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= Attendees =
= Attendees =
* tflink (69)
* jreznik (17)
* randomuser` (16)
* Martix (15)
* BobLfoot (14)
* satellit (10)
* nirik (5)
* zodbot (4)
* spstarr (1)
* satellit_e (1)
* adamw (0)


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
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== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
* ''adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues''
* ''adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues'' - this was done, TC2 was requested and composed
* ''kparal to talk to martix and ensure [[Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates]] will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event''
* ''kparal to talk to martix and ensure [[Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates]] will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event'' - the Test Day went ahead as scheduled


== Fedora 19 Alpha status ==
== Fedora 19 Alpha status ==
* Alpha freeze would begin the following day (2013-04-02)
* Some concerns were raised about the thicket of firstboot replacements, including [[rhbug:929289|Bugzilla: #929289]]


== Test Days ==
== Test Days ==
* [[Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates|System Certificates Test Day]] review
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-02_OpenStack|OpenStack Test Day]] was ready to go, but announcement mails had not been sent out
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-02_OpenStack|OpenStack Test Day]] planning
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing|Printing Test Day]] was mostly ready, but some FIXMEs remained on the wiki page
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing|Printing Test Day]] planning


== Open floor ==
== Open floor ==
* Updated blocker tracking app for F19 was not yet ready, but a [https://qa.stg.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ staging instance] was available
* satellit reported that the SoaS spin was still not working


