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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-28

Upcoming Alpha Release

  • Still working on building Alpha
  • Most of Alpha blocker bugs have been addressed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703
  • Unaddressed bugs will be added to known issues list for the Alpha release notes
  • If we do not have good trees to hand to IS by the evening of 2008-01-29 we slip alpha release again
  • slip just for pushing the bits around, but not for fixing anything else

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<tr id="t14:30"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - F9 Alpha</td><td><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ping: warren jwb rdieter wwoods spot jeremy notting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"> /me is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">sort of here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">aight that's enough to get started.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Here's my current known F9 Alpha status.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">1) waiting on a firstboot build that puts firstboot modules in arch specific python dir, as the firstboot package itself is arch specific, and this is screwing with anaconda's mind when it decides what modules to put in stage2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it's likely we'll need a more elegant solution here in the future, but in the interest of getting the Alpha out, we need this.  Without it, we get bizarre messages during install about loading the keyboard selection window.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2) I just tagged the latest dhcpclient package as it fixes some sigabrts during install and some stuff post-install.  I have to manually multilib it in a local repo for me to compose against it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">3) once those are done, I'm going to make another set of trees to play with, and point lmacken at it so he can make live isos.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:34"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter sneaks in, half here.</td><td><a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">how bad is the livecd size situation?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ah, forgot to ping lmacken</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it shrunk 2mb since the first spin!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hah.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I sent another status to fedora-devel-list yesterday with some stats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting: including shrinkage, which you asked for</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but yeah, we need to do some serious chipping away at deps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: the problem is we have serious little time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">are we blocking alpha on generating cd-sized isos ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: we target CD sized isos for at least the i686 Fedora Live image</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">right now, KDE is fine.. it's our main desktop spin that is a bit chunky.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(gnome desktop)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 712M 2008-01-26 01:18 F9-Alpha-i686-20080126.0.iso</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hopefully it won't be *too* hard to get that under for alpha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: see if you can get ahold of jeremy to lend some chipping hands.  I see him hitting mail right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: will do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">lmacken: is the image posted somewhere?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">also, in the interest of saving bandwidth and disk space, I plan to cut some corners with the release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">1) no source isos.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2) no Everything tree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">does anybody have any objections to that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we did #2 last cycle, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting: not externally.. you can grab it from <a href="http://erebor.boston/live">http://erebor.boston/live</a> though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: correct.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: did we do #1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't think so.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but let me double check</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: we did #1, but it was with only DVD, not split source mediea.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">to be honest, I don't even know if that code in pungi still runs correctly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: but we only did dvd media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so, this really isn't a change</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: I wouldn't be producing /any/ source iso, nor a source/ package tree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">eh, producing source media keeps us out of too much grey arey legally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">s/media/isos/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">except we don't have anywhere on the binary isos that mentions anything about getting the source</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">if I have to produce tree/iso of the alpha, we will likely miss Thursday release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what are we doing about these before thursday? <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703&hide_resolved=1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703&hide_resolved=1</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: i'm not sure what having an offer has to do with it. having the isos in the same place makes things more sane</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: turning it into a Known Issues list.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:45" class="time">14:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: I don't believe that it has to be in iso format, at all.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">also, i'm finding the idea of each release being 'what can we cut out to get it out by the deadline' icky</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: some of those need to be fixed for automated installer testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: then we have to slip the release, and frankly...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: that first one is fixed by the dhcpclient I talked about earlier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">also, 429937 causes the release to fail from the 'can install and get updates' standpoint</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">428893 is already fixed with e2fsprogs I already tagged</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: and there is nobody looking at it.  So do we just sit on the Alpha until somebody does?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:48" class="time">14:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">it's not reproduceable, is the problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I've been trying for days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right, I haven't seen it at all either</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I've seen it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and I'm OK with that for Alpha.  We miss some targets.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but I can't make it happen anymore</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: that depends on how often it happens, how reproducible is it, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">and I can't figure out how I triggered it in the first place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: and frankly, if no one's looking at it, that's a problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which bug is not reproducable?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">bug 429937\</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429937">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429937</a> low, low, ---, Peter Jones, ASSIGNED , Can't find root on initial boot after install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429937">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429937</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Bug 429937: low, low, ---, Peter Jones, ASSIGNED , Can't find root on initial boot after install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">that's a really, really vague bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">in my experience it was because I had installed onto an encrypted PV</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">except the initrd didn't include the cryptsetup stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">which I've done every single time I tested</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">same</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(in gui/vnc mode that is)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">also, there are no dupes attached</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">shoot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">forgot about the meeting today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: looking at the list, most of these are already fixed, don't care for Alpha, or can't reproduce to fix.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'll adjust some states later.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: how do you feel about just making a source tree, and not source isos?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it's not like the source isos are anything other than big tarballs.  There is no repodata, there is no other bits.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: have you verified 429713?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: why is there a big difference in producing source.isos vs a source tree?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: doubles the amount of data to be transferred</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what about bug 429939</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429939">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429939</a> low, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, NEW , selinux enabled in kickstart causes system to panic on first boot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: no, I haven't, I'll add that to the list of packages to pull in.  I missed that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: it's tagged, I just haven't tested it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">er, no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">looking at the wrong build.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: source tree is ok. i was thinking it was either/or, not both</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting: ah ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:03" class="time">15:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">poelcat: pretty sure that was an selinux bug that's already been fixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:04" class="time">15:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">anywho, unless there is anything else, I'd like to get back to work.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:04" class="time">15:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">if I don't have good trees to hand to IS by tonight/tomorrow, we gotta slip again, but slip just for pushing the bits around, not for fixing anything else.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:05" class="time">15:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:05" class="time">15:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I haven't been able to test the alpha tree much at all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">what's the difference between it and current rawhide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:06" class="time">15:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wwoods: for anaconda? not much. for the package set? a lot.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:07" class="time">15:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah, I constructed the alpha tree by rsyncing it over a copy of rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:08" class="time">15:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">plenty of package changes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:08" class="time">15:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">we'll see what's goin' on soon enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:08" class="time">15:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I just did a kickstart install with selinux turned on.. system boots fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: I pointed you at my alpha compose right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">tbh, i'm more concerned about X being a giant vat of suck at the moment. but not much we cna do about that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:09" class="time">15:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I'm using .2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">lemme know when .3 is ready</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">and/or whether I should care</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: will do.  .3 is actually transient, we'll be looking for .4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">good to know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:10" class="time">15:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:14"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Open Discussion</td><td><a href="#t15:14" class="time">15:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">is there anything, if not, we're done and I get back to work (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:14" class="time">15:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">the reversing of streams is still on the schedule for next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:16" class="time">15:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">can we cross the streams/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:19" class="time">15:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:19" class="time">15:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that would be bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:19" class="time">15:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t15:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok, calling it.  THanks all.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t15:28" class="time">15:28</a></td></tr>

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