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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-11-05
F8
- off to the mirrors; torrents are in progress
- later this afternoon hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect
- F8 is unlocked in bodhi so the requests will now show up in the list.
- 170 0-day updates so far
Post F8
- implement new development cycle
- change of names from "development" tree to "rawhide"
- making these changes early next week
- f13 to send out a proposal
- we need to prioritize F8Target blocker bug
- other details in IRC transcript
IRC Transcript
2007-11-05-14:10-meeting-snapshot
| f13 | jeremy: notting: rdieter: wwoods: jwb: spot: warren: poelcat: ping | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> |
|---|---|---|
| * poelcat present | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| rdieter | here | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> |
| jwb | here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| * wwoods almost here | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> | |
| * jeremy is here | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> | |
| f13 | heh | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| f13 | I'll give it a few more minutes | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| * wwoods here | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> | |
| f13 | well, we're in a holding pattern for Fedora 8 now. | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | It's going to mirrors, torrents are in progress | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | I made the bugzilla entry today | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | and later this afternoon I hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| lmacken | f13: just unlocked F8 in bodhi, so the requests will now show up in the list. | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| wwoods | cool. how many 0-day updates are we looking at right now? | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| lmacken | 170 | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| wwoods | phrreeow. | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| poelcat | youch | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| wwoods | that's updates-testing day 0. how many of those have actually requested a push to stable? | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| lmacken | 68 stable | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| lmacken | 97 testing | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| lmacken | which means there are 5 not submitted | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| * lmacken is thinking about making updates get auto-submitted to testing.. and still allow people to push right to stable. | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> | |
| f13 | lmacken: or just nag mail for things unsubmitted | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| lmacken | that would work too.. but with the cli doing a single command would be nice, instead of create, then submit. | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | yeah | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| f13 | So, post f8 stuff. | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Post F8 | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> | |
| f13 | We have the new development cycle to implement | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| f13 | mostly that means changing the Overview page and making sure the new schedule follows suit | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| f13 | We also wanted to do an s/development/rawhide/ on the mirror | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | right | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | and probably s/devel/rawhide/ in bugzilla versions | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | We talked before a little bit about giving releases names at the start of the cycle | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| EvilBob | Wasn't there talk of dropping the "rawhide" name? | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| jeremy | EvilBob: back in FC1, yes | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| wwoods | I think mostly we just haven't been clear on the fact that 'rawhide' *is* the internal codename for the new product | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| jeremy | EvilBob: we're going back... what's old is new and all that :) | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| EvilBob | ;^) | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| rdieter | retro rawhide | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| mdomsch | rawhide++ | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| wwoods | f13: so F9Alpha, F9Beta, F9PR1, ... F9 | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| wwoods | (PR1 subject to change) | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| wwoods | how are those going to be numbered? 8.91, 8.92, 8.93, ... 9? | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| f13 | yes. | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| wwoods | so pre-Alpha rawhide will be.. 8.90? | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| f13 | I thik that's what I set it for | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| f13 | but if we are going to change development/rawhide/ I have to update it again anyway | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| wwoods | I remember seeing a couple of exchanges like: "do you have the development repository enabled?" "no, I'm not doing software development, I just want to run rawhide" | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| f13 | yep | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| wwoods | are we going to change the repo file name? | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| f13 | hrm, good question. | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | we probably should | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | but... that may leave folks in an odd lurch | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| wwoods | oh, true. how do we determine the initial state of the 'rawhide' repo? it should match 'development' | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | not only that, but introducing a new file, and removing an old one, will keep the old one around, maybe as .rpmsave though | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| wwoods | I have a feeling the window for a change like this is open right now but closing rapidly | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| rdieter | doit++ | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| f13 | yeah, we'd have to announce now and give folks some time to prepare. | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | (read mirrors) | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| wwoods | I'd like for skvidal / notting / jeremy / etc. to weigh in on this before we start changing things | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| wwoods | would we change the name of the dir on the mirrors too? | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| * rdieter wants T-shirts: LIve 'n die by rawhide, livin la vida rawhide | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> | |
| f13 | I'd like to do this in a way that we don't make the mirrors have to resync everything. | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: yes. | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| * skvidal reads up on what I'm weighing in on | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> | |
| f13 | wwoods: it doesn't make sense to do this half assed. | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| wwoods | we can change the name of the repo, the *filename* of the repo, and the bugzilla version | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| wwoods | without touching mirror layout | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| skvidal | ah, okay | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: but then the baseurl for rawhide points to development/ | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| skvidal | so we're changing things to say 'rawhide' everywhere | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| skvidal | are we going to manually [re] move those files in %scriptlets or are we counting on rpmnew/rpmsaves? | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| jwb | for "continuity" reasons | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| wwoods | f13: right, well - that's a little odd but I don't think we're going to change package CVS f'rinstance | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| wwoods | so there's some things that aren't going to be changing from 'devel' to 'rawhide' | <a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a> |
| wwoods | the baseurl is more user-visible than that, though | <a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a> |
| f13 | skvidal: I was going ot count on .rpmsave | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| skvidal | okay so we're just nuking the file in fedora-release | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| f13 | skvidal: the new file would be fedora-rawhide.repo so there /shouldn't/ be something to .rpmnew | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| f13 | skvidal: yeah, introduce new repo file in fedora-release, change bugzilla entry, change url on mirrors(potentially) | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| wwoods | where else have we called rawhide 'development'? | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| skvidal | do it - throw up a flag on blogs + mailing lists + the update notices (if any) | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| f13 | so yeah, making these changes early next week seems apropos | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| f13 | any other thoughts about this? I'll send up some proposals. | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| wwoods | yeah, make some proposals so we can get other people to find places we might be forgetting about | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| GeroldKa | hi all | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| f13 | ok, any other business to bring up? | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| wwoods | If there's stuff that should really be handled in 0-day updates, let me know | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| wwoods | we need to prioritise F8Target but I'm not sure there's time to go through and actually set pri/sev on them | <a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a> |
| wwoods | and people monkey with those anyway | <a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a> |
| f13 | yeah | <a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a> |
| f13 | well, attacking what's going to land in updates and updates-testing would be good, once they land that is. | <a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a> |
| wwoods | yeah, use bodhi to karma the important stuff that's there and bug people about what isn't | <a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a> |
| wwoods | or just give me bug IDs and I'll track it, since that's probably what I'll be doing for the next few days | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
| f13 | ok, anything else? tummy monster needs to be fed. | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
| wwoods | F8Target is still 126/391 open | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
| wwoods | :/ | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
| * wwoods done | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> | |
| f13 | ok, meeting over. thanks all. | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> |
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