== Action items ==
== Action items ==
N/A


== IRC Log ==
== IRC Log ==
{|
|- id="t15:01:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting
|| [[#t15:01:49|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:49"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Apr  1 15:01:49 2013 UTC.  The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:01:49|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:49"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:01:49|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa-meeting
|| [[#t15:01:59|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting'
|| [[#t15:01:59|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll Cal
|| [[#t15:02:04|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair adamw
|| [[#t15:02:10|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: adamw tflink
|| [[#t15:02:10|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:32"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik is still around, nice meeting holidays
|| [[#t15:02:32|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:43"
| colspan="2" | * randomuser` is lurking - has a question if the opportunity presents itself
|| [[#t15:02:43|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | fyi - today is public holiday in the Czech Rep so don't expect more guys
|| [[#t15:03:15|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: interesting that the US holiday was friday and everyone else seems to be today
|| [[#t15:03:27|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:47"
| colspan="2" | * nirik is lurking around too, ping if I can help with anything.
|| [[#t15:03:47|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:58"
| colspan="2" | * satellit listening
|| [[#t15:03:58|15:03]]
|- id="t15:05:01"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is scrambling to put stuff together for the meeting - didn't realize he was leading today until just a little while ago
|| [[#t15:05:01|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | OK, lets get started and we'll see how well this goes missing so many people
|| [[#t15:06:37|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous Meeting Followup
|| [[#t15:06:48|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues
|| [[#t15:06:57|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info TC2 was requested last week
|| [[#t15:07:15|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info kparal to talk to martix and ensure Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event
|| [[#t15:07:27|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:43"
| colspan="2" | * Martix is here
|| [[#t15:07:43|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: did everything get done for the system certificates test day last week?
|| [[#t15:08:15|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | is it mtg today? I'm asking because of Easter
|| [[#t15:08:17|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | or was it postponed?
|| [[#t15:08:24|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: yeah, we're attempting the meeting despite the holiday
|| [[#t15:08:39|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | tflink: it was running, kparal might have more details
|| [[#t15:08:46|15:08]]
|- id="t15:10:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | this Tuesday is OpenStack and Thursday is Printing Test Day
|| [[#t15:10:08|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | OpenStack seems to be almost ready
|| [[#t15:10:40|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info System Certificates test day was scheduled, seems to have happened
|| [[#t15:11:24|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | about Printing, I'd like to add some Desktop related test cases, but I'm short on time this week
|| [[#t15:11:43|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | feel free to help with &lt;FIXME&gt; https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing
|| [[#t15:11:54|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: tuesday as in tomorrow?
|| [[#t15:11:57|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | tflink: yep
|| [[#t15:12:04|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: do
|| [[#t15:12:07|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: do you know who's handling the announcements?
|| [[#t15:12:20|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | tflink: I'm not running these test days, the guys listed in request tickets should announce them
|| [[#t15:13:37|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:33"
| colspan="2" | * tflink changes agenda order up since we're talking about test days now
|| [[#t15:14:33|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Test Days
|| [[#t15:14:39|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | :-)
|| [[#t15:14:41|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info OpenStack test day is scheduled for Tuesday (tomorrow)
|| [[#t15:15:12|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info the test day seems mostly ready, announcements have not yet been sent out
|| [[#t15:15:42|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Printing test day is scheduled for Thursday
|| [[#t15:16:11|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info printing test day is mostly ready but help with the FIXMEs would be much appreciated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing
|| [[#t15:16:48|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: did I miss anything or do you have anything to add?
|| [[#t15:17:07|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | no, its all
|| [[#t15:17:28|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Martix: ok, thanks for keeping on top of all that and showing up for a meeting on a holiday
|| [[#t15:17:57|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | is there anything else related to Test Days we need to cover before moving on to F19 Alpha status?
|| [[#t15:18:39|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | no problem, I was just hanging around
|| [[#t15:18:48|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | no
|| [[#t15:18:54|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Fedora 19 Alpha Status
|| [[#t15:19:55|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | so the alpha change deadline is tomorrow - Apr 02
|| [[#t15:20:49|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | freeze starts tomorrow, doesn't it? of
|| [[#t15:21:28|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | or do I still have my schedule mixed up?
|| [[#t15:21:38|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:53"
! style="background-color: #488888" | nirik
| style="color: #488888" | yes, it does.
|| [[#t15:21:53|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | nirik
| style="color: #488888" | branched will start using bodhi, etc.
|| [[#t15:22:07|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | yep, tmrw and sorry for the confusion in the schedule...
|| [[#t15:22:14|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:41"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik has to split that one wiki page to two - branching and branch freeze, still on my TODO list :(
|| [[#t15:22:41|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Fedora 19 Alpha Freeze starts tomorrow
|| [[#t15:22:46|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:16"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik would like to send reminder today
