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= Attendees =
= Attendees =
* adamw (73)
* jreznik (17)
* brunowolff (7)
* jskladan (6)
* pjones (6)
* randomuser` (5)
* Viking-Ice (4)
* jwb (4)
* mjg59 (3)
* zodbot (3)
* tflink (2)
* sn_op (2)
* mkrizek (1)
* satellit (1)
* satellit_e (1)
* pschindl (1)


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
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== Fedora 19 Alpha status ==
== Fedora 19 Alpha status ==
* TC6 (later than RC2) is out and being tested: any new issues?
* TC6 was out and testing so far looked reasonably positive, [[rhbug:947142|#947142]] was outstanding blocker
* [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=947142 #947142] is last accepted blocker, status?
* randomuser was planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes
* mjg59 was still refining the [[rhbug:947142|#947142]] fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we could pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild


== Test Days ==
== Test Days ==
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n)]] review
* We were unsure whether [[Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n)]] happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled or re-organized
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management]] planning
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management]] looked well set up, we just needed to send out announcements
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-18|FreeIPA test day]] planning
* [[Test_Day:2013-04-18|FreeIPA test day]] page was mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors


== Open floor ==
== Open floor ==
N/A


== Action items ==
== Action items ==
* adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6
* jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day


== IRC Log ==
== IRC Log ==
{|
|- id="t15:00:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:44"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Apr 15 15:00:44 2013 UTC.  The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:44"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:46|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:46|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll call
|| [[#t15:00:50|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | morning folks, who's a roll?
|| [[#t15:00:52|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:56"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is here
|| [[#t15:00:56|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:14"
| colspan="2" | * mkrizek is here
|| [[#t15:01:14|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:16"
| colspan="2" | * randomuser` is lurking around, why not
|| [[#t15:01:16|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:26"
| colspan="2" | * satellit listening
|| [[#t15:01:26|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:34"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan lurks
|| [[#t15:01:34|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:36"
| colspan="2" | * brunowolff is here
|| [[#t15:01:36|15:01]]
|- id="t15:03:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | but are you rolls?!
|| [[#t15:03:11|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | rofl?
|| [[#t15:03:41|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:02"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik is roll
|| [[#t15:04:02|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ahem
|| [[#t15:05:28|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | morning everyone
|| [[#t15:05:32|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic fedora 19 alpha status
|| [[#t15:05:38|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | soo, we're not looking too bad
|| [[#t15:06:04|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | TC6 testing looks pretty solid (or am I missing anything)? and we just have the remaining EFI bug to zap, really
|| [[#t15:06:38|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | there's a few more proposed blockers we'll deal with at the review meeting right after this meeting
|| [[#t15:07:01|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:15"
| colspan="2" | * satellit_e adamw: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=949761#c22  EFI install worked on MacBookPro i7 with litd USB
|| [[#t15:07:15|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone have any issues/concerns for alpha?
|| [[#t15:07:19|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | satellit: thanks
|| [[#t15:07:21|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Is there a warning about using very old graphics cards and gnome?
|| [[#t15:08:33|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | not really
|| [[#t15:09:02|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | That doesn't look like it is going to work for alpha and those people should be steered to something like XFCE.
|| [[#t15:09:07|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | how do you mean, "isn't going to work"?
|| [[#t15:09:18|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | llvmpipe is working fine so far as I know. do you mean blacklisted cards?
|| [[#t15:09:26|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:41"
! style="background-color: #488888" | randomuser`
| style="color: #488888" | brunowolff, I'm intending to make such a statement in the the release notes and/or install guide, fwiw
|| [[#t15:09:41|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:47"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice lurks
|| [[#t15:09:47|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | llvmpipe doesn't work on at least one of my old machines.
|| [[#t15:09:54|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | The second old machine also doesn't get into gnome, but that might be due to something other than llvmpipe.
|| [[#t15:10:28|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:33"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | for that one outstanding bug we need some evidence that clearing efivars could help as looking on LKML, fix is still under review... mjg59 should know more, I hope, pls
|| [[#t15:10:33|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:53"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4b904b" | is the size of the efi partition being checked along with proper configuration and removal of files on kernel updates?
|| [[#t15:10:53|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4b904b" | and the correct mount path or is just people checking installing with uefi and if they can boot ?
|| [[#t15:11:46|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Now my machines are really old and don't have sse2 instructions, which may only be a small subset of machines with old graphics cards.
|| [[#t15:11:49|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: tc6 already has the fix that cleans out pstore - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950709
|| [[#t15:12:09|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:12"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: yes, I know - but it could be still tricky - as it could require up to two reboots...
