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== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
# vhumpa reach out to reschedule GnomeShell #3 for April 21
# adamwill and vhumpa rescheduled GnomeShell #3 for April 21
# tflink to handle announcements for Printing test day
# tflink and adamwill handled announcements (test-announce and blog) for Printing test day
# tflink looking into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug
# tflink looked into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug ... good news, false alarm (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-March/001849.html)
# nirik will look into updating the nightly-composes directory to eliminate any 404's
# nirik updated the nightly-composes directory to eliminate any 404's and use index.html (see http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/)


== F-15-Beta TC1 status ==
== F-15-Beta TC1 status ==
* We have until Wednesday (2011-04-06) to complete testing of the installation and desktop matrices
* Add test results at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_15_Beta_TC_Test_Results
* Monitor proposed and accepted blocker bugs ...
** http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed
** http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted
* ACTION: adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix
* ACTION: jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1
* ACTION: jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images


== Upcoming QA events ==
== Upcoming QA events ==
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* '''STATUS:''' <span style="color:blue; font-weight:bold;">''INPROGRESS''</span>
* '''STATUS:''' <span style="color:blue; font-weight:bold;">''INPROGRESS''</span>


=== Friday, April 1 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5 ===
=== Friday, April 8 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5 ===
* Request: [http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html unscheduled]
* Request: [http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html unscheduled]
* '''STATUS:''' <span style="color:blue; font-weight:bold;">''INPROGRESS''</span>
* '''STATUS:''' <span style="color:blue; font-weight:bold;">''INPROGRESS''</span>
* http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed
* http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed
* http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted
* http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted
* AdamW noted that the meeting was not in the schedule.  Rbergeron took action to add blocker reviews to the friday after RC1 creation.
=== Thursday, April 14 - Virtualization Test Day ===
* Request: [http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/162 fedora-qa#162]
* '''STATUS:''' <span style="color:blue; font-weight:bold;">''INPROGRESS''</span>
* Jlaska will check-in with jforbes to see if any assistance is needed


= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
== {{bz|689291}} ==
* Request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=689291
* The team discussed the bug and recommended removing F15Beta if this only impacts a single router.  Also, add this to CommonBugs to be documented for any others who may encounter the problem.
== Nitrate project status ==
* Request: Cerlyn asked for status on the Nitrate project
* Jlaska noted that the nitrate-devel team has a package going through review (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690728)
* Jlaska noted that we are requesting space to host a demo nitrate instance (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2673)
* Cerlyn asked if nitrate would be used to verify Fedora 15.  AdamW responded it would not be. Jlaska added it will hopefully be used as a demonstration, but it likely won't be officially used for Fedora 15 testing.
== Problems building delta-ISO images? ==
* Request: CRCinAU noted that robatino was having trouble building delta-ISO images on alt.fp.org.
* Robatino confirmed that he was no longer having issues, but was manually working around the lack of


= Action items =
= Action items =
# adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix
# jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1
# jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images
# jlaska will check-in with jforbes on the upcoming Virtualization test day