|| [[#t15:23:16|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | the blocker list doesn't look all that promising to be heading into freeze
|| [[#t15:23:20|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | (if nobody sent it - as the new zimbra sucks)
|| [[#t15:23:30|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:49"
| colspan="2" | * nirik hasn't sent anything. Happy to help draft or review something.
|| [[#t15:23:49|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: but I don't see there any strong blocker to enter freeze as for F18
|| [[#t15:24:42|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:24"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | jreznik: is this new Zimbra April's Fools joke?
|| [[#t15:25:24|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | Martix: it definitely is and does not work in FF for me (the ajax version)
|| [[#t15:25:41|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: yeah, I'm just not geting "warm fuzzzies" about only 2 weeks before release
|| [[#t15:25:44|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | gnome-initial-start ; initial-start ; firstboot  is a mess IMHO
|| [[#t15:26:00|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | so week and half for fixes
|| [[#t15:26:09|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | Martix
| style="color: #854685" | jreznik: unable to reproduce it, for me it works in F19.0.2
|| [[#t15:26:14|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: at least my local mail client is working today - I couldn't log in last night
|| [[#t15:26:15|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | BobLfoot: yeah, that is one of the bigger things which comes to mind
|| [[#t15:26:32|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | see #fedora-qa for 2 bugs
|| [[#t15:26:35|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | nirik: the complaint I got usually is - the exact time of the freeze, what time would suit the best for it?
|| [[#t15:27:07|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:34"
! style="background-color: #488888" | nirik
| style="color: #488888" | jreznik: I don't know... lets ask dgilmore, since he will be doing the work I expect.
|| [[#t15:27:34|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:38"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | small stuff but F19-tc3 won't start at all in centos 6 qemu-kvm ATM for me
|| [[#t15:27:38|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: I'll try to reach marsik tmrw to get more clarification and  status of firstboot mess
|| [[#t15:28:08|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: sounds good, thanks
|| [[#t15:28:38|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:20"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | for my edification what is to work when concerning gnome-initial-start, initial-start and firstboot
|| [[#t15:29:20|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #info one area of concern is the initial setup utilities (firstboot, initial-setup, gnome-initial-start)
|| [[#t15:29:33|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: I already talked to him but it's hard to get more details as it seems it wasn't as coordinated as we hoped it will be
|| [[#t15:30:18|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | BobLfoot: IIRC, firstboot should be dead now - gnome specific startup for gnome spin, initial-setup for everything else
|| [[#t15:30:35|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:24"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | OEM does not work
|| [[#t15:31:24|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:42"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | thx tflink that was what I thought, but was hearing conflicting opinions
|| [[#t15:31:42|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: and even no initial-setup at all if you do it in anaconda
|| [[#t15:32:09|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:49"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik: no initial setup at all if you don't do it in anaconda
|| [[#t15:32:49|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: ah, I didn't know about that part
|| [[#t15:33:03|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | that was the idea and in tc3 I see user creation in anaconda
|| [[#t15:33:27|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:33"
| colspan="2" | * tflink hasn't been testing as much as he would like - working on other things as of late
|| [[#t15:33:33|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | and that's everything what's needed
|| [[#t15:33:37|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:42"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | satellit_e
| style="color: #4d4d93" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=929289#c5
|| [[#t15:33:42|15:33]]
|- id="t15:35:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | it sounds like there's no shortage of stuff to do, as usual :)
|| [[#t15:35:37|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:26"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I filed a few bugs once bz came up -- what can I say :)
|| [[#t15:36:26|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | I see a lot of results from BobLfoot and robatino on TC3 from over the weekend :)
|| [[#t15:37:04|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | if there's nothing more, it would be time for ...
|| [[#t15:38:04|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open Floor
|| [[#t15:38:10|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:23"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | !
|| [[#t15:38:23|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:44"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | text-mode installer had a couple minor bugs
|| [[#t15:38:44|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:47"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | soas spin still is not working after boot....no bug filed yet
|| [[#t15:38:47|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | It looks like the new blocker tracking app isn't going to make it to production before freeze but you can test the staging instance
|| [[#t15:38:54|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://qa.stg.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/
|| [[#t15:39:14|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jreznik
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: that's what I wanted to ask - to add it to the freeze reminder... so I skip it for now
|| [[#t15:39:26|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: assuming you're talking about the tracker ... there has been a lot of learning on my end about how to get stuff ready for infra - this has taken about 10x longer than I was expecting
|| [[#t15:40:21|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | "oh yeah, that isn't going to work in production infra ... &lt;more coding/packaging tasks&gt; rinse, repeat ...
|| [[#t15:41:37|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | BobLfoot: I assume that bugs were filed?
|| [[#t15:41:56|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:11"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | yes -- I think for most all
|| [[#t15:42:11|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | satellit: do you know why it isn't working?
|| [[#t15:42:25|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: go ahead if you had something
