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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-04-28

Fedora 9

  • over 300 packages in dist-f9 that are not f9-final
  • 50-55 bugs on the blocker list that aren't in MODIFIED
  • serious blocker: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445
  • Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed
  • See log for more details

Release Candidate

  • start spinning RCs on Thursday or Friday of this week

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<tr id="t13:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - ROll Call</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ping: spot rdieter lmacken</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">rdieter: whoops, knew i forgot someone. sorry.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods in the house like furniture</td><td><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: nailed to the floor and covered with rubber?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: rel-eng meeting: F9!</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so... I've been gone for a few days, how's F9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting pointed out over 300 packages in dist-f9 that are not f9-final.  Should we be concerned?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is the buildroot f9-final or dist-f9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: buildroot is f9-final</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I sent out a call to arms a week ago to help with this, a more targetted look</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we've got ~50-55 bugs on the blocker list that aren't in MODIFIED</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">what I really want is to look through the blocker list, see what has been closed since the freeze, and which of those packages are in teh 300 list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">F9 is... worrying me a bit. I've been monitoring the blocker list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">AFAICT: in the past week, we've closed 20-30 blockers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">and added the same number</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">re: those 300 packages. i was going to send mail with the list. should i take the time to do individual mails to the package maintainers, or just dump to -devel-list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: are they actual "blockers"?  I haven't done any incoming review of them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: hrm, I assume you'd rather just dump to the list right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: yes :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">on the bright (?) side I think we found our traditional "oh shit oh shit" last-minute nastybug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">bug 443445</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: which is funny as "last minute" given that we had signed packages over a week ago</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I'd say.. probably half the bugs on the blocker list are actually blockerworthy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">well, okay, maybe there's still room for another last-minute doombug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter covers ears, la la la</td><td><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: also, when sending this mail, should we move the pkgs to updates-candidate?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but in my estimation that's the only bug on the list that is both a) a non-negotiable release blocker, and b) the correct fix would definitely take longer than we have</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: getting to that later</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">pretty much everything else is, you know.. a one-line fix. it just takes a week to figure out which line to change.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods exaggerating and oversimplifying</td><td><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">speaking of signed packages: did someone sign the 3 unsigned packages (control-center, gnome-desktop, gnome-settings-daemon)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok, I'll try to roll my sleeves up and do some review/culling today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: I do believe notting took care of that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">kcool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(and also, wasn't that a great test of what the tools will do when an unsigned package is encountered?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">heh. yes!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">clever move, that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">do we know how unsigned packages are making it into the mirrors?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">those 3 weren't the only unsigned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat was just going to ask about those :)</td><td><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: the mash output will tell us when there is something unsigned.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: was mash doing so a few days ago?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">those 3 was because they were tagged on saturday (?) and neither f13 nor I got around to signing them before rawhide went out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">a few days ago we weren't requiring signed packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting: and the case where ltsp went out unsigned is a mystery?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: yea we were</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">only after we changed fedora-release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: right, which was nearly a week ago</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">warren: the basic problem here is that the f9 repo is actually just a redirect to rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">For the reason of those 3 packages I'm afraid of tagging anything myself now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">That's why my participation on rel-eng list dropped off</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">so if a package gets tagged without being signed it goes out unsigned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">which is a problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">There is no guarantee that f13 or notting will be around</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">so, yeah, the tag has to be done by someone with the signing key</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods not tagging anything unless a signer is around anymore</td><td><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">or just don't do a fire-forget</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: there are two separate issues, that, and ltsp which was signed but went out unsigned anyway.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah I don't know anything about that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: what day did it go out unsigned?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: I don't know, only noticed it yesterday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: it has cached signatures from 04-18. dunno if it had signed packages, because apparently calling write-signed-rpms rewrites them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: what arch?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: x86_64 for sure, I didn't look at others</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">checking the mash archives, it doesn't appear to have been sinced since before 4/20 at least</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if it is happening for this one package, perhaps it is happening to others/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: I don't think so.