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Attendees

  • tflink (114)
  • jlaska (81)
  • adamw (80)
  • Viking-Ice (45)
  • kparal (6)
  • zodbot (5)
  • maxamillion (4)
  • nirik (3)
  • rbergeron (3)
  • dgilmore (2)
  • pschindl (2)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • athmane (1)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  • all follow-ups included in later agenda items

F16 Alpha status

  • Review of all open blocker bugs conducted: for details, see MeetBot summary

EC2 Test Day Recap

  • we had 5 people record test results during the test day
  • one new bug was filed, 3 people reproduced an old issue on the instance-store AMIs

08-11 Test Day slot

  • call for all to send any test day suggestions to the lists

Open Discussion

  • autoqa-0.6.0 was released

IRC Log

tflink #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:01
zodbot Meeting started Mon Aug 8 15:01:02 2011 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01
tflink #meetingname fedora-qa 15:01
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:01
tflink #topic roll call 15:01
tflink alrighty, let's get started 15:01
* nirik is lurking 15:01
* pschindl is here 15:01
* jlaska is here 15:02
* athmane is here 15:02
* kparal here 15:02
* mkrizek is present 15:02
tflink hello nirik, pschindl, jlaska, athmane, kparal, mkrizek 15:02
pschindl hi 15:02
tflink let's wait another couple of minutes for people to join and then get to business 15:03
* rbergeron is lurking in a double-booked-meeting type of way :\ 15:04
tflink ooh, that sounds like fun :) 15:05
* Viking-Ice sneaks in late... 15:05
tflink alrighty, lets get started. I'm new at this, so let me know if I'm not doing something right :) 15:05
tflink #topic Previous Meeting Followup 15:05
jlaska tflink: meetbot is very forgiving :) 15:05
* adamw throws peanuts from the front row 15:06
adamw SEND IN THE CLOWNS! 15:06
* tflink ducks and is thankful adamw isn't throwing tomatoes yet 15:06
tflink unless I'm missing something, I don't see anything to follow up with from last meeting that isn't already on the agenda 15:06
jlaska yeah 15:07
* Viking-Ice is armed with lettuce heads and laughs at people with tomatoes 15:07
* tflink is worried 15:07
adamw the vegetable artillery is out in force 15:07
tflink #topic F16 Alpha Status 15:08
tflink #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html 15:08
tflink #link F16 Alpha RC1 went out on Friday 15:08
* kparal made sure today we don't starve on reported bugs 15:09
adamw gee, thanks ;) 15:09
tflink #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-August/101689.html 15:09
jlaska kparal: bugs are only happy if they come with criteria :) 15:09
tflink hrm, that wasn't supposed to be a link 15:09
tflink #undo 15:09
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Viking-Ice we need to make another rc from the looks of it 15:09
tflink #unco 15:10
tflink #undo 15:10
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tflink #info F16 Alpha RC1 went out on Friday 15:10
tflink #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-August/101689.html 15:10
adamw so as an overview it looks like test coverage on rc1 install is fairly good 15:10
adamw base and desktop need doing 15:10
adamw and it's looking better than tc1 but clearly seems like we're gonna have to go to rc2 15:10
tflink did we get the new anaconda and NM in RC1? 15:10
adamw dennis says the new anaconda was in there 15:10
adamw and I think NM should be as i listed it on the ticket 15:11
* rbergeron notes she is getting ready to ship out the mail for wednesday's go/no-go meeting, FYI. 15:11
Viking-Ice yup I encountered bug 728700 and dgilmore mentioned some new file conflicts 15:11
jlaska an updated patch for the NM anaconda fix just landed on anaconda-devel@ 15:11
adamw rhe entered a pass for "QA:Testcase_install_repository_HTTP/FTP_graphical" so that would suggest networking is better in rc1 15:12
jlaska ^---> but this is for NTH 727951 15:12
* nirik wonders if we could get abiword in as a NTH... 15:12
dgilmore adamw: rc1 had anaconda and nm updates 15:12
adamw nirik: sure. file a bug 15:12
nirik https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=716005 might apply. 15:12
tflink jlaska: is that for the NM bug where interfaces are listed multiple times? 15:13
jlaska tflink: you got it 15:13
dgilmore http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/bleed/ is the side repo. where i put the packages we need to pull in 15:13
adamw well, if anaconda team does a build in time we'll pull it into rc2, i guess. 15:13
jlaska and given there are some new proposed anaconda blockers, that might end up landing in Alpha still 15:13
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers#Proposed_Blockers 15:13