|| [[#t15:42:40|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:12"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I didn't file on KDE no access to FAS cause I'd like 2nd validation
|| [[#t15:43:12|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:29"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | tflink no I do not. It boots asks for name and color then goes tof3 home screen and freezes  maybe jabber or networking fail
|| [[#t15:43:29|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:39"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | thanks, tflink
|| [[#t15:43:39|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Or on the iscsi, isdn and rngd services not starting as thats a final requirement not an alpha
|| [[#t15:44:00|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:11"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | I'm reexamining how the docs projects presents system requirements for Fedora, and was hoping for from insight from the QA folks
|| [[#t15:44:11|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:38"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | yes to the rest tflink
|| [[#t15:44:38|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: as in how much memory, cpu etc?
|| [[#t15:44:44|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:51"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | exactly
|| [[#t15:44:51|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | BobLfoot: yeah, those sounds not very alpha but good to know early
|| [[#t15:45:01|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | seems to require 2048 memory in VirtualBox for desktop anaconda
|| [[#t15:45:27|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:33"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | the easy way is to just publish what's needed to do a default gnome install, but as the discussion develops, I'm starting to think we can do better
|| [[#t15:45:33|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | the KDS-FAS would be alpha
|| [[#t15:45:36|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: it's hard to know this early in the release - I've heard a few reports of memory/cpu hogging stuff but this is pre-alpha
|| [[#t15:45:38|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:59"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | really, I'm not sure of where to get the figures, at all
|| [[#t15:45:59|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:31"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | we don't have an SOP or defined source
|| [[#t15:46:31|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: I think that anaconda and the stuff it does is one of the hard requirements
|| [[#t15:46:36|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:44"
| colspan="2" | * randomuser` nods
|| [[#t15:46:44|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:45"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | spstarr
| style="color: #9b519b" | yeah 2GB needed w/ debug on right now
|| [[#t15:46:45|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | IIRC, yum and selinux during install are the biggest memory hogs
|| [[#t15:46:49|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:17"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | Is this something you guys are formally tracking?
|| [[#t15:47:17|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: no, not formally
|| [[#t15:47:27|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | it'd be nice to do that, but it's not something that we've really sat down and done
|| [[#t15:48:30|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:39"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | all the installs I did worked in 1024 MB
|| [[#t15:48:39|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:53"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | tflink, I was thinking of asking for input on devel@ - perhaps to define a few basic roles to state requirements for
|| [[#t15:48:53|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | keeping track of memory required for certain install types vs post-install
|| [[#t15:48:55|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | gnome complained in VB when I tried system settings at 1024 memory
|| [[#t15:49:21|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:24"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | appliance vs desktop vs ?
|| [[#t15:49:24|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:28"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | i guess at this point, I'd like your input on how to best continue the conversation
|| [[#t15:50:28|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | satellit: using a debug kernel?
|| [[#t15:51:21|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:01"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | netinstall of x86_64 desktop
|| [[#t15:52:01|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:15"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | not sure of kernel...
|| [[#t15:52:15|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: not sure to be honest - I'm not aware of any good ways to measure requirements reliably right now and that doesn't even get into variability between install media and install types
|| [[#t15:52:19|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:41"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | satellit
| style="color: #4b904b" | I have done many VB installs testing over weekend : )
|| [[#t15:52:41|15:52]]
|- id="t15:54:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | randomuser`: it might be best to get input from test@ and/or devel@ - we're missing quite a few people today who would have good input on the question
|| [[#t15:54:13|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:47"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | that sounds like a good plan, tflink
|| [[#t15:54:47|15:54]]
|- id="t15:55:45"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | I'll compose something for test@ as well as devel@ - as much input as possible would be nice at this stage
|| [[#t15:55:45|15:55]]
|- id="t15:56:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | we're almost at the 1 hour mark - is there anything else to cover today?
|| [[#t15:56:33|15:56]]
|- id="t15:57:02"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | randomuser`
| style="color: #97974f" | not from me, thanks for the time
|| [[#t15:57:02|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:41"
| colspan="2" | * tflink sets fuse for 3 minutes
|| [[#t15:57:41|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:45"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | BobLfoot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | not unless there's questions about the TC3 tests
|| [[#t15:57:45|15:57]]
|- id="t15:58:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | BobLfoot: not at the moment, no
|| [[#t15:58:13|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | not that I'm aware of, anyways
|| [[#t15:58:31|15:58]]
|- id="t16:02:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Thanks for coming, everyone!
|| [[#t16:02:15|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | Time for moar testing!!!
|| [[#t16:02:28|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tflink
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:02:33|16:02]]
|}
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Attendees