|| [[#t15:13:12|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: oh, right, the sse2 bug.
|| [[#t15:13:14|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so you're more talking 'old CPU and blacklisted gfx card'.
|| [[#t15:13:28|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:02"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Viking-Ice: the idea is - abrt will report dumped crashes and reports them + anaconda will clean it up at install time
|| [[#t15:14:02|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Yes.
|| [[#t15:14:32|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | now the question is why some people see empty pstore and dumps in efivars I'd say reading the latest comments in the bug
|| [[#t15:14:36|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: this isn't about the EFI system partition where kernels live
|| [[#t15:14:45|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:20"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4b904b" | ok did not know to what extend we where testing efi
|| [[#t15:15:20|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: it's about some space in the NVRAM, which the OS can actually write stuff to
|| [[#t15:15:51|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:18"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | and combination of several conditions...
|| [[#t15:16:18|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: well, because of 947142. which is where we came in.
|| [[#t15:16:27|15:16]]
|- id="t15:18:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info TC6 is out and testing so far looks reasonably positive, we are mostly waiting on a fix for 947142 now
|| [[#t15:18:42|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info randomuser is planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes
|| [[#t15:19:07|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:40"
! style="background-color: #488888" | randomuser`
| style="color: #488888" | ah
|| [[#t15:19:40|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:57"
! style="background-color: #488888" | randomuser`
| style="color: #488888" | help me out on the blacklisted cards bit
|| [[#t15:19:57|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | that's the question - if we really need a fix for 947142 or not - if it really makes that difference for most of the systems, there are reports just wiping out dumps from efi are enough :)
|| [[#t15:20:00|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:24"
! style="background-color: #488888" | randomuser`
| style="color: #488888" | adamw, i was thinking more of a generic 'if you have a less powerful machine, use a lighter DE'
|| [[#t15:20:24|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jreznik: oh, i see. good question, i guess we can send out a call for more uefi testing again
|| [[#t15:20:58|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #action adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6
|| [[#t15:21:07|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else for alpha? last call for alpha.
|| [[#t15:21:57|15:21]]
|- id="t15:23:06"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pjones
| style="color: #4d4d93" | yes, we really need a fix for 947142.
|| [[#t15:23:06|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:52"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pjones
| style="color: #4d4d93" | If for no other reason than it basically means on many machines you can't re-test more than once.
|| [[#t15:23:52|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:18"
| colspan="2" | * pschindl is here (I stuck in the treffic jam)
|| [[#t15:24:18|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | pjones: even with the fix that wipes efivars at install time?
|| [[#t15:24:32|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:56"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pjones
| style="color: #4d4d93" | that may sometimes help, but it's not a 100% sort of thing
|| [[#t15:24:56|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:25"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | sn_op
| style="color: #97974f" | secure boot is great for people with alzeimers
|| [[#t15:25:25|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:29"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | it's a fix that should make the reported size more "correct" as far as I understand it so you can end with the same problem
|| [[#t15:25:29|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:38"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | sn_op
| style="color: #97974f" | you cant get enough of peoples faces once they realixe they forgot the encription password
|| [[#t15:26:38|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ...okay.
|| [[#t15:27:22|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | pjones: alright, thanks. we'll keep waiting for the fix then
|| [[#t15:27:29|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:43"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: I can't pretend I understand the problem, but still I'd go with that - please retest and to collect results as see my comment above...
|| [[#t15:28:43|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | sure.
|| [[#t15:28:51|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | pjones: do you have any news on the status of the fix, btw? or better apply to mjg59?
|| [[#t15:29:43|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:57"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I think it's this one https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/9/828
|| [[#t15:29:57|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:04"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pjones
| style="color: #4d4d93" | you'll have to ask the kernel team about the fedora kernels, but he has posted something
|| [[#t15:30:04|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:35"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jwb
| style="color: #9b519b" | jreznik, that's stale.
|| [[#t15:30:35|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so aiui as soon as the patch is acceptable to upstream, we can pull it into our kernel and rebuild, right jwb?
|| [[#t15:31:37|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:43"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pjones
| style="color: #4d4d93" | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/7458 was the thing he was saying worked earlier
|| [[#t15:31:43|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:53"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pjones
| style="color: #4d4d93" | but, again, jwb's answer trumps mine ;)
|| [[#t15:31:53|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:57"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jwb
| style="color: #9b519b" | adamw, basically, yes
|| [[#t15:31:57|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay.
|| [[#t15:32:01|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | pjones: thanks much
|| [[#t15:32:06|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:10"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jwb
| style="color: #9b519b" | afaik, we won't even have to carry it long