adamw so i guess we should be going through the blockers filed so far and voting on those 15:13
adamw get the base and desktop testing done 15:13
adamw and then start pulling together a list of updates for rc2 15:14
tflink adamw: I assume that you mean right now, no? 15:14
* rbergeron nods 15:14
adamw tflink: right 15:14
jlaska adamw: heads up, that fedora-logos update needs an accompanying generic-logos update included 15:14
adamw tflink: do it async via comments 15:14
adamw jlaska: ok 15:14
jlaska adamw: discussing that in #fedora-releng 15:14
jlaska yay to depcheck for finding that :) 15:14
jlaska tflink: kparal: jskladan ^^^ 15:14
tflink good to hear :) 15:15
* kparal yays 15:15
tflink alrighy, time for some proposed blockers 15:15
jlaska Depcheck html results found fedora-logos problem - http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org/results/150310-autotest/10.5.124.164/depcheck/results/fedora-logos-16.0.0-.html 15:15
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692433 15:15
tflink #info Cannot connect to Gnome keyring daemon dialog becomes annoying 15:15
adamw jlaska: that's not strictly a blocker issue, of course, since generic-logos isn't on the dvd. 15:15
adamw (is it?) 15:15
Viking-Ice fyi that bug is against F15 15:16
jlaska adamw: it is not, you are correct 15:16
adamw see later comment 15:16
adamw comment #6 from rhe 15:16
jlaska adamw: we'll have to think about this for future updates when autoqa blocks bad deps ... but for now, we're clear 15:16
tflink Viking-Ice: true but rhe just reproduced it on F16 15:16
adamw that explains why it's proposed as a blocker 15:16
jlaska ugh 15:17
jlaska well, this seems pretty cut'n'dry for existing Alpha criteria 15:17
tflink The only thing I can think of for blocker criteria on this one is that it impedes testing 15:17
adamw tflink: it's the same criterion we accepted the NM bug under 15:17
jlaska #info May impact Alpha criteria "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included " 15:17
tflink nvm 15:17
adamw it prevents submission of bugs 15:17
tflink I missed rhe's last comment 15:18
adamw good news is there's a fix already, by the looks of it... 15:18
Viking-Ice oh that criteria 15:18
tflink proposed #agreed 692433 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included" 15:18
jlaska ack 15:18
Viking-Ice nack 15:18
Viking-Ice this criteria is failirue in it self if you are not network connected 15:19
jlaska Viking-Ice: not true 15:19
adamw ack 15:19
jlaska Viking-Ice: it prompts and allows the user to activate the network via nm-c-editor 15:19
jlaska (or at least that's the intended use) 15:19
Viking-Ice and if no network present 15:19
Viking-Ice et all 15:19
adamw Viking-Ice: it's worded that 'the installer must be capable of' 15:19
jlaska then install a network adapter :) 15:19
adamw Viking-Ice: not 'all users must always be able to' 15:20
adamw Viking-Ice: i.e., _as long as you provide it with the appropriate conditions_, the installer should be able to handle reporting bugs via the network 15:20
adamw obviously if there's no network, that's not an infringement of this criterion :) 15:20
tflink ok, we're at 3+ and 1-. Any other votes? 15:20
Viking-Ice I can file another one if we block this one based on I could not save the traceback to a stick 15:21
Viking-Ice but had to choose "logger" 15:21
jlaska Viking-Ice: you can, but that's not explicitly covered by the above criteria 15:21
jlaska Viking-Ice: we can discuss that after this list of bugs 15:21
tflink #agreed 692433 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included" 15:21
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728700 15:22
tflink #info Unhandled exeption occured Livecd RC1 spin 15:22
jlaska oops, looks like I should move the Blocks to the other bug it got DUP'd against 15:22
jlaska I'm not able to login to the desktop to test this issue yet, but if this is impacting all live installs, then yeah it meets Alpha criteria 15:22
jlaska #info May impact Alpha criteria "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media " 15:23
jlaska #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720070 - AttributeError: 'Iso9660FS' object has no attribute 'labelType' 15:23
Viking-Ice jlaska, happens on the dvd as well same issue 15:24
adamw "You must be the first to try a liveusb installation with anaconda's new bootloader code on x86. I'm working on a patch." 15:24
adamw implies that it happens to all live usb installs 15:24
jlaska oh, so it's specific to setting the keyboard to Icelandic? 15:24
Viking-Ice I used usb not plastic 15:24
adamw jlaska: looks like no 15:24
adamw jlaska: from the error type, it looks like something's assuming it's running from an optical disc-type-thing 15:25
tflink proposed #agreed - 720070 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 15:25