  • tflink (69)
  • jreznik (17)
  • randomuser` (16)
  • Martix (15)
  • BobLfoot (14)
  • satellit (10)
  • nirik (5)
  • zodbot (4)
  • spstarr (1)
  • satellit_e (1)
  • adamw (0)

Agenda

  • Previous meeting follow-up
  • Fedora 19 Alpha status
  • Test Days
  • Open floor

Previous meeting follow-up

  • adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues - this was done, TC2 was requested and composed
  • kparal to talk to martix and ensure Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event - the Test Day went ahead as scheduled

Fedora 19 Alpha status

  • Alpha freeze would begin the following day (2013-04-02)
  • Some concerns were raised about the thicket of firstboot replacements, including Bugzilla: #929289

Test Days

Open floor

  • Updated blocker tracking app for F19 was not yet ready, but a staging instance was available
  • satellit reported that the SoaS spin was still not working

Action items

N/A

IRC Log

tflink #startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting 15:01
zodbot Meeting started Mon Apr 1 15:01:49 2013 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01
tflink #meetingname fedora-qa-meeting 15:01
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting' 15:01
tflink #topic Roll Cal 15:02
tflink #chair adamw 15:02
zodbot Current chairs: adamw tflink 15:02
* jreznik is still around, nice meeting holidays 15:02
* randomuser is lurking - has a question if the opportunity presents itself 15:02
jreznik fyi - today is public holiday in the Czech Rep so don't expect more guys 15:03
tflink jreznik: interesting that the US holiday was friday and everyone else seems to be today 15:03
* nirik is lurking around too, ping if I can help with anything. 15:03
* satellit listening 15:03
* tflink is scrambling to put stuff together for the meeting - didn't realize he was leading today until just a little while ago 15:05
tflink OK, lets get started and we'll see how well this goes missing so many people 15:06
tflink #topic Previous Meeting Followup 15:06
tflink #info adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues 15:06
tflink #info TC2 was requested last week 15:07
tflink #info kparal to talk to martix and ensure Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event 15:07
* Martix is here 15:07
tflink Martix: did everything get done for the system certificates test day last week? 15:08
Martix is it mtg today? I'm asking because of Easter 15:08
tflink or was it postponed? 15:08
tflink Martix: yeah, we're attempting the meeting despite the holiday 15:08
Martix tflink: it was running, kparal might have more details 15:08
Martix this Tuesday is OpenStack and Thursday is Printing Test Day 15:10
Martix OpenStack seems to be almost ready 15:10
tflink #info System Certificates test day was scheduled, seems to have happened 15:11
Martix about Printing, I'd like to add some Desktop related test cases, but I'm short on time this week 15:11
Martix feel free to help with <FIXME> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing 15:11
tflink Martix: tuesday as in tomorrow? 15:11
Martix tflink: yep 15:12
tflink Martix: do 15:12
tflink Martix: do you know who's handling the announcements? 15:12
Martix tflink: I'm not running these test days, the guys listed in request tickets should announce them 15:13
* tflink changes agenda order up since we're talking about test days now 15:14
tflink #topic Test Days 15:14
Martix :-) 15:14
tflink #info OpenStack test day is scheduled for Tuesday (tomorrow) 15:15
tflink #info the test day seems mostly ready, announcements have not yet been sent out 15:15
tflink #info Printing test day is scheduled for Thursday 15:16
tflink #info printing test day is mostly ready but help with the FIXMEs would be much appreciated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing 15:16
tflink Martix: did I miss anything or do you have anything to add? 15:17
Martix no, its all 15:17
tflink Martix: ok, thanks for keeping on top of all that and showing up for a meeting on a holiday 15:17
