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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-07-23

F8 Test1 Freeze coming up

  • builds from devel/ continue to get auto-tagged with 'dist-f8'. To get them into the test release they are manually tagged with 'f8-test1'. 'dist-rawhide' is pointed at 'f8-test1' during the freeze. Post-freeze 'dist-rawhide' is redirected to 'dist-f8' and life continues.
  • Freeze starts tomorrow (2007-07-24)
  • The typical workings that releng does during a freeze is thus:

1. tag build(s) for freeze tag (f8-test1) 1. sign build(s) 1. mash freeze tag 1. pungi / livecd-tools runs 1. test 1. wash, rinse, repeat

  • status of things with KDE4
  • on hold, looks like kde4 release schedule will be delayed, at least month, so we'll likely miss f8
  • How many of the F8 features are actually read to test in test1?
  • poelcat will:

1. create list of features that are close to 100% completion 1. ping feature owners to see if there are special testing needs for F8Test1

  • wwoods created a f8test1 tracker bug--alias is "F8Test1"
  • bugs for F8 Test1 will have a separate entry in bugzilla
  • f13 will get it created

Next status meeting

  • Thursday (2007-07-26) after FESCo meeting ~ 2 PM to 3 PM EDT

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<tr id="t12:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren here</td><td><a href="#t12:57" class="time">12:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: RELENG-Meeting - roll call</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: notting: jeremy: rdieter: wwoods: warren: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb will not be making it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot is most likely busy with moving trucks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">no, i'm here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i won't make FESCo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">1/2 here (@home w/kids, making lunch atm)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wait.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 reads email and gets a clue.</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: RELENG-Meeting - F8Test1 - JesseKeating</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, Test1 is right around the corner, freeze is tomorrow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">The typical workings that releng does during a freeze is thus:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">1) panic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tag build(s) for freeze tag (f8-test1)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sign build(s)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mash freeze tag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">pungi / livecd-tools runs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wash, rinse, repeat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">where's the part about cursing at how broken the tree is?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">The pungi and livecd-tools stage is most likely going to happen on workstations again, we haven't got to the point where we can do them all in the colo, but I'll try to get the content somewhere where rsync can just push up the differences for having public stuff out there sooner.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: that happens behind the scenes (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we doing the same "spins" as F7 itself?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's my plan, I haven't heard anything differently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and the anaconda work isn't quite done yet for being able to easily switch to using say the Everything/ repo for install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods afk 1min</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so a Fedora spin of the arches, and Everything repos of the arches</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a Fedora and KDE LiveCD spin for i386/x86_64</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(not sure the status of the ppc patches for livecd-creator; jeremy?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">rdieter: where are things with kde4?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, the ppc patches aren't around</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: haven't gotten to them due to other things.  might try to take a look this afternoon while trying to get the i386 cd to fit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, i'm shooting for test2 for a ppc live cd</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">of some kind</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">or even better, I'll wait and let jwb look at it for test2 :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jeremy: on hold, looks like kde4 release schedule will be delayed, at least month, so we'll likely miss f8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I thought I saw dwmw2_gone put up some code somewhere, but yeah, good to know for this release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: boo.  Oh well.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, he did.  jeremy and i talked about it a bit ago.  needs rethinking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 phears a post-f8 update to kde4</td><td><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">rdieter, so is kde4 in rawhide atm?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">what is our timetable for the presto part?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">or the alpha stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: silver lining, it would've been hell to make it work anyway...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jwb: nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">rdieter: k.  still probably worth someone seeing how we are for fitting on the kde live image then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">rdieter, and won't be now until after f8 is frozen?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jwb: looks that way</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: depends on buildsystem work, which right now the buildsystem work is going into garbage collection.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">rdieter: i'm assuming no kde4 update for f8?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting: :)  no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*whew*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well, *whew* and *ew*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">at most, if we can come up with some parallel-install scheme that's sane.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">rdieter: 'tis too bad.  but at least we know early enough for it to not be too bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 gets parse error</td><td><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i understood</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, you need to learn more ninja-ese</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">apparently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, back to test1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the freeze is tomorrow, but there is no listed time of day.  I somewhat want to play by ear, but that can be frustrating for folks too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I also want to get to signing packages as soon as possible as that can be the longest wait.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I'm considering creating the freeze tag in the morning, tagging the latest builds, and starting the signing, but also tagging all the day's builds in the afternoon.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: might even be worth starting some of that today if you get a chance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then doing the actual 'freeze' (IE no more auto tagging into f8-test1) in the afternoon.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jeremy, no presto for test1 still right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: yeah, could start that overnight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm also going to get out a pungi build that should have the configs I"ll be using to make test1, so that people can play at home and help us test the tree out.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so i have an odd question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've been beating on the broken deps report, but I haven't looked at all on the broken upgrades list.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: shoot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">how many of the F8 features are actually read to test in test1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">are there candidate trees yet or are we waiting for the freeze?