= IRC Log =
= IRC Log =
{|
|- id="t15:00:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t15:00:32|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:32"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Apr  4 15:00:32 2011 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:32|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:32"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:32|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:36|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:36"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:36|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll Call!
|| [[#t15:00:40|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: hey there
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:49"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is here
|| [[#t15:00:49|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hey tflink
|| [[#t15:01:01|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:06"
| colspan="2" | * vhumpa jumps in
|| [[#t15:01:06|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:33"
| colspan="2" | * kparal present
|| [[#t15:01:33|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:41"
| colspan="2" | * adamw still here
|| [[#t15:01:41|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#t15:01:47|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:53"
| colspan="2" | * hircus here
|| [[#t15:01:53|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hey vhumpa kparal hircus
|| [[#t15:01:57|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:03"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan lurks
|| [[#t15:02:03|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:07"
| colspan="2" | * satellit__ lurking
|| [[#t15:02:07|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hello lurkers! :)
|| [[#t15:02:11|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | one more minute, and we'll get this party started
|| [[#t15:02:18|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:08"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron gets out the party horns
|| [[#t15:03:08|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#t15:03:22|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone else lurking (robatino, Viking-Ice)?
|| [[#t15:03:47|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:58"
| colspan="2" | * robatino is here
|| [[#t15:03:58|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | howdy
|| [[#t15:04:12|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:04:26|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | one sec ... wiki not responding
|| [[#t15:04:55|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamwill and vhumpa rescheduled Gnome Shell test day to April 21
|| [[#t15:05:28|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks gents
|| [[#t15:05:32|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info tflink to handle announcements for Printing test day
|| [[#t15:05:40|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks tflink and adamwill for getting the word out for the printing event
|| [[#t15:05:53|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yay printing
|| [[#t15:06:02|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info tflink looking into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug
|| [[#t15:06:08|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | iirc, tflink posted the response to autoqa-devel@lists.fh.org
|| [[#t15:06:25|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I can't access the archives at the moment, yay
|| [[#t15:06:33|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tflink
| style="color: #854685" | yep
|| [[#t15:06:35|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but I think that's [x] done
|| [[#t15:06:44|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | general yay
|| [[#t15:06:47|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tflink
| style="color: #854685" | I spoke too quickly - there were no stale tags
|| [[#t15:06:58|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and last one I had was ...
|| [[#t15:06:59|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:26"
| colspan="2" | * hircus noticing shiny new GNOME 3.0 packages in Koji
|| [[#t15:07:26|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info nirik updated nightly-composes directory to eliminate 404's, and add a friendly index.html
|| [[#t15:07:30|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: oh right, thanks
|| [[#t15:07:35|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/
|| [[#t15:07:46|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | iirc, I think kparal might have also helped in tweaking the nightly compose html?
|| [[#t15:08:03|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yay shiny index.html!
|| [[#t15:08:16|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:20"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: just the page layout
|| [[#t15:08:20|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | man, i'm running out of yay.
|| [[#t15:08:22|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:33"
| colspan="2" | * kparal learned css basics finally
|| [[#t15:08:33|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | is it just me, are these links working for others?
|| [[#t15:08:52|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:03"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | work fine
|| [[#t15:09:03|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, so just my networking
|| [[#t15:09:13|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:16"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4b904b" | works great
|| [[#t15:09:16|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:31"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | fenris02
| style="color: #4d4d93" | works ok here
|| [[#t15:09:31|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: feed the yay machine
|| [[#t15:09:36|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:38"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | hircus
| style="color: #97974f" | looks fine here with Chrome
|| [[#t15:09:38|15:09]]
|- id="t15:11:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | cool, so hopefully others can assist if any lookups are needed ... I'm unable to get there atm
|| [[#t15:11:02|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, let's get started ...
|| [[#t15:11:33|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status
|| [[#t15:11:33|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, so this of course doesn't help since I can't access the bug lists
|| [[#t15:11:33|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yay, networking back up
|| [[#t15:11:34|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:50"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jsmith
| style="color: #9b519b" | Networking is a good thing :-)
|| [[#t15:11:50|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:56"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | fenris02
| style="color: #4d4d93" | has selinux-policy -10 or higher been pushed to stable yet?  (required to make the next iso usable)
|| [[#t15:12:56|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heh ... zodbot ... catch up
|| [[#t15:13:30|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | apparently
|| [[#t15:13:34|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | zodbot: please do the needful
|| [[#t15:13:41|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:50"
| colspan="2" | * fenris02 smirks
|| [[#t15:13:50|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status
|| [[#t15:13:51|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | well, let's forge ahead without zodbot, maybe it will catch up
|| [[#t15:14:51|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | fenris02: yes. (actually, it would never have been a problem for ISO composes, as a 'broken' systemd never made it to stable.)
|| [[#t15:14:52|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed
|| [[#t15:14:53|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted
|| [[#t15:14:55|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: uh, it worked.
|| [[#t15:15:01|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
|| [[#t15:15:06|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | &lt;jlaska&gt; #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status
|| [[#t15:15:08|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | --- zodbot has changed the topic to: F-15-Beta-TC1 status (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
|| [[#t15:15:08|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test
|| [[#t15:15:12|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | is what I get in my logs.
|| [[#t15:15:17|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | cool, a few new faces on the Desktop test matrix
|| [[#t15:15:24|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tflink
| style="color: #854685" | yeah, I see it, too
|| [[#t15:15:25|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: caillon and jreiser, so not 'new', but new to desktop testing =)
|| [[#t15:15:43|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:49"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron notes that the intertubes have been broken all to heck all night
|| [[#t15:15:49|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | so on the desktop matrix we have two questionable 'fails'
|| [[#t15:16:13|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i'm keeping an eye on those
|| [[#t15:16:21|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:25"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska LAAAAAAGGGED
|| [[#t15:16:25|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:45"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska just now catching up
|| [[#t15:16:45|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: anyone want to volunteer to #chair here ... the lag is working against me
|| [[#t15:17:25|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:34"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4b904b" | Could we also use some help around other desktop environments there, or do we focus completely on Gnome?
|| [[#t15:17:34|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry, not meant for adamw ... anyone really
|| [[#t15:17:38|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:55"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith could chair, but doesn't really know the agenda, etc.
|| [[#t15:17:55|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | vhumpa: only gnome can block the release
|| [[#t15:18:03|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh, and kde
|| [[#t15:18:08|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | vhumpa: but it's always good to check the others
|| [[#t15:18:23|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i also should add a column to that table for 'gnome fallback mode', which i did for alpha iirc - it seems the best way to ensure both shell and fallback are okay
|| [[#t15:19:03|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: I can do some tests on KDE if needed
|| [[#t15:19:22|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh, for alpha i just put (fallback) in brackets with some results. but that seems suboptimal.
|| [[#t15:19:27|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info We have until Wednesday (2011-04-06) to wrap up testing of the installation and desktop matrices
|| [[#t15:19:28|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | vhumpa: sure
|| [[#t15:19:29|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | please do!
|| [[#t15:19:34|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:42"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska runs blocker -&gt; wiki script
|| [[#t15:19:42|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
|| [[#t15:19:44|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:52"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | f15_DVD_sugar
| style="color: #539e9e" | fallback is great when updated on VirtualBox4.0.4OSX
|| [[#t15:19:52|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:11"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska appears caught up on IRC now
|| [[#t15:20:11|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix
|| [[#t15:20:39|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:50"
| colspan="2" | * vhumpa yays the idea
|| [[#t15:20:50|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I proposed a beta blocker for missing icons in the fallback menus ... assuming those are still covered by our existing menu icon criteria
|| [[#t15:21:07|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: :)
|| [[#t15:21:10|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:28"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | fallback is fine on Vitrualbox4.0.4 OSX even better when updated  7 missing icons here
|| [[#t15:21:28|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | the blocker bug counts aren't looking horrible
|| [[#t15:21:47|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: i think that's a final blocker, not beta?
|| [[#t15:21:51|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything additional folks would like to highlight with regards to F-15-Beta-TC1 testing?
|| [[#t15:22:03|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: from final criteria - "All Applications listed in the desktop menus must have icons which have a consistent appearance and sufficiently high resolution to avoid appearing blurry "
|| [[#t15:22:11|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:50"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | networking does not start as pcizp1 is etho and not started till clicked in VB4
|| [[#t15:22:50|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: anything you wanted to call out on #topic ?
|| [[#t15:23:21|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | not really
|| [[#t15:23:28|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:14"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: KDE should working doing rather well, considering the presumed user shock from G3 ;)
|| [[#t15:24:14|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, moving on to next topic
|| [[#t15:24:59|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:09"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | brunowolff
| style="color: #a25555" | 679486 still seems to be a problem with KDE.
|| [[#t15:25:09|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah
|| [[#t15:25:16|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:49"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice joins in late..
|| [[#t15:25:49|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks all for some good TC1 testing
|| [[#t15:25:56|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there still are a fair number of installer bugs that are in ON_QA
|| [[#t15:26:03|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll try to knock out 4 or so this afternoon
|| [[#t15:26:11|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah, I set it as a Final blocker
|| [[#t15:26:19|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | using that same criteria
|| [[#t15:26:24|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: just was confirming that those criteria also applied ot fallback mode
|| [[#t15:26:37|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: where are we with getting an updated anaconda?