adamw jlaska: so i expect this happens if you install via usb, whether writing a live image to usb or the dvd iso to usb 15:26
jlaska so it's a problem when running the installer from a USB ... okay 15:26
jlaska adamw: err, do you mean installing to a USB device? 15:26
jlaska rather than installing _from_ a USB device? 15:26
adamw no, i think from one. 15:26
jlaska ah okay 15:27
adamw i'd vote provisional +1 given that understanding: we can confirm with dlehman in the bug and revisit if we're wrong? 15:27
jlaska we don't differentiate between the device type used when installing from ISO media 15:27
adamw Viking-Ice: btw...your USB stick isn't made of plastic? :) 15:27
tflink yeah, it just says live images 15:27
jlaska but yeah, I'd be provisional +1 and we can consider adjusting the criteria as needed 15:28
adamw we've been a bit fussy about 'supporting' install from dvd-written-to-usb before, but i think we've been pretty clear that live-written-to-usb is supported. 15:28
adamw brb, call of nature 15:28
Viking-Ice ack on the proposal 15:29
tflink ok, I've got +2 on the proposal 15:29
jlaska ack 15:29
tflink #agreed - 720070 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 15:29
jlaska and we can reevaluate should more info from dlehman turn up a more precise failure condition 15:29
jlaska s/condition/scenario/ 15:29
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728868 15:30
tflink #info anaconda could not parse metalink during the net installation 15:30
jlaska This is now fixed, dgilmore added a MirrorManager redirect so that path=fedora-16-ALpha is not recognized 15:30
jlaska however, code will be needed to ensure this bug doesn't come up every milestone 15:30
Viking-Ice ok so close? 15:30
tflink well, it doesn't sound like it was quite fixed yet 15:31
jlaska Viking-Ice: no ... I'd suggest we can move this to Beta since the original problem has been resolved 15:31
tflink it was band-aided 15:31
jlaska but future updates are still needed 15:31
jlaska so NTH for Alpha, or propsoed Beta maybe? 15:31
jlaska I'd vote for NTH for Alpha ... looks like clumens has a patch out for testing already 15:32
tflink proposed #agreed AcceptedNTH, proposed Beta Blocker - the symptoms have been band-aided and patches have been proposed to fix this in anaconda 15:32
Viking-Ice ack 15:32
jlaska ack 15:32
adamw ack 15:32
tflink #agreed AcceptedNTH, proposed Beta Blocker - the symptoms have been band-aided and patches have been proposed to fix this in anaconda 15:32
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728891 15:33
tflink #info rd.luks=0 is not removed when installing with encrypted root partition '/' 15:33
Viking-Ice hum dont think encrypted partition fall under alpha criteria 15:33
jlaska they do 15:33
tflink The installer must be able to complete an installation using the entire disk, existing free space, or existing Linux partitions methods, with or without encryption or LVM enabled 15:33
Viking-Ice great yet another thing added 15:33
jlaska yeah, what tflink said 15:33
adamw Viking-Ice: that's been there for ages 15:33
jlaska well, we haven't added this ... been there for some time 15:34
adamw ever since the big criteria re-write in fact 15:34
tflink proposed #agreed - 728891 - The installer must be able to complete an installation using the entire disk, existing free space, or existing Linux partitions methods, with or without encryption or LVM enabled 15:34
Viking-Ice ack 15:34
jlaska the Alpha covers install storage scenarios you can hit at the *first* partition screen ... no detailed/custom partitioning 15:34
tflink yeah, I thought this was added F15 sometime 15:34
adamw ack 15:34
jlaska ack 15:34
tflink #agreed - 728891 - The installer must be able to complete an installation using the entire disk, existing free space, or existing Linux partitions methods, with or without encryption or LVM enabled 15:34
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728657 15:34
tflink #info fileconflicts failure in 16-Alpha.RC1 DVDs 15:35
adamw Viking-Ice: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Alpha_Release_Criteria <--- read it and weep =) 15:35
jlaska the /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/report/io/NewtIO.py conflict is already tracked in another bz, right? 15:35
adamw as a process issue...when this test fails we should probably have multiple bugs for each conflicting package set 15:36
jlaska yeah 15:36
adamw a single bug is much harder to wrok with 15:36
tflink proposed #agreed - 728891 - AcceptedBlocker - Fileconflicts are interfering with media composition 15:36
adamw and it winds up assigned to someone who can't really fix it... 15:36
adamw ack 15:36
Viking-Ice ack 15:36
adamw we need to split this out and assign each bug to an appropriate maintainer 15:36