tflink is there anything else related to Test Days we need to cover before moving on to F19 Alpha status? 15:18
Martix no problem, I was just hanging around 15:18
Martix no 15:18
tflink #topic Fedora 19 Alpha Status 15:19
jreznik so the alpha change deadline is tomorrow - Apr 02 15:20
tflink freeze starts tomorrow, doesn't it? of 15:21
tflink or do I still have my schedule mixed up? 15:21
nirik yes, it does. 15:21
nirik branched will start using bodhi, etc. 15:22
jreznik yep, tmrw and sorry for the confusion in the schedule... 15:22
* jreznik has to split that one wiki page to two - branching and branch freeze, still on my TODO list :( 15:22
tflink #info Fedora 19 Alpha Freeze starts tomorrow 15:22
* jreznik would like to send reminder today 15:23
tflink the blocker list doesn't look all that promising to be heading into freeze 15:23
jreznik (if nobody sent it - as the new zimbra sucks) 15:23
* nirik hasn't sent anything. Happy to help draft or review something. 15:23
jreznik tflink: but I don't see there any strong blocker to enter freeze as for F18 15:24
Martix jreznik: is this new Zimbra April's Fools joke? 15:25
jreznik Martix: it definitely is and does not work in FF for me (the ajax version) 15:25
tflink jreznik: yeah, I'm just not geting "warm fuzzzies" about only 2 weeks before release 15:25
BobLfoot gnome-initial-start ; initial-start ; firstboot is a mess IMHO 15:26
jreznik so week and half for fixes 15:26
Martix jreznik: unable to reproduce it, for me it works in F19.0.2 15:26
tflink jreznik: at least my local mail client is working today - I couldn't log in last night 15:26
tflink BobLfoot: yeah, that is one of the bigger things which comes to mind 15:26
satellit see #fedora-qa for 2 bugs 15:26
jreznik nirik: the complaint I got usually is - the exact time of the freeze, what time would suit the best for it? 15:27
nirik jreznik: I don't know... lets ask dgilmore, since he will be doing the work I expect. 15:27
BobLfoot small stuff but F19-tc3 won't start at all in centos 6 qemu-kvm ATM for me 15:27
jreznik tflink: I'll try to reach marsik tmrw to get more clarification and status of firstboot mess 15:28
tflink jreznik: sounds good, thanks 15:28
BobLfoot for my edification what is to work when concerning gnome-initial-start, initial-start and firstboot 15:29
tflink #info one area of concern is the initial setup utilities (firstboot, initial-setup, gnome-initial-start) 15:29
jreznik tflink: I already talked to him but it's hard to get more details as it seems it wasn't as coordinated as we hoped it will be 15:30
tflink BobLfoot: IIRC, firstboot should be dead now - gnome specific startup for gnome spin, initial-setup for everything else 15:30
satellit OEM does not work 15:31
BobLfoot thx tflink that was what I thought, but was hearing conflicting opinions 15:31
jreznik tflink: and even no initial-setup at all if you do it in anaconda 15:32
BobLfoot jreznik: no initial setup at all if you don't do it in anaconda 15:32
tflink jreznik: ah, I didn't know about that part 15:33
jreznik that was the idea and in tc3 I see user creation in anaconda 15:33
* tflink hasn't been testing as much as he would like - working on other things as of late 15:33
jreznik and that's everything what's needed 15:33
satellit_e https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=929289#c5 15:33
tflink it sounds like there's no shortage of stuff to do, as usual :) 15:35
BobLfoot I filed a few bugs once bz came up -- what can I say :) 15:36
tflink I see a lot of results from BobLfoot and robatino on TC3 from over the weekend :) 15:37
tflink if there's nothing more, it would be time for ... 15:38
tflink #topic Open Floor 15:38
randomuser ! 15:38
BobLfoot text-mode installer had a couple minor bugs 15:38
satellit soas spin still is not working after boot....no bug filed yet 15:38
tflink It looks like the new blocker tracking app isn't going to make it to production before freeze but you can test the staging instance 15:38
tflink #link https://qa.stg.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ 15:39