|| [[#t15:26:41|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:43"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU waves
|| [[#t15:26:43|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: yeah, as i see it, we treat it as another desktop which can also block release.
|| [[#t15:26:52|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: okay
|| [[#t15:27:31|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: Viking-Ice hello
|| [[#t15:27:34|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: we have an updated anaconda, that didn't land in TC1 as intended.  We can request a TC2, but I don't know if that's required at this point, thoughts?
|| [[#t15:28:19|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:32"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | did I miss any discussion of bug 689291 or so as yet?
|| [[#t15:28:32|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:39"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | as I'm actually here now ;)
|| [[#t15:28:39|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: we're not walking the bug list in this meeting
|| [[#t15:28:54|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: did the latest-latest land? i'm kinda behind the anaconda state of the art.
|| [[#t15:29:01|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:03"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | ah. fair enough then ;)
|| [[#t15:29:03|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: but we can highlight specific bugs that aren't getting attention if needed
|| [[#t15:29:05|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I'll circle back w/ clumens after meeting, I suspect there will be another build needed for RC1
|| [[#t15:29:25|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:36"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | well, with Dan Williams tips, I managed to find the root cause of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291
|| [[#t15:29:36|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: do you think a TC2 is appropriate/needed ... or will a boot.iso (nightly build) suffice?
|| [[#t15:30:03|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:32"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | it seems NetworkManager barfs with an ipv6 RA of AdvRDNSSLifetime with a value of infinite. It probably shouldn't barf, but any value other than infinite works.
|| [[#t15:30:32|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:32"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith leans towards a TC2 (but isn't nearly as informed as adamw)
|| [[#t15:30:32|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: it doesn't look like we have any real game overs, right? so probably don't need tc2
|| [[#t15:30:33|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | CRCinAU: can you maybe hold it until it's on topic?
|| [[#t15:30:44|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: that's what I'm seeing, but we can always adjust as needed
|| [[#t15:30:44|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:56"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU holds
|| [[#t15:30:56|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | thanks
|| [[#t15:30:58|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there isn't a lot of time to absorb a TC2 ... but perhaps we can let the bugs do the talking
|| [[#t15:31:01|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1
|| [[#t15:31:36|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I'll look at the beta blocking bugs linked from the install page after this meeting, we can talk more in #fedora-qa through the details?
|| [[#t15:32:07|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | sure
|| [[#t15:32:15|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images
|| [[#t15:32:27|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Okay, quick update on upcoming events, and then we'll open up the meeting for discussion
|| [[#t15:32:53|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:54"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | CRCinAU: this isn't a blocker review meeting, so unless there's something for the whole qa group to discuss regarding that bug, we don't necessarily need to bring it up
|| [[#t15:32:54|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Upcoming QA events
|| [[#t15:33:02|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | CRCinAU: this is just the QA weekly meeting...
|| [[#t15:33:07|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Thursday, April 7 - F-15-Beta RC1 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
|| [[#t15:33:17|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Shouldn't be a surprise, but it seems we are on target for an RC1 build later this week
|| [[#t15:33:35|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:51"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU nods - but its a rare miracle I'm actually awake at this time of morning - so I *very* rarely make it to any meetings.
|| [[#t15:33:51|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | In order to compose an RC, all accepted blocker bugs must have tested builds available
|| [[#t15:34:10|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | If there are any delays, we can certainly adjust and request TC2 instead ... some flexibility may be needed here
|| [[#t15:34:43|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | any thoughts/comments/concerns on RC1 scheduled for this week?
|| [[#t15:34:49|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i think we're probably in good shape
|| [[#t15:34:55|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next up ...
|| [[#t15:35:18|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Friday, April 1 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5
|| [[#t15:35:24|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | oops
|| [[#t15:35:27|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #undo
|| [[#t15:35:29|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Removing item from minutes: &lt;MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x242a5050&gt;
|| [[#t15:35:29|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Friday, April 8 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5
|| [[#t15:35:32|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there we go
|| [[#t15:35:33|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | cut'n'paste fail
|| [[#t15:35:37|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't think we have a blocker review scheduled for this Friday
|| [[#t15:35:52|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but I've tentatively listed it here, since I suspect some bug review will probably be needed
|| [[#t15:36:07|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and, apologies for slacking during the last 2 meetings.  I will be present this week
|| [[#t15:36:18|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we do not have any test days scheduled this week ... which is good, so we can focus on Beta tests + bugs
|| [[#t15:37:07|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, i don't know why we don't schedule one for after the rc.
|| [[#t15:37:11|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | (blocker meeting that is)
|| [[#t15:37:20|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I just assumed it would be needed, and plan on announcing it again anyway
|| [[#t15:37:40|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hopefully someone shows up!
|| [[#t15:37:44|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:57"
| colspan="2" | * adamw will
|| [[#t15:37:57|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: maybe we can add another blocker meeting (for this Friday) to the quality schedule?
|| [[#t15:38:15|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:36"
! style="background-color: #5959a9" | rbergeron
| style="color: #5959a9" | jlaska: yes
|| [[#t15:38:36|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info The next scheduled test day is 2011-04-14 - Virtualization (http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/162)
|| [[#t15:38:45|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:58"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU pricks up his ears
|| [[#t15:38:58|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: sweet, thanks!
|| [[#t15:39:06|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:17"
| colspan="2" | * satellit__ also
|| [[#t15:39:17|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Anyone interested in reaching out to jforbes and company on the planned Virtualization test day?
|| [[#t15:39:32|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:47"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | and if said test day includes anything Xen ;)
|| [[#t15:39:47|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | he pulled the last one together, so i'm not hugely worried about this
|| [[#t15:40:05|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tflink
| style="color: #854685" | CRCinAU: I asked the Xen folks about that, I don't think they were very interested
|| [[#t15:40:09|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | but yeah, we can just give him a quick ping to remind that it's coming up
|| [[#t15:40:13|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:35"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU would kill his firstborn for Xen to be native in F15 lol
|| [[#t15:40:35|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I was hoping we could incorporate/recognize some feedback we have from the last 3 virt test day attempts
|| [[#t15:40:43|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and try to keep the event more focused
|| [[#t15:40:56|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll reach out to jforbes in the ticket this week to see what we can do
|| [[#t15:41:28|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska will check-in with jforbes on the upcoming Virtualization test day
|| [[#t15:41:44|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:44"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | alas, it seems that the kernel still isn't ready for that - it seems .40 or so before the stock kernel will be Xen Dom0 capable - so I guess it'll be beyond the test day scope
|| [[#t15:41:44|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: sounds good
|| [[#t15:41:57|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: seems so
|| [[#t15:41:57|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - &lt;Your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t15:42:08|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Okay gang, it's that time
|| [[#t15:42:14|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:18"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | unless patches are obtains out of the stock tree for it
|| [[#t15:42:18|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | any topics not included in the agenda that need our attention in this meeting?
|| [[#t15:42:23|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:35"
! style="background-color: #adad5b" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #adad5b" | nothing from me
|| [[#t15:42:35|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:39"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU raises his hand
|| [[#t15:42:39|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: what's up?
|| [[#t15:42:52|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:52"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | this is mainly for adamw, but yeah
|| [[#t15:42:52|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:52"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291
|| [[#t15:42:52|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291
|| [[#t15:43:01|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:12"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | its 'maybe, maybe not' blocker atm - I've pretty much found the root cause.
|| [[#t15:43:12|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:39"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | it seems NetworkManager or its interactions barf with an IPv6 RA for a AdvRDNSSLifetime of infinity
|| [[#t15:43:39|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:53"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | any value other than infinity works as expected.
|| [[#t15:43:53|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | if it only happens if your router is a custom job with non-default settings, i'm not worried.
|| [[#t15:43:58|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | if any actual off-the-shelf router would have that setting...maaaybe.
|| [[#t15:44:11|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:17"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | so I have no idea if this will still classify as a blocker or not - as I'm not sure how common this option would be
|| [[#t15:44:17|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | is this something a *lot* of testers/users will encounter?
|| [[#t15:44:21|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:30"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | in fact, not sure how common *anyone* using IPv6 will be.
|| [[#t15:44:30|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | well, i think we agreed anything which hits all ipv6 is probably bad.
|| [[#t15:45:06|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:12"
| colspan="2" | * satellit__ Bend Oregon has it here
|| [[#t15:45:12|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:13"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | well, the AdvRDNSSLifetime lifetime can be just about anywhere from 0 to infinite. What the 'normal' setup will be is a mystery to me
|| [[#t15:45:13|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | but given how customized your case is, i'm not sure we can really conclude much from it.
|| [[#t15:45:22|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | let's ask dcbw in the bug, what his sense is for how common a configuration this is
|| [[#t15:45:29|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, good idea.
|| [[#t15:45:33|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | at the very least, you've got something that could land in CommonBugs
|| [[#t15:45:42|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone else have ideas?
|| [[#t15:45:47|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:53"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | still, if it's a straightforward fix, the obvious thing would be to Fix The Damn Thing.
|| [[#t15:45:53|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:25"
| colspan="2" | * CRCinAU nods. it is a bug, but I don't really believe it to be a blocker - as it's not really a case of any IPv6 RA breaks it as I originally thought it to be
|| [[#t15:46:25|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tflink
| style="color: #854685" | CRCinAU: there are some private repos for Xen Dom0 capable fedora kernels. check out the xen@lists.fp.o archives
|| [[#t15:47:12|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: well, in that case ... you can remove blocks:F15Beta and add keyword:CommonBugs
|| [[#t15:47:15|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:17"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | adamw would know about how it fits the criteria for blockers than me ;)
|| [[#t15:47:17|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | let's follow up in the bug.
|| [[#t15:47:31|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | commonbugs is worth keeping, i think.