jlaska ack 15:37
tflink adamw: do I hear a volunteer? 15:37
tflink #agreed - 728891 - AcceptedBlocker - Fileconflicts are interfering with media composition 15:37
adamw tflink: sure 15:37
adamw jlaska: let me know if you find another report for the report conflict, i don't see one 15:37
tflink #action adamw to split up 728891 into separate bugs and assign them appropriately 15:38
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728863 15:38
jlaska adamw: will do 15:38
tflink #info Unable to get to gdm login when booting F16-Alpha-RC1 Live media 15:38
Viking-Ice selinux issue I belive 15:38
Viking-Ice hit that one work for me with selinux=0 15:38
jlaska is selinux turned on in the live image? 15:38
tflink I didn't think it was 15:39
Viking-Ice I would think so since the workaround for me was selinux=0 ;) 15:39
jlaska I'm not a big fan of that as a workaround for such a common use case 15:39
jlaska if the workaround was built into the isolinux.cfg file ... that'd be fine 15:39
adamw jlaska: yes. selinux is always turned on. 15:39
adamw there's a fix for this already 15:39
adamw so all we need to do is pull it into rc2 15:39
tflink proposed #agreed - 728863 - AcceptedBlocker - Following on from the previous criterion, after firstboot is completed and on subsequent boots, a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to a working graphical environment without unintended user intervention 15:39
Viking-Ice yeah we should always pull in the latest selinux-policy 15:39
jlaska adamw: huh, sorry ... I didn't realize that was the case for live images 15:39
jlaska tflink: ack 15:40
adamw ack 15:40
Viking-Ice ack 15:40
tflink #agreed - 728863 - AcceptedBlocker - Following on from the previous criterion, after firstboot is completed and on subsequent boots, a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to a working graphical environment without unintended user intervention 15:40
tflink ok, that's all of the proposed blockers that I see 15:40
jlaska Viking-Ice: did you have one you wanted to proposed? 15:41
tflink there are no new proposed NTH and I think we can review the accepted blockers outside the meeting 15:41
jlaska s/d?$/d?/ 15:41
jlaska ugh, nm 15:41
Viking-Ice  ? 15:41
* tflink waits a minute before moving on 15:41
jlaska Viking-Ice: you mentioned you had another bug you wanted to propose as a blocker, is that still the case? 15:41
Viking-Ice it's equally stupid use case as the report to bugzilla as in save to disk for anaconda traceback 15:42
Viking-Ice I rather want us to drop the other criteria 15:42
Viking-Ice then file a new one that you cant save the traceback to stick 15:43
jlaska so no bugs to propose then? 15:43
* tflink notes that we have another proposed alpha blocker 15:43
Viking-Ice which is 15:43
tflink I was waiting to see if you had one to propose 15:43
Viking-Ice jlaska, no bugs to propose 15:43
tflink #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729053 15:43
tflink #info traceback after first iteration of device discovery 15:43
tflink that's an interesting one but I'm not sure it's alpha blocker material 15:44
adamw mm...yeah 15:44
Viking-Ice ack on blocker 15:45
adamw it's kind of a breakage of several criteria, but depends on a specific condition: an apt-based install already on the system 15:45
adamw so we're in the 'room for discretion' area here 15:45
jlaska hrmm, no criteria that this hits ... so this may come down to ... right, as adamw said 15:45
jlaska I'd support NTH and commonBugs with an updates.img worst case 15:46
* jlaska would even write the entry 15:46
tflink so we've got +1 blocker and +1 NTH 15:46
Viking-Ice oh let's block on "cant save to bugzilla" but not on installer craps it self on device discovery. 15:46
Viking-Ice <sigh> 15:46
Viking-Ice ack on blocker 15:46
Viking-Ice allegedly this is supposed to be fixed in anaconda-16.15 15:47
Viking-Ice perhaps confirmation from anaconda team is in order 15:47
adamw right, but that's the post-alpha anaconda branch 15:47
adamw we'd need this to be pulled into 16.14.x to get it into rc2 15:47
tflink I guess I'm +1 NTH, -1 Alpha blocker, propose for beta for final blocker 15:47
jlaska we don't have criteria for this, so this comes down to a judgement call on the expected user impact 15:47
jlaska (or Viking-Ice [or anyone else] can propose criteria for review) 15:48
adamw jlaska: correction: we *do* have a criterion, but it's a conditional infringemnet. 15:48
jlaska adamw: yes, better phrased, thank you 15:48
jlaska I'm +1 NTH, -1 Blocker 15:48
adamw i'm probably +1 nth and +1 beta or final blocker...it's not terribly important, as since there's a fix already, if we make it NTH, we will get the fix for rc2 15:48
* maxamillion is *waaaaayyyy* late ... hopefully didn't miss the whole thing (apologies) 15:49
