on the nose! 16:02
jlaska adamw: greetings 16:02
* adamw should really set his alarm for 7:54 16:03
jlaska alright, we have a light agenda today ... so let's dive in 16:03
jlaska #info Proposed Agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/097566.html 16:03
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 16:03
jlaska #info Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days 16:03
jlaska Viking-Ice: any updates you want to highlight? 16:04
jlaska okay ... I'll note if any updates come up 16:05
jlaska otherwise, I propose moving this off the follow-up list ... I can certainly add it back when needed 16:05
Viking-Ice still waiting for feed back on the bugzilla RFE I filed 16:06
jlaska got a link? 16:06
Viking-Ice maybe I should move that to upstream mozilla 16:06
jlaska yes! 16:06
jlaska I believe it's a sizable feature request 16:06
Viking-Ice bug 679898 16:07
Viking-Ice if that gets implemented it would solve that problem along with others as well ( from maintainers perspective ) 16:07
jlaska #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898 16:07
Viking-Ice and we could always use our bugzilla instance to report against 16:08
jlaska sure ... we'll monitor that request 16:08
Viking-Ice I have been expecting anykind of feed back from the red hat bugzilla team on that RFE 16:08
jlaska I'm not surprised our current bz maintainer has not responded yet 16:09
jlaska he's new and coming up to speed with maint ... and this is definitely a big RFE :) 16:09
jlaska Your instinct about moving upstream is appropriate 16:10
jlaska okay ... we'll stay tuned for any updates 16:10
jlaska #info jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug 16:10
Viking-Ice Ok will do 16:10
jlaska nothing earth shattering here, just a minor wiki update 16:10
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:10
jlaska I'll try to follow this and use #info tags during this Fridays blocker meeting 16:11
jlaska I'm lazy, and wish that meetbot/zodbot/*bot could automatically do this ... but haven't had time to look at the bot code 16:11
jlaska so ... exercise for anyone who likes bots 16:11
jlaska #info robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images 16:11
jlaska robatino and nb get the credit for this ... it seems the issue has been resolved 16:12
* kparal starts fireworks 16:12
jlaska iirc, robatino now has the space needed to publish the TC and RC delta ISOs for testers 16:12
robatino hosted now at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ - comments for organization welcome 16:12
robatino right now the top-level directory is newiso, the next level is oldiso 16:12
adamw yayness 16:13
jlaska #link http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ 16:13
adamw we should spread the word 16:13
jlaska robatino: do you need any updates to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Delta_ISOs ? 16:13
Viking-Ice what's the difference in Delto iso vs Regular iso ? 16:13
jlaska Viking-Ice: analogous to delta-rpm and regular rpm 16:13
kparal robatino: have you considered also posting torrents into that directory? is it possible to use fedora torrent tracker for that? 16:13
Viking-Ice so we have a smaller iso size? 16:14
Viking-Ice can fit more stuff ? 16:14
robatino jlaska: i'll have to think about it if the server content isn't self-explanatory 16:14
jlaska Viking-Ice: yeah ... so testers with limited bandwidth can participate in TC and RC testing 16:14
jlaska robatino: okay 16:14
Viking-Ice Ok 16:14
jlaska Viking-Ice: no ... not so we can fit more stuff ... this is so you don't need to download the entire DVD after you already downloaded TC1 DVD.iso 16:14
jlaska Viking-Ice: hopefully Delta_ISOs provides more detail 16:15
robatino kparal: i really hated using torrents for this since it's partly for people with limited bandwidth 16:15
jlaska adamw: "get the word out" ... what'd you have in mind? 16:15
adamw blogs 16:15
adamw nothing special 16:15
adamw just mention it :) 16:15
jlaska right on 16:15
robatino i also have deltas for 12->13 and 13->14 which are about half full size 16:15
Viking-Ice and announcement to the test list :) 16:15
adamw and of course we'll need to update the pre-release announcements, but since robatino usually winds up doing those it shouldn't be a problem =) 16:16
adamw Viking-Ice: i think it already was 16:16
jlaska test-announce@ certainly a good idea 16:16
adamw i remember reading a mail about it, anyway 16:16
jlaska info is linked from the validation wiki pages iirc 16:16
adamw oh no 16:16
kparal robatino: well I noticed some people who got very low speed for fedora servers. but wouldn't mind using torrents 16:16
robatino adamw: i only post deltaiso links on the test matrix pages anyway, and the announcements link to those 16:16
adamw it was a private email 16:16
jlaska certainly worth some visibility on fedora planet ... so feel free to mention it if you aggregate your blog there 16:17
jlaska (myself included in that request) 16:17
jlaska anything else from last week? 16:17
jlaska if not ... moving on ... 16:18
jlaska #topic Upcoming QA events 16:18
jlaska #info Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day 16:18
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop 16:18
jlaska the announcement just hit test-announce -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-March/000202.html 16:18
adamw this is looking good except for the test case link 16:19
jlaska unlike the previous two events that focused on the installer and the desktop environment ... this is intended to target desktop apps 16:19
jlaska adamw: suggestions? 16:19
jlaska heh, that is weird :) 16:19
jlaska adamw: perhaps should link to a wiki page that uses the standard