|| [[#t15:47:41|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh, 'and add', doh ;)
|| [[#t15:47:50|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:53"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | nm does not find pci2p1 wired connection on startup with Virtualbox need to click it to start it?
|| [[#t15:47:53|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:58"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | the problem is that there don't see to be *any* default type settings for IPv6 as yet :P
|| [[#t15:47:58|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | satellit__: please hold
|| [[#t15:48:14|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:45"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | so really, I'm unsure of the effect - however CommonBugs is probably better.
|| [[#t15:48:45|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we can wait for dan's feedback.
|| [[#t15:49:07|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:07"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I'm not a NM guru - but it seems like a simple state of NM thinking infinity == expired
|| [[#t15:49:07|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info based on feedback, recommend removing blocks:F15Beta and possibly adding keyword:CommonBugs
|| [[#t15:49:32|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: i'd rather keep the blocks for now, so we don't forget to re-check it with more info.
|| [[#t15:50:07|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks CRCinAU
|| [[#t15:50:12|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - &lt;Your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t15:50:15|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | any other discussion topics that we need to review in this meeting?
|| [[#t15:50:43|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:12"
! style="background-color: #b15db1" | Cerlyn
| style="color: #b15db1" | What is the status of the Nitrate/Fedora TCMS move?
|| [[#t15:51:12|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:21"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska lagging again
|| [[#t15:51:21|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Cerlyn: the nitrate package is going through package review, and we are working with infrastructure to setup a pilot demo instance
|| [[#t15:51:49|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 690728
|| [[#t15:52:20|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:23"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | jlaska: Bug 690728 Review Request: Nitrate - A test case management system written in Django - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690728
|| [[#t15:52:23|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2673
|| [[#t15:52:40|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Cerlyn: does that help?
|| [[#t15:53:31|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:46"
! style="background-color: #b15db1" | Cerlyn
| style="color: #b15db1" | a bit; I presume we aren't going to use it for F15 testing at this point then?
|| [[#t15:53:46|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i wouldn't think so.
|| [[#t15:54:10|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:13"
! style="background-color: #b15db1" | Cerlyn
| style="color: #b15db1" | thanks
|| [[#t15:54:13|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Cerlyn: possibly as a proof-of-concept to identify some kinks ... but not in any *official* capacity
|| [[#t15:54:18|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Cerlyn asked for status of the nitrate TCMS project
|| [[#t15:54:42|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | satellit__: was there something you wanted to discuss during this meeting?
|| [[#t15:54:47|15:54]]
|- id="t15:55:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | he had to start up his ethernet connection manually. which is normal, isn't it?
|| [[#t15:55:22|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:25"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | only that in VirtualBox DVD install does not start pci2p1
|| [[#t15:55:25|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, I believe that is by design
|| [[#t15:55:38|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:41"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | works when clicked
|| [[#t15:55:41|15:55]]
|- id="t15:56:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if you are performing a network installation, and you've enabled networking during install, it will set things up for the next boot
|| [[#t15:56:06|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, if you don't use the network during install, that's intended.
|| [[#t15:56:14|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:23"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | satellit__
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ok
|| [[#t15:56:23|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:28"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | I have created a bug report about that
|| [[#t15:56:28|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | several releases ago
|| [[#t15:56:31|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there is a slightly different behavior here now with the large initrd.img, and I need to verify that the existing behavior remains
|| [[#t15:56:32|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:36"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | agreed as bug, not fixed yet
|| [[#t15:56:36|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: knows this issue well :)
|| [[#t15:56:39|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | *: anything else to call out for the meeting?
|| [[#t15:56:54|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:56"
| colspan="2" | * kparal thinks this is the issue why Ubuntu rules. small usability things
|| [[#t15:56:56|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:57"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | hmmmm
|| [[#t15:56:57|15:56]]
|- id="t15:57:19"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | is it OT to talk about robatinos disos and alt?
|| [[#t15:57:19|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | no, what's your question?
|| [[#t15:57:29|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | depending on the question, we can determine where best to discuss
|| [[#t15:57:46|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:50"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I think he could *really* use some help getting a way to build the disos on alt. it seems there is some issue with using the makedelta due to compression changes
|| [[#t15:57:50|15:57]]
|- id="t15:58:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: what's the trouble, what can we help with?
|| [[#t15:58:09|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it's due to alt running rhel, isn't it?
|| [[#t15:58:23|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:24"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | this would make the disos available *much* quicker and save him from downloading many Gb of ISOs for each build
|| [[#t15:58:24|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - Building deltaISO images for QA
|| [[#t15:58:33|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:37"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | jlaska: CRCinAU: i can do that now
|| [[#t15:58:37|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:41"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I don't know if hes about at this time of night.
|| [[#t15:58:41|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: he joined the meeting, but may have stepped away
|| [[#t15:58:55|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:59"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | the version of xz is different on alt than required in F15
|| [[#t15:58:59|15:58]]
|- id="t15:59:13"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | hence you can't create an F15 diso on alt
|| [[#t15:59:13|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | what did the infrastructre folks suggest?
|| [[#t15:59:34|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:41"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | like i said, i'm able to do it now, so the disos will be much faster
|| [[#t15:59:41|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:46"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I talked to him the yesterday about maybe (somehow?) getting a static binary of makedelta or similar?
|| [[#t15:59:46|15:59]]
|- id="t16:00:09"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I'm not sure anyone or robatino has spoken to them - or even know how to get in touch with them
|| [[#t16:00:09|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | they have a mailing list and a trac instance and an irc channel.
|| [[#t16:00:24|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Well, that'd be my first step, to check-in with the infrastructure folks who manage those systems
|| [[#t16:00:29|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe they have ideas or can offer suggestions
|| [[#t16:00:35|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Though, I'll be happy to talk further with you or robatino
|| [[#t16:00:48|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and I'm sure we can come up with something
|| [[#t16:00:53|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:56"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | maybe yourself or adamw can point robatino in the right direction on doing it?
|| [[#t16:00:56|16:00]]
|- id="t16:01:12"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I don't have any access to alt - so I can't even tinker and see what I can figure out
|| [[#t16:01:12|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:16"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | can anyone read this?
|| [[#t16:01:16|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: the same folks who gave robatino access to alt would be a good start
|| [[#t16:01:18|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i'd say just mail them.
|| [[#t16:01:19|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | robatino: yeah, i saw it.
|| [[#t16:01:22|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: #fedora-admin or infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org
|| [[#t16:01:27|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | might be
|| [[#t16:01:33|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i also saw &lt;robatino&gt; like i said, i'm able to do it now, so the disos will be much faster
|| [[#t16:01:36|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tflink
| style="color: #854685" | am I missing something, or is this still an issue if it's currently working?
|| [[#t16:01:37|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:41"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | robatino: eyyy :)
|| [[#t16:01:41|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:43"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | ok, i've been busy saying that i can make the disos on alt now, and apparently no one saw it
|| [[#t16:01:43|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:46"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | adamw: yes.
|| [[#t16:01:46|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: hey!
|| [[#t16:01:48|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: i think jlaska and crcinau are somehow missing robatino's messages.
|| [[#t16:01:50|16:01]]
|- id="t16:02:05"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | robatino is like the devil. Speak his name and he appears ;) LOL
|| [[#t16:02:05|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:23"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | oh - my apologies - I hadn't heard that news.
|| [[#t16:02:23|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: so you are not having any difficulties?
|| [[#t16:02:34|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:44"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | I'll talk to you in private about how you managed it, as its probably OT here :)
|| [[#t16:02:44|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:55"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | no, the only little issue is that i don't have a metalink executable that will run on alt
|| [[#t16:02:55|16:02]]
|- id="t16:03:18"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | it first appeared in F11, alt is EL5.6 which is based on FC6
|| [[#t16:03:18|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info these are not the droids you are looking for
|| [[#t16:03:19|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | that can probably get sorted out, maybe via epel?
|| [[#t16:03:38|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: I think this is a non-issue ... robatino, confirm?
|| [[#t16:03:50|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:54"
! style="background-color: #5fb4b4" | robatino
| style="color: #5fb4b4" | it just means that i have to download my deltas in order to make and post the .metalink files, so there will be a little delay
|| [[#t16:03:54|16:03]]
|- id="t16:04:18"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska lagging
|| [[#t16:04:18|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh okay.
|| [[#t16:04:21|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | so...nothing to see here, move along?
|| [[#t16:04:24|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: okay, cool ... thanks for the update
|| [[#t16:04:32|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t16:04:52|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:52"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | robatino, adamw, jlaska: my apologies - I thought it was still broken.
|| [[#t16:04:52|16:04]]
|- id="t16:05:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Okay, setting the fuse for 2 minutes (and likely longer since I appear to be lagging still)
|| [[#t16:05:08|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | If no other topics, I'll #endmeeting soon
|| [[#t16:05:18|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:35"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | CRCinAU
| style="color: #57a657" | see what happens when you miss out on 24 hours of news ;) LOL
|| [[#t16:05:35|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | CRCinAU: no worries
|| [[#t16:05:41|16:05]]
|- id="t16:06:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I saw them ... just lagged on my end
|| [[#t16:06:50|16:06]]
|- id="t16:07:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Last call for topics ...
|| [[#t16:07:06|16:07]]
|- id="t16:08:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Okay, closing out the meeting since there are no other topics
|| [[#t16:08:34|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks everyone, I'll send minutes to the list later today
|| [[#t16:08:43|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:08:53|16:08]]
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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  • jlaska (164)
  • adamw (62)
  • CRCinAU (45)
  • satellit__ (10)
  • robatino (8)
  • tflink (7)
  • kparal (7)
  • vhumpa (6)
  • zodbot (5)
  • hircus (3)
  • Cerlyn (3)
  • fenris02 (3)
  • rbergeron (3)
  • jsmith (3)
  • Viking-Ice (2)
  • jskladan (1)
  • f15_DVD_sugar (1)
  • brunowolff (1)


Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. adamwill and vhumpa rescheduled GnomeShell #3 for April 21
  2. tflink and adamwill handled announcements (test-announce and blog) for Printing test day
  3. tflink looked into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug ... good news, false alarm (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-March/001849.html)
  4. nirik updated the nightly-composes directory to eliminate any 404's and use index.html (see http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/)

F-15-Beta TC1 status

Upcoming QA events

Thursday, April 7 - F-15-Beta RC1

  • Request: task#40
  • STATUS: INPROGRESS

Friday, April 8 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5

Thursday, April 14 - Virtualization Test Day

  • Request: fedora-qa#162
  • STATUS: INPROGRESS
  • Jlaska will check-in with jforbes to see if any assistance is needed

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

RHBZ #689291

Nitrate project status

  • Request: Cerlyn asked for status on the Nitrate project
  • Jlaska noted that the nitrate-devel team has a package going through review (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690728)
  • Jlaska noted that we are requesting space to host a demo nitrate instance (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2673)
  • Cerlyn asked if nitrate would be used to verify Fedora 15. AdamW responded it would not be. Jlaska added it will hopefully be used as a demonstration, but it likely won't be officially used for Fedora 15 testing.

Problems building delta-ISO images?

  • Request: CRCinAU noted that robatino was having trouble building delta-ISO images on alt.fp.org.
  • Robatino confirmed that he was no longer having issues, but was manually working around the lack of

Action items

  1. adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix
  2. jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1
  3. jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images
  4. jlaska will check-in with jforbes on the upcoming Virtualization test day