|| [[#t15:32:10|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info mjg59 is still refining the 947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we can pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild
|| [[#t15:32:39|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jwb: would it be possible to carry it only for now even it's not completely accepted by upstream but it will turn out to help us now?
|| [[#t15:33:15|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:19"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jwb
| style="color: #9b519b" | no
|| [[#t15:33:19|15:33]]
|- id="t15:35:07"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ok
|| [[#t15:35:07|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty, moving on
|| [[#t15:35:30|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Test Days
|| [[#t15:35:33|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it doesn't look like much happened for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_%28l10n%29 . I missed that one, I was probably panicking about alpha.
|| [[#t15:36:25|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone have any info there?
|| [[#t15:36:31|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | (crickets)
|| [[#t15:37:58|15:37]]
|- id="t15:39:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so I guess that's a "no" :)
|| [[#t15:39:22|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone want an action item to follow up on it?
|| [[#t15:39:28|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:13"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I can do it
|| [[#t15:40:13|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info we're unsure whether Translations (l10n) test day happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled / re-organized
|| [[#t15:40:42|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day
|| [[#t15:40:50|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks jaro
|| [[#t15:40:52|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | two other test days are scheduled this week - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-18 (freeipa)
|| [[#t15:41:15|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | I guess I'd better try and check up on those
|| [[#t15:41:23|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | and send out some publicity etc
|| [[#t15:41:32|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:10"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | jskladan
| style="color: #539e9e" | adamw: i know that pm testday will happen :) IMHO we'll have the usual 'public' testday during openhouse
|| [[#t15:42:10|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | what's this shiny new feedback tool?
|| [[#t15:42:38|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info power management test day looks well set up, we just need to send out announcements
|| [[#t15:42:49|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info freeipa page is mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors
|| [[#t15:43:21|15:43]]
|- id="t15:45:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i guess that's all for test days
|| [[#t15:45:10|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else?
|| [[#t15:45:15|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:40"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: maybe restart discussion about TCs after RCs as we hit it now...
|| [[#t15:45:40|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i'm not sure we have time for that talkfest before blocker review
|| [[#t15:45:57|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | but if someone wants to bring it up in open floor, sure
|| [[#t15:46:14|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | at least to poke it on ml...
|| [[#t15:46:15|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i meant 'anything else about test days', though, while we're still on the test day topic.
|| [[#t15:46:28|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jreznik
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ok, sorry
|| [[#t15:46:36|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | sounds like that's a negatory
|| [[#t15:47:16|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic open floor
|| [[#t15:47:18|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anything for open floor? anyone keen for a talkfest? :)
|| [[#t15:47:27|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:59"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik would like to avoid talkfest :) maybe mailing list is now better option
|| [[#t15:47:59|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | sure
|| [[#t15:48:52|15:48]]
|- id="t15:50:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | someone tell us a jokje
|| [[#t15:50:07|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | also a joke
|| [[#t15:50:09|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:17"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | jskladan
| style="color: #539e9e" | You know that one about canadian lumberjack? ;)
|| [[#t15:51:17|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#t15:51:39|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | welp, if that's all we got, everyone go get a beefy miracle and join us again in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour for some AWESOME BLOCKER REVIEW FUN
|| [[#t15:52:12|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:41"
| colspan="2" | * adamw sets quantum fuse
|| [[#t15:52:41|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | jskladan
| style="color: #539e9e" | Canadian lumberjack's favourite sushi? The long roll...
|| [[#t15:53:04|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:23"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | jskladan
| style="color: #539e9e" | Damg autocorrect *log roll
|| [[#t15:53:23|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ba-dum tish
|| [[#t15:53:29|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan will be here all week or until the customers throw him out, tip your server!
|| [[#t15:53:45|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:06"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan quits in shame!
|| [[#t15:54:06|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:12"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mjg59
| style="color: #a25555" | adamw: Patches appear to look good to upstream now
|| [[#t15:54:12|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | mjg59: yay!
|| [[#t15:54:17|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:20"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mjg59
| style="color: #a25555" | Just posted them for further review
|| [[#t15:54:20|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so we can maybe get a kernel today?
|| [[#t15:54:22|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:36"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | mjg59
| style="color: #a25555" | Maybe!
|| [[#t15:54:36|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yay
|| [[#t15:54:55|15:54]]
|- id="t15:55:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | and on that positive note...thanks for coming, all
|| [[#t15:55:20|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:55:22|15:55]]
|}
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Attendees