Description

A brief description of the functionality being tested.


How to test

  1. Start here ...
  2. Next do this ...
  3. Finally click that

Expected Results

  1. Step #1 completes without error
  2. The system boots into runlevel 5
  3. Program completes with exit code 0


?
16:20
adamw i'm not sure what it's meant to be doing :) 16:20
jlaska Well ... let's start that discussion at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/158 16:21
adamw okay 16:21
jlaska #info adamw noted that the test case link doesn't point to a valid test case template (e.g. QA:TestCase_foo_bar_baz) 16:22
jlaska rhe: has been helping coordinate, so she may be able to run with any ideas/suggestions you have 16:22
jlaska okay ... next up ... 16:23
jlaska #info Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day 16:23
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta 16:23
jlaska vhumpa and rlat have been investing some prep time in the second GNOME shell test day 16:23
jlaska vhumpa: any updates, how are things looking for you? 16:24
adamw nice job guys 16:24
vhumpa adamw: I finished implementing your notes from Friday just a little while ago 16:24
* jlaska sees two shiny test matrices! 16:24
vhumpa Hope all is moreorless ready now 16:24
adamw vhumpa: cool 16:24
vhumpa If somebody have a BT phone, please try this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_gnome-bluetooth_send_file 16:25
adamw we just need to look at live images, we can probably just link to nightlies this time 16:25
adamw we only needed custom images last time because of the alpha freeze 16:25
vhumpa adamw: I agree nighties should be fine 16:25
vhumpa adamw: I am running the last one right now :) 16:26
adamw anyone know when the alpha freeze ends, actually? 16:26
adamw or did it already and i missed it? 16:26
jlaska dgilmore would know 16:26
jlaska I don't see it on the rel-eng schedule, or am missing it 16:26
brunowolff For packages it is over. 16:26
adamw okay. 16:26
jlaska brunowolff: thx 16:27
jlaska adamw: so that means tested updates should be landing in the nightlies? 16:27
brunowolff Pretty much when Rc2 was certified at the go / no-go meeting. 16:27
adamw jlaska: yeah, and it looks like they are. 16:27
jlaska excellent 16:27
adamw so we should be good. 16:27
jlaska vhumpa: we have several folks who can host live images if for some reason we need them 16:28
vhumpa Is the alpha freeze a reason why I was getting no new updates for F15 last couple of days? 16:28
brunowolff There isn't really an updates repo. Just updates-testing and branched. 16:29
jlaska vhumpa: I believe so ... during the "freeze", the base f15 repo wasn't changed except for approved blockers 16:29
adamw yeah, though if you had updates-testing enabled, you'd get updates all the way through. 16:29
jlaska vhumpa: rlat: adamw: nice work on the GNOME3 prep ... shout if any assistance is needed 16:30
jlaska next up ... 16:30
vhumpa Okay, just that I wasn't getting anything from updates-testing as well, but I gues the problem is elswhere then 16:30
jlaska #info Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1 16:30
jlaska #link Per the schedule, we'll have our first beta blocker review this Froday - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html 16:30
jlaska and for those who like links ... 16:30
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:31
jlaska describes the format of the meeting 16:31
jlaska I'll send out an announcement Wednesday 16:31
jlaska last update ... 16:31
jlaska #info Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day 16:31
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade 16:31
jlaska Once again, Hurry is initiating this event 16:31