IRC Log

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Apr 4 15:00:32 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Roll Call! 15:00
jlaska adamw: hey there 15:00
* tflink is here 15:00
jlaska hey tflink 15:01
* vhumpa jumps in 15:01
* kparal present 15:01
* adamw still here 15:01
jlaska :) 15:01
* hircus here 15:01
jlaska hey vhumpa kparal hircus 15:01
* jskladan lurks 15:02
* satellit__ lurking 15:02
jlaska hello lurkers! :) 15:02
jlaska one more minute, and we'll get this party started 15:02
* rbergeron gets out the party horns 15:03
jlaska :) 15:03
jlaska anyone else lurking (robatino, Viking-Ice)? 15:03
* robatino is here 15:03
jlaska howdy 15:04
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:04
jlaska one sec ... wiki not responding 15:04
jlaska #info adamwill and vhumpa rescheduled Gnome Shell test day to April 21 15:05
jlaska thanks gents 15:05
jlaska #info tflink to handle announcements for Printing test day 15:05
jlaska thanks tflink and adamwill for getting the word out for the printing event 15:05
adamw yay printing 15:06
jlaska #info tflink looking into stale -pending tags and determine whether autoqa or bodhi bug 15:06
jlaska iirc, tflink posted the response to autoqa-devel@lists.fh.org 15:06
jlaska I can't access the archives at the moment, yay 15:06
tflink yep 15:06
jlaska but I think that's [x] done 15:06
adamw general yay 15:06
tflink I spoke too quickly - there were no stale tags 15:06
jlaska and last one I had was ... 15:06
* hircus noticing shiny new GNOME 3.0 packages in Koji 15:07
jlaska #info nirik updated nightly-composes directory to eliminate 404's, and add a friendly index.html 15:07
jlaska tflink: oh right, thanks 15:07
jlaska #link http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ 15:07
jlaska iirc, I think kparal might have also helped in tweaking the nightly compose html? 15:08
adamw yay shiny index.html! 15:08
kparal jlaska: just the page layout 15:08
adamw man, i'm running out of yay. 15:08
* kparal learned css basics finally 15:08
jlaska is it just me, are these links working for others? 15:08
satellit__ work fine 15:09
jlaska okay, so just my networking 15:09
vhumpa works great 15:09
fenris02 works ok here 15:09
jlaska adamw: feed the yay machine 15:09
hircus looks fine here with Chrome 15:09
jlaska cool, so hopefully others can assist if any lookups are needed ... I'm unable to get there atm 15:11
jlaska okay, let's get started ... 15:11
jlaska #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status 15:11
jlaska okay, so this of course doesn't help since I can't access the bug lists 15:11
jlaska yay, networking back up 15:11
jsmith Networking is a good thing :-) 15:11
fenris02 has selinux-policy -10 or higher been pushed to stable yet? (required to make the next iso usable) 15:12
jlaska heh ... zodbot ... catch up 15:13
jlaska apparently 15:13
jlaska zodbot: please do the needful 15:13
* fenris02 smirks 15:13
jlaska #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status 15:13
jlaska well, let's forge ahead without zodbot, maybe it will catch up 15:14
adamw fenris02: yes. (actually, it would never have been a problem for ISO composes, as a 'broken' systemd never made it to stable.) 15:14
jlaska #link http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-proposed 15:14
jlaska #link http://bit.ly/f15-beta-blocker-accepted 15:14
adamw jlaska: uh, it worked. 15:15
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test 15:15
adamw <jlaska> #topic F-15-Beta-TC1 status 15:15
adamw --- zodbot has changed the topic to: F-15-Beta-TC1 status (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) 15:15
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test 15:15
adamw is what I get in my logs. 15:15
jlaska cool, a few new faces on the Desktop test matrix 15:15
tflink yeah, I see it, too 15:15
adamw jlaska: caillon and jreiser, so not 'new', but new to desktop testing =) 15:15
* rbergeron notes that the intertubes have been broken all to heck all night 15:15
adamw so on the desktop matrix we have two questionable 'fails' 15:16
adamw i'm keeping an eye on those 15:16
* jlaska LAAAAAAGGGED 15:16
* jlaska just now catching up 15:16
jlaska adamw: anyone want to volunteer to #chair here ... the lag is working against me 15:17
vhumpa Could we also use some help around other desktop environments there, or do we focus completely on Gnome? 15:17
jlaska sorry, not meant for adamw ... anyone really 15:17
* jsmith could chair, but doesn't really know the agenda, etc. 15:17
adamw vhumpa: only gnome can block the release 15:18
adamw oh, and kde 15:18
adamw vhumpa: but it's always good to check the others 15:18
adamw i also should add a column to that table for 'gnome fallback mode', which i did for alpha iirc - it seems the best way to ensure both shell and fallback are okay 15:19
vhumpa adamw: I can do some tests on KDE if needed 15:19
adamw oh, for alpha i just put (fallback) in brackets with some results. but that seems suboptimal. 15:19
jlaska #info We have until Wednesday (2011-04-06) to wrap up testing of the installation and desktop matrices 15:19
adamw vhumpa: sure 15:19
adamw please do! 15:19
* jlaska runs blocker -> wiki script 15:19
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers 15:19
f15_DVD_sugar fallback is great when updated on VirtualBox4.0.4OSX 15:19
* jlaska appears caught up on IRC now 15:20
jlaska #action adamw will add a 'gnome fallback mode' to the F-15-Beta Desktop test matrix 15:20
* vhumpa yays the idea 15:20
jlaska adamw: I proposed a beta blocker for missing icons in the fallback menus ... assuming those are still covered by our existing menu icon criteria 15:21
jlaska vhumpa: :) 15:21
satellit__ fallback is fine on Vitrualbox4.0.4 OSX even better when updated 7 missing icons here 15:21
jlaska the blocker bug counts aren't looking horrible 15:21
adamw jlaska: i think that's a final blocker, not beta? 15:21
jlaska anything additional folks would like to highlight with regards to F-15-Beta-TC1 testing? 15:22
adamw jlaska: from final criteria - "All Applications listed in the desktop menus must have icons which have a consistent appearance and sufficiently high resolution to avoid appearing blurry " 15:22
satellit__ networking does not start as pcizp1 is etho and not started till clicked in VB4 15:22
jlaska adamw: anything you wanted to call out on #topic ? 15:23
adamw not really 15:23
vhumpa adamw: KDE should working doing rather well, considering the presumed user shock from G3 ;) 15:24
jlaska okay, moving on to next topic 15:24
brunowolff 679486 still seems to be a problem with KDE. 15:25
jlaska adamw: yeah 15:25
* Viking-Ice joins in late.. 15:25
jlaska thanks all for some good TC1 testing 15:25
jlaska there still are a fair number of installer bugs that are in ON_QA 15:26
jlaska I'll try to knock out 4 or so this afternoon 15:26
jlaska adamw: yeah, I set it as a Final blocker 15:26
jlaska using that same criteria 15:26
jlaska adamw: just was confirming that those criteria also applied ot fallback mode 15:26
adamw jlaska: where are we with getting an updated anaconda? 15:26
* CRCinAU waves 15:26
adamw jlaska: yeah, as i see it, we treat it as another desktop which can also block release. 15:26
jlaska adamw: okay 15:27
jlaska CRCinAU: Viking-Ice hello 15:27
jlaska adamw: we have an updated anaconda, that didn't land in TC1 as intended. We can request a TC2, but I don't know if that's required at this point, thoughts? 15:28
CRCinAU did I miss any discussion of bug 689291 or so as yet? 15:28
CRCinAU as I'm actually here now ;) 15:28