adamw maxamillion: we're on blocker bugs atm 15:49
tflink proposed #agreed - 729053 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH, proposed for F16 beta blocker - This only hits systems that already have an apt based installation, so not too many people for alpha. 15:49
maxamillion adamw: awesome :) 15:49
jlaska ack 15:50
Viking-Ice nack it's an blocker a strong blocker 15:50
tflink maxamillion: you made it in time for the last one 15:50
maxamillion tflink: lol ... bugger :/ 15:50
maxamillion silly $dayjob getting in the way 15:50
adamw ack 15:50
tflink it looks like we're +1 alpha blocker, -3 alpha blocker, +3 AlphaNTH 15:50
tflink it looks like the acks have it 15:51
tflink #agreed - 729053 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH, proposed for F16 beta blocker - This only hits systems that already have an apt based installation, so not too many people for alpha. 15:51
tflink alrighty, that should actually be the last of the proposed blockers this time 15:52
tflink let's see if we can get though the other things real quick 15:52
tflink #topic EC2 Test Day Recap 15:52
tflink #info we had 5 people record test results during the test day 15:53
tflink #info one new bug was filed, 3 people reproduced an old issue on the instance-store AMIs 15:53
tflink overall, I think it went pretty well 15:53
tflink it would have been nice to have a few more people but maybe for the F16 EC2 test day 15:53
adamw cool 15:54
adamw are you going to do a recap mail? 15:54
tflink yeah, it's on my list 15:54
tflink thanks again to athmane for putting the EC2 test cases together 15:54
tflink the httpd test script is really nice 15:55
tflink moving on since we're short on time 15:55
adamw go athmane! 15:55
tflink #topic 08-11 Test Day slot 15:55
jlaska yeah, slick 15:55
tflink I assume that this slot is still empty? 15:56
* tflink checks the wiki page 15:56
Viking-Ice slots are flexible 15:56
tflink #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_16_test_days 15:56
Viking-Ice if we need more we add more 15:56
adamw Viking-Ice: it's not about that, more about that we don't have a test day for this week and i wondered if anyone had any proposals 15:56
Viking-Ice oh expected running out of test slots 15:57
Viking-Ice adamw, is it not more up to maintainer approaching us then ourselves hosting test days for various stuff? 15:58
adamw Viking-Ice: both ways work 15:58
adamw i just wanted to note that the slot's empty and wonder if anyone had plans...if not, oh well, we'll move on 15:58
adamw not like we're not busy enough already =) 15:58
tflink do we want to do another gnome3 test day for F16 (probably not this week, though)? 15:58
adamw tflink: there probably should be one, yeah... 15:58
Viking-Ice rule of thumb dont test *DE until after alpha release 15:58
tflink yeah, I wasn't proposing it for this week 15:59
adamw tflink: should really be a to-do for me i guess 15:59
tflink I can't really think of any good ideas off the top of my head 15:59
tflink and I'm not hearing any right now, either 15:59
adamw well, let's move on then! 16:00
tflink yep 16:00
tflink #info send any test day suggestions to the lists 16:00
tflink #topic Open Discussion 16:00
tflink well, that's all that I can think of for today, any other topics? 16:00
tflink thanks to adamw for sending out the agenda 16:00
tflink since we're already over time, I'm setting the fuse to #endmeeting at 2 minutes 16:01
adamw not much 16:01
adamw if people could help with the base and desktop validation matrices that'd be great 16:01
adamw the base tests in particular are easy 16:02
adamw for desktop i guess you'll need to use selinux=0 =) 16:02
jlaska #link https://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/autoqa-0-6-released/ 16:02
tflink how could I have forgotten that? 16:02
jlaska #info yay ... autoqa-0.6.0 was released :) ... nice job autoqa-devel@ 16:02
tflink kparal: feel like doing an update on autoqa? 16:02
kparal it surprisingly works it seems 16:02
Viking-Ice ah how much faith is in these words 16:03
kparal tflink: I think it's pretty much covered in the announcement 16:03
kparal let's not waste time by repeating it 16:03
tflink ok, works for me 16:03
jlaska yup, sounds good 16:04
tflink any other topics? 16:04
jlaska When is it appropriate to start thinking about autoqa-0.6.1 (or 0.7.0) 16:04
tflink we can set up another planning meeting for later this week or early next week 16:05
jlaska cool, sounds good 16:05
jlaska I've got nothing else ... happy Alpha testing everyone :) 16:05
* tflink resets fuse for 3 minutes 16:06
tflink OK, that's all for today. Thanks for coming everyone and have fun testing the Alpha!! 16:07
tflink will send out minutes to the list 16:08
tflink #endmeeting 16:08

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