  • adamw (73)
  • jreznik (17)
  • brunowolff (7)
  • jskladan (6)
  • pjones (6)
  • randomuser` (5)
  • Viking-Ice (4)
  • jwb (4)
  • mjg59 (3)
  • zodbot (3)
  • tflink (2)
  • sn_op (2)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • satellit (1)
  • satellit_e (1)
  • pschindl (1)

Agenda

  • Fedora 19 Alpha status
  • Test Days
  • Open floor

Fedora 19 Alpha status

  • TC6 was out and testing so far looked reasonably positive, #947142 was outstanding blocker
  • randomuser was planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes
  • mjg59 was still refining the #947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we could pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild

Test Days

Open floor

N/A

Action items

  • adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6
  • jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Apr 15 15:00:44 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
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adamw #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
adamw #topic Roll call 15:00
adamw morning folks, who's a roll? 15:00
* tflink is here 15:00
* mkrizek is here 15:01
* randomuser is lurking around, why not 15:01
* satellit listening 15:01
* jskladan lurks 15:01
* brunowolff is here 15:01
adamw but are you rolls?! 15:03
tflink rofl? 15:03
* jreznik is roll 15:04
adamw ahem 15:05
adamw morning everyone 15:05
adamw #topic fedora 19 alpha status 15:05
adamw soo, we're not looking too bad 15:06
adamw TC6 testing looks pretty solid (or am I missing anything)? and we just have the remaining EFI bug to zap, really 15:06
adamw there's a few more proposed blockers we'll deal with at the review meeting right after this meeting 15:07
* satellit_e adamw: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=949761#c22 EFI install worked on MacBookPro i7 with litd USB 15:07
adamw anyone have any issues/concerns for alpha? 15:07
adamw satellit: thanks 15:07
brunowolff Is there a warning about using very old graphics cards and gnome? 15:08
adamw not really 15:09
brunowolff That doesn't look like it is going to work for alpha and those people should be steered to something like XFCE. 15:09
adamw how do you mean, "isn't going to work"? 15:09
adamw llvmpipe is working fine so far as I know. do you mean blacklisted cards? 15:09
randomuser brunowolff, I'm intending to make such a statement in the the release notes and/or install guide, fwiw 15:09
* Viking-Ice lurks 15:09
brunowolff llvmpipe doesn't work on at least one of my old machines. 15:09
brunowolff The second old machine also doesn't get into gnome, but that might be due to something other than llvmpipe. 15:10
jreznik for that one outstanding bug we need some evidence that clearing efivars could help as looking on LKML, fix is still under review... mjg59 should know more, I hope, pls 15:10
Viking-Ice is the size of the efi partition being checked along with proper configuration and removal of files on kernel updates? 15:10
Viking-Ice and the correct mount path or is just people checking installing with uefi and if they can boot ? 15:11
brunowolff Now my machines are really old and don't have sse2 instructions, which may only be a small subset of machines with old graphics cards. 15:11
adamw jreznik: tc6 already has the fix that cleans out pstore - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950709 15:12
jreznik adamw: yes, I know - but it could be still tricky - as it could require up to two reboots... 15:13
adamw brunowolff: oh, right, the sse2 bug. 15:13
adamw so you're more talking 'old CPU and blacklisted gfx card'. 15:13
jreznik Viking-Ice: the idea is - abrt will report dumped crashes and reports them + anaconda will clean it up at install time 15:14
brunowolff Yes. 15:14
jreznik now the question is why some people see empty pstore and dumps in efivars I'd say reading the latest comments in the bug 15:14
adamw Viking-Ice: this isn't about the EFI system partition where kernels live 15:14
Viking-Ice ok did not know to what extend we where testing efi 15:15
adamw Viking-Ice: it's about some space in the NVRAM, which the OS can actually write stuff to 15:15
jreznik and combination of several conditions... 15:16
adamw jreznik: well, because of 947142. which is where we came in. 15:16
adamw #info TC6 is out and testing so far looks reasonably positive, we are mostly waiting on a fix for 947142 now 15:18
adamw #info randomuser is planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes 15:19
randomuser ah 15:19
randomuser help me out on the blacklisted cards bit 15:19
jreznik that's the question - if we really need a fix for 947142 or not - if it really makes that difference for most of the systems, there are reports just wiping out dumps from efi are enough :) 15:20
randomuser` adamw, i was thinking more of a generic 'if you have a less powerful machine, use a lighter DE' 15:20
adamw jreznik: oh, i see. good question, i guess we can send out a call for more uefi testing again 15:20
adamw #action adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6 15:21