jreznik tflink: that's what I wanted to ask - to add it to the freeze reminder... so I skip it for now 15:39
tflink jreznik: assuming you're talking about the tracker ... there has been a lot of learning on my end about how to get stuff ready for infra - this has taken about 10x longer than I was expecting 15:40
tflink "oh yeah, that isn't going to work in production infra ... <more coding/packaging tasks> rinse, repeat ... 15:41
tflink BobLfoot: I assume that bugs were filed? 15:41
BobLfoot yes -- I think for most all 15:42
tflink satellit: do you know why it isn't working? 15:42
tflink randomuser: go ahead if you had something 15:42
BobLfoot I didn't file on KDE no access to FAS cause I'd like 2nd validation 15:43
satellit tflink no I do not. It boots asks for name and color then goes tof3 home screen and freezes maybe jabber or networking fail 15:43
randomuser thanks, tflink 15:43
BobLfoot Or on the iscsi, isdn and rngd services not starting as thats a final requirement not an alpha 15:44
randomuser I'm reexamining how the docs projects presents system requirements for Fedora, and was hoping for from insight from the QA folks 15:44
BobLfoot yes to the rest tflink 15:44
tflink randomuser: as in how much memory, cpu etc? 15:44
randomuser exactly 15:44
tflink BobLfoot: yeah, those sounds not very alpha but good to know early 15:45
satellit seems to require 2048 memory in VirtualBox for desktop anaconda 15:45
randomuser the easy way is to just publish what's needed to do a default gnome install, but as the discussion develops, I'm starting to think we can do better 15:45
BobLfoot the KDS-FAS would be alpha 15:45
tflink randomuser: it's hard to know this early in the release - I've heard a few reports of memory/cpu hogging stuff but this is pre-alpha 15:45
randomuser really, I'm not sure of where to get the figures, at all 15:45
randomuser we don't have an SOP or defined source 15:46
tflink randomuser: I think that anaconda and the stuff it does is one of the hard requirements 15:46
* randomuser nods 15:46
spstarr yeah 2GB needed w/ debug on right now 15:46
tflink IIRC, yum and selinux during install are the biggest memory hogs 15:46
randomuser Is this something you guys are formally tracking? 15:47
tflink randomuser: no, not formally 15:47
tflink it'd be nice to do that, but it's not something that we've really sat down and done 15:48
BobLfoot all the installs I did worked in 1024 MB 15:48
randomuser tflink, I was thinking of asking for input on devel@ - perhaps to define a few basic roles to state requirements for 15:48
tflink keeping track of memory required for certain install types vs post-install 15:48
satellit gnome complained in VB when I tried system settings at 1024 memory 15:49
randomuser appliance vs desktop vs ? 15:49
randomuser i guess at this point, I'd like your input on how to best continue the conversation 15:50
tflink satellit: using a debug kernel? 15:51
satellit netinstall of x86_64 desktop 15:52
satellit not sure of kernel... 15:52
tflink randomuser: not sure to be honest - I'm not aware of any good ways to measure requirements reliably right now and that doesn't even get into variability between install media and install types 15:52
satellit I have done many VB installs testing over weekend : ) 15:52
tflink randomuser: it might be best to get input from test@ and/or devel@ - we're missing quite a few people today who would have good input on the question 15:54
randomuser that sounds like a good plan, tflink 15:54
randomuser I'll compose something for test@ as well as devel@ - as much input as possible would be nice at this stage 15:55
tflink we're almost at the 1 hour mark - is there anything else to cover today? 15:56
randomuser` not from me, thanks for the time 15:57
* tflink sets fuse for 3 minutes 15:57
BobLfoot not unless there's questions about the TC3 tests 15:57
tflink BobLfoot: not at the moment, no 15:58
tflink not that I'm aware of, anyways 15:58
tflink Thanks for coming, everyone! 16:02
tflink Time for moar testing!!! 16:02
tflink #endmeeting 16:02

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