jlaska CRCinAU: we're not walking the bug list in this meeting 15:28
adamw jlaska: did the latest-latest land? i'm kinda behind the anaconda state of the art. 15:29
CRCinAU ah. fair enough then ;) 15:29
jlaska CRCinAU: but we can highlight specific bugs that aren't getting attention if needed 15:29
jlaska adamw: I'll circle back w/ clumens after meeting, I suspect there will be another build needed for RC1 15:29
CRCinAU well, with Dan Williams tips, I managed to find the root cause of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291 15:29
jlaska adamw: do you think a TC2 is appropriate/needed ... or will a boot.iso (nightly build) suffice? 15:30
CRCinAU it seems NetworkManager barfs with an ipv6 RA of AdvRDNSSLifetime with a value of infinite. It probably shouldn't barf, but any value other than infinite works. 15:30
* jsmith leans towards a TC2 (but isn't nearly as informed as adamw) 15:30
adamw jlaska: it doesn't look like we have any real game overs, right? so probably don't need tc2 15:30
adamw CRCinAU: can you maybe hold it until it's on topic? 15:30
jlaska adamw: that's what I'm seeing, but we can always adjust as needed 15:30
* CRCinAU holds 15:30
adamw thanks 15:30
jlaska there isn't a lot of time to absorb a TC2 ... but perhaps we can let the bugs do the talking 15:31
jlaska #action jlaska to discuss next anaconda build with clumens for RC1 15:31
jlaska adamw: I'll look at the beta blocking bugs linked from the install page after this meeting, we can talk more in #fedora-qa through the details? 15:32
adamw sure 15:32
jlaska #action jlaska review installer beta blockers, discuss w/ adamw on need for TC2 test images 15:32
jlaska Okay, quick update on upcoming events, and then we'll open up the meeting for discussion 15:32
adamw CRCinAU: this isn't a blocker review meeting, so unless there's something for the whole qa group to discuss regarding that bug, we don't necessarily need to bring it up 15:32
jlaska #topic Upcoming QA events 15:33
adamw CRCinAU: this is just the QA weekly meeting... 15:33
jlaska #info Thursday, April 7 - F-15-Beta RC1 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html 15:33
jlaska Shouldn't be a surprise, but it seems we are on target for an RC1 build later this week 15:33
* CRCinAU nods - but its a rare miracle I'm actually awake at this time of morning - so I *very* rarely make it to any meetings. 15:33
jlaska In order to compose an RC, all accepted blocker bugs must have tested builds available 15:34
jlaska If there are any delays, we can certainly adjust and request TC2 instead ... some flexibility may be needed here 15:34
jlaska any thoughts/comments/concerns on RC1 scheduled for this week? 15:34
adamw i think we're probably in good shape 15:34
jlaska next up ... 15:35
jlaska #info Friday, April 1 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5 15:35
jlaska oops 15:35
jlaska #undo 15:35
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jlaska #info Friday, April 8 - F-15-Beta Blocker #5 15:35
jlaska there we go 15:35
jlaska cut'n'paste fail 15:35
jlaska I don't think we have a blocker review scheduled for this Friday 15:35
jlaska but I've tentatively listed it here, since I suspect some bug review will probably be needed 15:36
jlaska and, apologies for slacking during the last 2 meetings. I will be present this week 15:36
jlaska we do not have any test days scheduled this week ... which is good, so we can focus on Beta tests + bugs 15:37
adamw yeah, i don't know why we don't schedule one for after the rc. 15:37
adamw (blocker meeting that is) 15:37
jlaska adamw: I just assumed it would be needed, and plan on announcing it again anyway 15:37
jlaska hopefully someone shows up! 15:37
* adamw will 15:37
jlaska rbergeron: maybe we can add another blocker meeting (for this Friday) to the quality schedule? 15:38
rbergeron jlaska: yes 15:38
jlaska #info The next scheduled test day is 2011-04-14 - Virtualization (http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/162) 15:38
* CRCinAU pricks up his ears 15:38
jlaska rbergeron: sweet, thanks! 15:39
* satellit__ also 15:39
jlaska Anyone interested in reaching out to jforbes and company on the planned Virtualization test day? 15:39
CRCinAU and if said test day includes anything Xen ;) 15:39
adamw he pulled the last one together, so i'm not hugely worried about this 15:40
tflink CRCinAU: I asked the Xen folks about that, I don't think they were very interested 15:40
adamw but yeah, we can just give him a quick ping to remind that it's coming up 15:40
* CRCinAU would kill his firstborn for Xen to be native in F15 lol 15:40
jlaska adamw: I was hoping we could incorporate/recognize some feedback we have from the last 3 virt test day attempts 15:40
jlaska and try to keep the event more focused 15:40
jlaska I'll reach out to jforbes in the ticket this week to see what we can do 15:41
jlaska #action jlaska will check-in with jforbes on the upcoming Virtualization test day 15:41
CRCinAU alas, it seems that the kernel still isn't ready for that - it seems .40 or so before the stock kernel will be Xen Dom0 capable - so I guess it'll be beyond the test day scope 15:41
adamw jlaska: sounds good 15:41
jlaska CRCinAU: seems so 15:41
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> 15:42
jlaska Okay gang, it's that time 15:42
CRCinAU unless patches are obtains out of the stock tree for it 15:42
jlaska any topics not included in the agenda that need our attention in this meeting? 15:42
Viking-Ice nothing from me 15:42
* CRCinAU raises his hand 15:42
jlaska CRCinAU: what's up? 15:42
CRCinAU this is mainly for adamw, but yeah 15:42
CRCinAU https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291 15:42
jlaska #topic Open discussion - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689291 15:43
CRCinAU its 'maybe, maybe not' blocker atm - I've pretty much found the root cause. 15:43
CRCinAU it seems NetworkManager or its interactions barf with an IPv6 RA for a AdvRDNSSLifetime of infinity 15:43
CRCinAU any value other than infinity works as expected. 15:43
adamw if it only happens if your router is a custom job with non-default settings, i'm not worried. 15:43
adamw if any actual off-the-shelf router would have that setting...maaaybe. 15:44
CRCinAU so I have no idea if this will still classify as a blocker or not - as I'm not sure how common this option would be 15:44
jlaska is this something a *lot* of testers/users will encounter? 15:44
CRCinAU in fact, not sure how common *anyone* using IPv6 will be. 15:44
adamw well, i think we agreed anything which hits all ipv6 is probably bad. 15:45
* satellit__ Bend Oregon has it here 15:45
CRCinAU well, the AdvRDNSSLifetime lifetime can be just about anywhere from 0 to infinite. What the 'normal' setup will be is a mystery to me 15:45
adamw but given how customized your case is, i'm not sure we can really conclude much from it. 15:45
jlaska let's ask dcbw in the bug, what his sense is for how common a configuration this is 15:45
adamw yeah, good idea. 15:45
jlaska at the very least, you've got something that could land in CommonBugs 15:45
jlaska anyone else have ideas? 15:45
adamw still, if it's a straightforward fix, the obvious thing would be to Fix The Damn Thing. 15:45
* CRCinAU nods. it is a bug, but I don't really believe it to be a blocker - as it's not really a case of any IPv6 RA breaks it as I originally thought it to be 15:46
tflink CRCinAU: there are some private repos for Xen Dom0 capable fedora kernels. check out the xen@lists.fp.o archives 15:47