adamw anything else for alpha? last call for alpha. 15:21
pjones yes, we really need a fix for 947142. 15:23
pjones If for no other reason than it basically means on many machines you can't re-test more than once. 15:23
* pschindl is here (I stuck in the treffic jam) 15:24
adamw pjones: even with the fix that wipes efivars at install time? 15:24
pjones that may sometimes help, but it's not a 100% sort of thing 15:24
sn_op secure boot is great for people with alzeimers 15:25
jreznik it's a fix that should make the reported size more "correct" as far as I understand it so you can end with the same problem 15:25
sn_op you cant get enough of peoples faces once they realixe they forgot the encription password 15:26
adamw ...okay. 15:27
adamw pjones: alright, thanks. we'll keep waiting for the fix then 15:27
jreznik adamw: I can't pretend I understand the problem, but still I'd go with that - please retest and to collect results as see my comment above... 15:28
adamw sure. 15:28
adamw pjones: do you have any news on the status of the fix, btw? or better apply to mjg59? 15:29
jreznik I think it's this one https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/9/828 15:29
pjones you'll have to ask the kernel team about the fedora kernels, but he has posted something 15:30
jwb jreznik, that's stale. 15:30
adamw so aiui as soon as the patch is acceptable to upstream, we can pull it into our kernel and rebuild, right jwb? 15:31
pjones http://paste.fedoraproject.org/7458 was the thing he was saying worked earlier 15:31
pjones but, again, jwb's answer trumps mine ;) 15:31
jwb adamw, basically, yes 15:31
adamw okay. 15:32
adamw pjones: thanks much 15:32
jwb afaik, we won't even have to carry it long 15:32
adamw #info mjg59 is still refining the 947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we can pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild 15:32
jreznik jwb: would it be possible to carry it only for now even it's not completely accepted by upstream but it will turn out to help us now? 15:33
jwb no 15:33
jreznik ok 15:35
adamw alrighty, moving on 15:35
adamw #topic Test Days 15:35
adamw it doesn't look like much happened for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_%28l10n%29 . I missed that one, I was probably panicking about alpha. 15:36
adamw anyone have any info there? 15:36
adamw (crickets) 15:37
adamw so I guess that's a "no" :) 15:39
adamw anyone want an action item to follow up on it? 15:39
jreznik I can do it 15:40
adamw #info we're unsure whether Translations (l10n) test day happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled / re-organized 15:40
adamw #action jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day 15:40
adamw thanks jaro 15:40
adamw two other test days are scheduled this week - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-18 (freeipa) 15:41
adamw I guess I'd better try and check up on those 15:41
adamw and send out some publicity etc 15:41
jskladan adamw: i know that pm testday will happen :) IMHO we'll have the usual 'public' testday during openhouse 15:42
adamw what's this shiny new feedback tool? 15:42
adamw #info power management test day looks well set up, we just need to send out announcements 15:42
adamw #info freeipa page is mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors 15:43
adamw i guess that's all for test days 15:45
adamw anything else? 15:45
jreznik adamw: maybe restart discussion about TCs after RCs as we hit it now... 15:45
adamw i'm not sure we have time for that talkfest before blocker review 15:45
adamw but if someone wants to bring it up in open floor, sure 15:46
jreznik at least to poke it on ml... 15:46
adamw i meant 'anything else about test days', though, while we're still on the test day topic. 15:46
jreznik ok, sorry 15:46
adamw sounds like that's a negatory 15:47
adamw #topic open floor 15:47
adamw anything for open floor? anyone keen for a talkfest? :) 15:47
* jreznik would like to avoid talkfest :) maybe mailing list is now better option 15:47
adamw sure 15:48
adamw someone tell us a jokje 15:50
adamw also a joke 15:50
jskladan You know that one about canadian lumberjack? ;) 15:51
adamw heh 15:51
adamw welp, if that's all we got, everyone go get a beefy miracle and join us again in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour for some AWESOME BLOCKER REVIEW FUN 15:52
* adamw sets quantum fuse 15:52
jskladan Canadian lumberjack's favourite sushi? The long roll... 15:53
jskladan Damg autocorrect *log roll 15:53
adamw ba-dum tish 15:53
adamw jskladan will be here all week or until the customers throw him out, tip your server! 15:53
* jskladan quits in shame! 15:54
mjg59 adamw: Patches appear to look good to upstream now 15:54
adamw mjg59: yay! 15:54
mjg59 Just posted them for further review 15:54
adamw so we can maybe get a kernel today? 15:54
mjg59 Maybe! 15:54
adamw yay 15:54
adamw and on that positive note...thanks for coming, all 15:55
adamw #endmeeting 15:55

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