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jwb: no repos; the plugin bits should be there and people can create repos to play with</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">david nielsen's been doing some installer testing and his results are.. not encouraging</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jwb: few</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: rawhide is candidate trees.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I'm thinkin' media here but okay.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: that's actually a really good question for poelcat.  We need to get al ist of things that are good for people to look at for test1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 hands wwoods a pungi (:</td><td><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, i'm wondering what is actually ready to test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: for serial, there shouldn't be a need to wait for me to produce a tree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">pungi default configs will work then?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does anybody want to tackle the broken upgrade-path list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: I could round up a list of features that are % completion = 100 of close to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and just start going bofh mode on things?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">s/of/or</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat, that would be greate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">er, s/e//</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">so far I think there are only a few</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">rsyslog is the only one i can think of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: also, just contacting feature owners and asking them if there is anything they'd like test1 users to touch on/test/report about.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: glad to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">danke.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat needs to run through all pages that are !approved and give feedback and ping owners as necessary</td><td><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">targetting EOD today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">clarification:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: can you create us a f8test1 tracker bug (I don't want to use the term blocker just yet)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">after test1 unfreezes, do we have to manually tag everything that gets into F8?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">surely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">we already have an F8blocker carried over from F7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">so we're creating a f8test1 entry in the version list for Fedora, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: builds from devel/ continue to get auto-tagged with 'dist-f8'.  To get them into the test release, we manually tag them with 'f8-test1'.  We point 'dist-rawhide' at 'f8-test1' during the freeze.  Post-freeze we re-direct 'dist-rawhide' to 'dist-f8' and life continues.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">i thought we didn't do that no more</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><insert long argument about bugzilla versions...></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">we tried it and it was awful, we decided to redesign the bug entry page to only show a few versions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: we didn't, but it caused confusion because there existed versions for the old ones.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I did a mockup of that page and talked to the websites team about it, it stalled, nothing happened</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">so now we're back where we started</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: if there were no old versions listed, it would probably be ok, but to have old ones there but no new ones didn't work out so hot.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">because people *will* report against 'test1' and 'f7test1' and so on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: so yeah, I'll get a f8test1 bugzilla entry.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: then delist the old versions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">delisting old versions is hard.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">just move the bugs :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hiding them from the form would be much smarter.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat we were only using "devel" for all test releases</td><td><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">poelcat: yes, and we got bugs filed all over the damn place.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat doesn't follow</td><td><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">give them *more* places to file?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">we'll get bugs for test1, test4 (which is the default for some unknown reason), f7test1, and devel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">give them a *correct* place to file</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: it seemed to cause too much confusion.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">or redesign the bug entry page. which is a stalled project, as mentioned.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: when there were options for old test releases, but no option for new, we were constantly getting hounded about where to file bugs and why there was no version for the test release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">seems like a simple wiki page to me... version under test = "devel" ; GA = GA version </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: which unless we have a bugzilla front page in existance, people won't see.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">constantly? surely it was not more than four or five times?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: we can wiki about it until we are blue in the face.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">just taser everyone that asks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: try 4 or 5 times a day almost.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: fair enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">across email, bugs, irc, etc...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wwoods: what is stalled on front page design?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">poelcat: someone who can actually do proper web design</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I suck at it and I don't have time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">The next question I have is what about new packages to the collection?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we just punt on them until after the freeze?  that's what I would prefer...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(unless they're really needed for something that is broken in the freeze set)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">it needs some backend CGI stuff to emit data like a full list of components, and an AJAX bit to request that full listing, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wwoods: is there a project page for it? i'm no web designer either, but maybe I can find someone internally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">punt 'til after freeze, but allow people to request inclusion if it's important</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sounds reaonable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">poelcat: no, there's no project page. Here's the mail thread. <a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-June/msg00137.html">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-June/msg00137.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, so today I'll create the freeze tag, I'll create the version in bugzilla, do a pungi release with potential test1 configs (just generically named f8-*), start tagging packages and signing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and maybe even start a pungi spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that's a lot of "i'll"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tomorrow we'll see where we are with rawhide, tackle any issues that come up and start doing more tagging/spinning.