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but we can quickly check</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">$ find /pub/fedora/linux/development/ -name "*.rpm"|xargs rpmdev-checksig |grep -v 4f2a6fd2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that's running on releng1, it'll tell us what things are unsigned.  I only expect ltsp</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: hey, ok if i clean out a couple months of ancient rawhide trees?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok, we're actually finding a bit more unsigned, I"ll clean these up today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">are there signers other than f13 and notting?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: what type of unsigned?  tagged but not signed, or like ltsp?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: it wouldn't be in the development/ directory if it weren't tagged.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: i wonder if it's generally unsigned, or write-signed-rpms failed somewhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: likely it's another case where the cached signature exists, but the written copy doesn't for reasons of signed_unsigned being a steaming pile of shit.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">haha. markmc already sent the list of new stuff to fedora-devel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: nice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">doh! I'm on the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hah, somehow I am too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well nwo that we've talked the signing issue to death, lets move on a bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: rel-eng meeting: dist-f9-updates-candidate</td><td><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: it's created, but unpopulated (and not the default)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we really need to start directing builds to go there, and make bodhi start accepting update requests</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">however that means we would then have to do two steps when tagging things, move-pkg from dist-f9-updates-candidate to dist-f9, and then tag for f9-final</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well, I guess we don't /have/ to, but it does make things cleaner</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">so shall I add F9 to bodhi, and allow for submissions ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">people have already tried to build f-9 updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: only once we've setup dist-f9-updates-candidate with allt he pending things in dist-f9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: shall i move over all these things?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and, you'll have to keep it from showing up in teh push lists so that we can continue pusing f7/8 updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: yep, there is a 'locked' boolean for each release that does just that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: sure, just remember we have to do move-pkg when tagging now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">move-pkg from dist-f9-updates-candidate to dist-f9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: yes, and then tag-pkg f9-final</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: is there any time of night we should be able to tag until without fear?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">when did we move rawhide to?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting: I was referring to "will f13 or notting sign stuff"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: just make sure one of us is around to sign.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: right, but that's still a relevant data point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">midnight eastern should be fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and possibly later if i'm paying attention</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh good. packages that abort in %post . *sigh*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">WHAM</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wwoods: one more blocker for you!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">expletives!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">oh yeah: the mouse capplet needs a package which wasn't submitted for review until saturday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">ha ha ha!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: ok, will send mail about the shuffle to devel-announce & -evel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">who do we poke to get that through with the quickness?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: any packager can review it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: including you!  (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">aw dammit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: rel-eng meeting: release candidates</td><td><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The schedule has us spinning RCs as of Thursday/Friday of this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The box that I use to do composes was supposed to get moved into the Boston lab, and subsequently moved early over to the new building and thus be available over the weekend</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">As of yet, I cannot reconnect to said box</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jeremy was handling this, and I do not know what the expected state of things is, so I'm not in panic mode yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">what happens if it turns out the box is on fire or something?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">is there a backup plan?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we find a different box :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">all I need is an x86_64 machine that can run mock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I assume it's just "grab another machine with fat disks"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think we have... a few of those.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">'kay</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hey guess what?  more corrupted packages!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">paraview needs a rebuild.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">*sigh*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">How dangerous is it to add the entire list of new packages to f9-final?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: i wouldn't</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> pingou</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: uh, no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">pingou: that's not necessary in this meeting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> pingou</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">sorry I have just seen that <f13> wwoods: any packager can review it but if you need help why not ask around ? I believe you have other things to do than a review no ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I wasn't suggesting it, just asking about the danger.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah, I'll probably just ask around in #fedora-devel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: thats a rather giant pile of untested packages and we've got 4 working days until RC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">okay so candidates will get built later this week and we should rock on down the blocker list until then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">anything else we need to cover? I asked all the questions I've got, I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: can I have a sec (after meeting is ok)?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">rdieter: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">lmacken: want me to poke you when i'm done moving stuff to updates-candidate?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think that's it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
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