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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-07

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<tr id="t13:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 78 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 77 normal] </td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: meeting today?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ping notting jeremy jwb rdieter wwoods spot warren poelcat lmacken</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* lmacken </td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is heah.</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">word</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F9 Alpha!</td><td><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, freeze for Alpha is 8 days away.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yet another secondary arch?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"><klaxon starts sounding></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">my plan for today is to do a compose across the arches and see what pops as unresolvable deps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">those we'll want to focus on getting fixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jwb: are you doing the ppc composes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">i'm going to do perl 5.10 soon.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13,  should we kick maintainers into fixing F8 > F9 issues?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">soon as in, today or tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting, i believe that was the plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: if you'd like.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13, I'm still on vacation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">beyond unresolvable deps, do we have an idea as to what is completely hosed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">however i wouldn't be opposed if f13 did some</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13, do we have koji tags for this already?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">no</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we create the tag on Tuesday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">if we're not freezing, why do we need tags?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">or more likely monday night.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so you're just composing rawhide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: we need a tag to compose from.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: it's a non-blocking freeze, we're not blocking rawhide from moving on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we're just taking a snapshot of it and updating as releng sees fit to get the alpha out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwb: until tuesday yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">is it on releng to find new things that fix stuff, or people to ping releng?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: installer is pretty hosed right now.  url method dead, network on x86_64 dead (haven't tried ppc)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: both, and with QA involved.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">video is dead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, X is not starting well during install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">aside from that, how was the play. mrs. lincoln?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and logging into X is pretty dead from GDM</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">at least logging into gnome</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">intel X is pretty much hosed up too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">gdm as a whole is dead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">GL ops fail, and X won't restart cleanly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: so all in all we're in pretty good shape!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oh and we're missing a good chunk of firstboot due to things up in the air.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">ship it!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13, your compose configs are where again?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">pungi repo?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb blames xmas for killing most of his braincells</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwb: yes, pungi repo.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">conversely the live image configs are in the live repo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13, were you planning on using the quad to do composes or no?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so it's going to be a fun alpha.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwb: if I'm going to do any ppc testing, sure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">are you?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I wouldn't be opposed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mostly I only have the ps3 left for ppc testing though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">understood.  if you make the isos available, i can give them to omar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, I was hoping to upload isos in progress to koji.fp.o/releng/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">excellent.  i'll also be doing some composes on my own, but you have about 2x the machine i do :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">at least until i get my new one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Seth also has a new createrepo for me to try out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so I'll be throwing that at the compose process too and trying to turn up any weirdness, which my useage set usually does</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">and it might be broken! :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><td class="action" colspan="2">* skvidal goes back to lurking</td><td><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken will be handling the live image creations</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">lmacken, i assume you won't be doing ppc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: correct.. unless we want to do them, and I get access to a machine to do them on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that largely won't be a loss, as they were ppc32 IIRC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: you could have access to the quad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">lmacken, as for access...  the quad or dwmw2 would gladly give you access :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">cool, so if we want to spin them, I'd be happy to do so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">the quad needs updating badly though.  I should do that soon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - FUDCon</td><td><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'll be at fudcon this weekend, willing to do either barcamp or hackfest stuff surrounding releng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I do want to have a bit of a hackfest to re-evaluate how we do rawhide and find some better ways of doing it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">more robust, less hack-o-doom</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">also we have to really look at reversing the netapp stream and what that's going to mean for releng and associated groups like QA</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">something like debian experimental, debian unstable, and debian stable?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwb: no no, just the methodology we use to compose rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwb: it's all kinds of whacky</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">that's putting it mildly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but it "works" for now, which is why we haven't touched it much</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: although, is it really *that* different than how alpha/beta/final is composed, aside from being automated?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: there are some significant differences.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">not that how we do the other composes is great mind you.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we really need koji run-root capability, but there are other things we can clean up in the mean time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">from an outsider, the largest complication is that it does it all internally to the builder network</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">run-root meaning?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">which, of course, is the speedy part</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">warren: a way to run commands on another arch inside a mock-created chroot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: a koji process to run a specific command in a chroot created from a specific tag.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">like say pungi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">because, wow, is pungify a horror</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: so perhaps we can sit down and clean up some of that this weekend.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">you know, right before we freeze (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion</td><td><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Anything anybody would like to discuss?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">how are we going to handle the alpha tagging?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">send email to rel-eng saying "i tagged this"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jwb: you mean releng people tagging things for the alpha?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We should use hte same methodology we did for previous freezes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">if we do one ourselves that's not externally requested IRC would likely work OK too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">subscribe rel-eng@fp.o to koji tag notifications :P</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i don't foresee a large problem.  just curious</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: could do that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">at least for that tag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">except it doesn't tell you why</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">yeep. back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods reads scrollback quickly</td><td><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: I'll wait.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I don't think url installs are broken (I just did one, and other than the 'user' command in kickstart causing a traceback, it worked)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">'course that means grubby didn't run, so it's not bootable...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I'd really like to help straighten out the pungify / mash stuff. or at least help myself understand how we go from koji -> tree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">but yeah, I'll be going into Release Testing Mode soon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">and bothering people about bugs that screw up the alpha release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: in boot.iso installs a sigsegv is thrown.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: it's a newt issue, that is already fixed upstream.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(upstream anaconda that is)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">this was network (using already-existing grub)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">anyway, yeah. nothing amazingly important to say. standard "oh shit oh shit release time" drill</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I'll try to keep <a href="http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html">http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html</a> up to date</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">hopefully some of the hackfest time can go towards making that actually dynamic and automatic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">that's all I got.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok, if there's nothing else, ending in 30.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
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