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we really need to look at scaling f13</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jwb: I'm working on getting a live cd that fits on a cd</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: hehe, most of these are little 2 minute operations.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jeremy, good :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">just sounds like a lot :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">_i_ will merrily sit on my arse and do nothing since i'll be away from the interweb for the next week or so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and i will feel bad about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob runs in the door</td><td><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, if you install F8test1, will it point to rawhide as an update source?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">should</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">warren: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">We screwed that up in past test releases, just making sure =)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just like all previous test releases.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">tracker bug with alias "F8Test1" created</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: when was the last time we screwed that up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, a year ago?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f7test4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 doesn't recall that.</td><td><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">anyway, sounds good.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">maybe i'm thinking of something else</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I had a checklist of things to do before, and will need to consult again, as we need to do things like give legal a heads up, give the mirrors a heads up, make sure mmcgrath has enough space fo us, etc...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">make sure the torrent has enough space, pre-generate torrent ini files, all that fun stuff.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hrm, I think we're too late to really look at jigdo support as well, unless somebody else wants to look at that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">are all these things documented? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">bah. fie on jigdo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">'fie' ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, should take your checklist and turn it into an SOP page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">fie, I say!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: some of it is documented in the Overview page.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">more trouble than it's worth in every situation where I've had to deal with it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: the checklist was one release specific and missing a lot.  The Overview could be turned into an SOP sortof.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">naturally this is just my own personal curmudgeonry.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jigdo needs an owner for it who's responsible/accountable, is there such a person?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So, should we meet again on Thursday to discuss test1 status and plan for the weekend?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">if not, punt it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: not that I know of.  I think some of the unity guys are playing with auto-jigdo creation stuff, but not having a good time of it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: well, there ya go.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 is quite a bit scared that davej is out this week at OSCON.</td><td><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: thursday when?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: right after FESCO ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(2-3 eastern)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">lets get a quick vote, Meet Thursday here after FESCo to discuss test1 status?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">2PM?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">eastern</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, with davej gone, do we have anyone authorized to make changes to the kernel before test1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">(if needed)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cebbert or *gasp* j-rod?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">warren: plenty of people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i say we nominate j-rod to be the test1 kernel wrangler</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren thinks it would be nice if cebbert came into IRC.</td><td><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren, he does at times</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I would nominate j-rod, but it's not his $DAYJOB so I'd want to check with him first.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cebbert is a more likely candidate, or both of them.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i was just joking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">he does seem to have good kernel foo in the specfile at least :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">everybody else OK with meeting Thursday?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: oh indeed.  I think he's qualified for the job, just not sure what his manager would think of it (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: at OSCON, but i'll be logging</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oh good.  we can bug davej by proxy then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: you got it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">or if there is wireless "live from the Fedora booth"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anywho, is there any other Test1 related topics?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">my god, my god, we're all gonna die?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting, maybe.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">eventually</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">any /other/ topics?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">signing server</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">is there anything someone other than f13 can do on this?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: well, nobody is stopping anybody from producing code</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">all we have right now is a loosely agreed upon spec for what it should look like.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">can we set up a couple of xen guests to test with somewhere?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">writing code is sorta pointless without testing it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">bah, testing is overrated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods gets stabby</td><td><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy waves to wwoods :-)</td><td><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, where is the spec again?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: an RFR would not be turned down.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, ok.  i might poke at that when i return then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb steps out for a few</td><td><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/SigningServerSpecDraft">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/SigningServerSpecDraft</a>  seems I forgot to move it over to the ReleaseEngineering namespace.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">will do that today.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I suppose somebody could match up our Spec to what RH uses today for signing and do some code investigation.  I did a little, and discovered that it would be a lot of changes and a big fork, so it might be better to just start our own from scratch and steal/share code where possible.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although RH's isn't opensource (yet) and there is some pain/process involved with making it such, so I've been avoiding looking too closely at the code</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else on signing server?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(or rel-eng in general)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, calling hte meeting.  Thanks folks!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
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