jlaska we have a bug outstanding against preupgrade where it needs to accomodate the installer install.img change in F15. A patch is available, and we'll just need to get an updated preupgrade from hughsie that we can point testers to 16:32
jlaska with that in hand, we should be able to make some good traction on preupgrade testing ... since it currently doesn't function against F15 16:32
jlaska alright ... if nothing else, I'll go to open-discussion 16:32
jlaska #info Need updated preupgrade that works without 'images/install.img' to test with F13 and F14 16:33
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> 16:33
jlaska okay folks ... those are all the topics I had 16:33
jlaska anything else not already discussed? 16:33
vhumpa jlaska: about the image hosting: do you think that will be needed for bandwidh reasons, if we decide to go with night build? 16:34
jlaska vhumpa: to my knowledge, the size of the test day (or nightly) live image is acceptable for participants 16:35
jlaska at least, I haven't seen a lot of complaints about downloading a single ISO for a test day (< 700 Mib) 16:35
vhumpa I mean I was just wondering whether the normal server can handle the downloads by the testers 16:36
jlaska vhumpa: oh oh, I see. I believe so, but if we encounter problems, let's raise that with the experts in #fedora-admin for assistance 16:36
vhumpa jlaska: okay, perhaps we can quickly establish a mirror if that will happen 16:37
vhumpa I'll try to be monitoring the sit 16:37
jlaska vhumpa: okay 16:37
vhumpa jlaska: Let's hope we need a mirror ;-) 16:38
adamw i think they're ultimately pretty much the same thing (alt vs. fedorapeople) 16:38
vhumpa Okay, this should be all from me 16:39
jlaska adamw: I started documenting the installer related CommonBugs ... I should have the remaining installer issues knocked out shortly. If you have time, I could use help with the X/kernel issues 16:39
brunowolff I did a download this morning from I2 and was getting around 10MB/s. So I think downloads should be reasonable 16:39
jlaska vhumpa: agreed, hopefully we won't hit any download issues :) 16:39
brunowolff with a dozen or so going on at once. 16:39
adamw jlaska: yeah, i'll get on it 16:40
jlaska adamw: your fingers are faster than mine, but I'm working my way down the list (starting with anaconda) so hopefully we can meet in the middle 16:40
adamw sure 16:40
jlaska brunowolff: that's not too bad at all 16:40
jlaska any other topics to cover today? 16:40
jlaska #info jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation. The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed 16:41
jlaska #info vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images. brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance 16:42
jlaska alright ... setting the fuse at 1 minute until #endmeeting 16:42
jlaska btw ... we said it last week during the go/no_go ... but once again, THANK YOU to our testers for yet another Fedora milestone 16:43
jlaska wiki results, bug reports and discussion on the mailing list all contribute to identifying potential blocker bugs and understanding whether we meet the release criteria 16:43
jlaska so thank you to all who participated and help get it out the door 16:43
brunowolff This one was a tough one too, with the mass rebuild happening so close to freeze. 16:44
jlaska excactly 16:44
jlaska exactly (even) 16:44
jlaska so much change (rebuild, branch) 16:44
jlaska okay gang ... I'm calling end of meeting 16:44
jlaska thanks for your attendance and time 16:44
jlaska I'll send minutes to the list 16:44
jlaska As always, feel free to follow-up on the list with any topics you weren't able to raise during the meeting 16:45
jlaska #endmeeting 16:45

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