jlaska CRCinAU: well, in that case ... you can remove blocks:F15Beta and add keyword:CommonBugs 15:47
CRCinAU adamw would know about how it fits the criteria for blockers than me ;) 15:47
adamw let's follow up in the bug. 15:47
adamw commonbugs is worth keeping, i think. 15:47
adamw oh, 'and add', doh ;) 15:47
satellit__ nm does not find pci2p1 wired connection on startup with Virtualbox need to click it to start it? 15:47
CRCinAU the problem is that there don't see to be *any* default type settings for IPv6 as yet :P 15:47
jlaska satellit__: please hold 15:48
CRCinAU so really, I'm unsure of the effect - however CommonBugs is probably better. 15:48
adamw we can wait for dan's feedback. 15:49
CRCinAU I'm not a NM guru - but it seems like a simple state of NM thinking infinity == expired 15:49
jlaska #info based on feedback, recommend removing blocks:F15Beta and possibly adding keyword:CommonBugs 15:49
adamw jlaska: i'd rather keep the blocks for now, so we don't forget to re-check it with more info. 15:50
jlaska thanks CRCinAU 15:50
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> 15:50
jlaska any other discussion topics that we need to review in this meeting? 15:50
Cerlyn What is the status of the Nitrate/Fedora TCMS move? 15:51
* jlaska lagging again 15:51
jlaska Cerlyn: the nitrate package is going through package review, and we are working with infrastructure to setup a pilot demo instance 15:51
jlaska .bug 690728 15:52
zodbot jlaska: Bug 690728 Review Request: Nitrate - A test case management system written in Django - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690728 15:52
jlaska #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2673 15:52
jlaska Cerlyn: does that help? 15:53
Cerlyn a bit; I presume we aren't going to use it for F15 testing at this point then? 15:53
adamw i wouldn't think so. 15:54
Cerlyn thanks 15:54
jlaska Cerlyn: possibly as a proof-of-concept to identify some kinks ... but not in any *official* capacity 15:54
jlaska #info Cerlyn asked for status of the nitrate TCMS project 15:54
jlaska satellit__: was there something you wanted to discuss during this meeting? 15:54
adamw he had to start up his ethernet connection manually. which is normal, isn't it? 15:55
satellit__ only that in VirtualBox DVD install does not start pci2p1 15:55
jlaska yeah, I believe that is by design 15:55
satellit__ works when clicked 15:55
jlaska if you are performing a network installation, and you've enabled networking during install, it will set things up for the next boot 15:56
adamw yeah, if you don't use the network during install, that's intended. 15:56
satellit__ ok 15:56
kparal I have created a bug report about that 15:56
kparal several releases ago 15:56
jlaska there is a slightly different behavior here now with the large initrd.img, and I need to verify that the existing behavior remains 15:56
kparal agreed as bug, not fixed yet 15:56
jlaska kparal: knows this issue well :) 15:56
jlaska *: anything else to call out for the meeting? 15:56
* kparal thinks this is the issue why Ubuntu rules. small usability things 15:56
CRCinAU hmmmm 15:56
CRCinAU is it OT to talk about robatinos disos and alt? 15:57
jlaska no, what's your question? 15:57
jlaska depending on the question, we can determine where best to discuss 15:57
CRCinAU I think he could *really* use some help getting a way to build the disos on alt. it seems there is some issue with using the makedelta due to compression changes 15:57
jlaska robatino: what's the trouble, what can we help with? 15:58
adamw it's due to alt running rhel, isn't it? 15:58
CRCinAU this would make the disos available *much* quicker and save him from downloading many Gb of ISOs for each build 15:58
jlaska #topic Open discussion - Building deltaISO images for QA 15:58
robatino jlaska: CRCinAU: i can do that now 15:58
CRCinAU I don't know if hes about at this time of night. 15:58
jlaska CRCinAU: he joined the meeting, but may have stepped away 15:58
CRCinAU the version of xz is different on alt than required in F15 15:58
CRCinAU hence you can't create an F15 diso on alt 15:59
jlaska what did the infrastructre folks suggest? 15:59
robatino like i said, i'm able to do it now, so the disos will be much faster 15:59
CRCinAU I talked to him the yesterday about maybe (somehow?) getting a static binary of makedelta or similar? 15:59
CRCinAU I'm not sure anyone or robatino has spoken to them - or even know how to get in touch with them 16:00
adamw they have a mailing list and a trac instance and an irc channel. 16:00
jlaska Well, that'd be my first step, to check-in with the infrastructure folks who manage those systems 16:00
jlaska maybe they have ideas or can offer suggestions 16:00
jlaska Though, I'll be happy to talk further with you or robatino 16:00
jlaska and I'm sure we can come up with something 16:00
CRCinAU maybe yourself or adamw can point robatino in the right direction on doing it? 16:00
CRCinAU I don't have any access to alt - so I can't even tinker and see what I can figure out 16:01
robatino can anyone read this? 16:01
jlaska CRCinAU: the same folks who gave robatino access to alt would be a good start 16:01
adamw i'd say just mail them. 16:01
adamw robatino: yeah, i saw it. 16:01
jlaska CRCinAU: #fedora-admin or infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org 16:01
jlaska might be 16:01
adamw i also saw <robatino> like i said, i'm able to do it now, so the disos will be much faster 16:01
tflink am I missing something, or is this still an issue if it's currently working? 16:01
CRCinAU robatino: eyyy :) 16:01
robatino ok, i've been busy saying that i can make the disos on alt now, and apparently no one saw it 16:01
CRCinAU adamw: yes. 16:01
jlaska robatino: hey! 16:01
adamw tflink: i think jlaska and crcinau are somehow missing robatino's messages. 16:01
CRCinAU robatino is like the devil. Speak his name and he appears ;) LOL 16:02
CRCinAU oh - my apologies - I hadn't heard that news. 16:02
jlaska robatino: so you are not having any difficulties? 16:02
CRCinAU I'll talk to you in private about how you managed it, as its probably OT here :) 16:02
robatino no, the only little issue is that i don't have a metalink executable that will run on alt 16:02
robatino it first appeared in F11, alt is EL5.6 which is based on FC6 16:03
jlaska #info these are not the droids you are looking for 16:03
adamw that can probably get sorted out, maybe via epel? 16:03
jlaska tflink: I think this is a non-issue ... robatino, confirm? 16:03
robatino it just means that i have to download my deltas in order to make and post the .metalink files, so there will be a little delay 16:03
* jlaska lagging 16:04
adamw oh okay. 16:04
adamw so...nothing to see here, move along? 16:04
jlaska robatino: okay, cool ... thanks for the update 16:04
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <your topic here> 16:04
CRCinAU robatino, adamw, jlaska: my apologies - I thought it was still broken. 16:04
jlaska Okay, setting the fuse for 2 minutes (and likely longer since I appear to be lagging still) 16:05
jlaska If no other topics, I'll #endmeeting soon 16:05
CRCinAU see what happens when you miss out on 24 hours of news ;) LOL 16:05
jlaska CRCinAU: no worries 16:05
jlaska adamw: I saw them ... just lagged on my end 16:06
jlaska Last call for topics ... 16:07
jlaska Okay, closing out the meeting since there are no other topics 16:08
jlaska thanks everyone, I'll send minutes to the list later today 16:08
jlaska #endmeeting 16:08

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