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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-05-05

F9 Release Candidate

  • A few things holding up the release candidate
  • texlive
  • X crashing on evdev removal during installer (kvms)
  • packagekit that just got built.
  • emacs has broken alternatives and is still on the blocker list
  • conflict between rsyslog and syslog-ng

Posting F9 Release Candiate

  • Once we have RC spun and are testing it we should pre-process the pending F9 updates and get them pushed into directories
  • We should also have tickets filed for releases tasks that we need to make sure happen like export approval filing, etc.

Rawhide Switch to F10

  • BugZappers want to cooridnate with bugzilla versioning and rawhide rebase
  • Most likely rawhide composes starting on May 8th or 9th will become F10
  • f13 to keep poelcat updated

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<tr id="t01:00"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Roll Call</td><td><a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping: notting jeremy jwb spot lmacken rdieter wwoods warren</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">sort of here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t01:00" class="time">01:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t01:02" class="time">01:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* lmacken here</td><td><a href="#t01:02" class="time">01:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, lets get started.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:03" class="time">01:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Releng - Release Candidate F9</td><td><a href="#t01:03" class="time">01:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We know of a few things holding up the release candidate.  texlive, X crashing on evdev removal during installer (kvms), and a packagekit that just got built.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">pk is tagged</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: emacs having broken alternatives is still on the blocker list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I thought that got fixed.  Guess not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is the PK build related to the GPG problems?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">no</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:04" class="time">01:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">it's a traceback in the yum backend</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i can't reproduce that emacs failure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">at all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jrb says he can, but he's not sure how he got his system into that state</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods testing stuff</td><td><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">something about starting at F8 and updating</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">X-crashing-on-evdev-removal is not all machines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:05" class="time">01:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I can't produce that bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: you're likely not getting detected as evdev</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: have you successfully cornered ajax?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: was waiting for him to finish lunch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and now I need to go find where he actually sits.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">it should only happen on machines with devices that are keyboard *and* mouse combos, *and* you have to insert/remove a keyboard/mouse</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:06" class="time">01:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: hm, would a ps/2 converter count?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: that may pop as evdev</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I have a two PS/2 to USB converter at home</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: this isn't a combo, it's a real mouse, usb, plugged into the keyboard, also usb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and is this anaconda only or post-install too?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:07" class="time">01:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I've only see it during anaconda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:08" class="time">01:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I don't spend much time out of anaconda in this setup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:08" class="time">01:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and from earlier fun with evdev, we know htat the combo detection is a little bad, there are lots of systems that get picked up as combos when they aren't</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:08" class="time">01:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this can also lead to bad keyboard shortcuts post-install if the detection is wrong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ajax had said something about neutering evdev to not claim combo devices</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yes... but... not a blocker. x crashing may be a blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot will try to reproduce that emacs blocker again today</td><td><a href="#t01:09" class="time">01:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">other than those, I think we're in OK shape.  We're working our way through the testing matrix</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:11" class="time">01:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: would you consider the syslog-ng and rsyslog conflict a blocker?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:11" class="time">01:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: is the fix simple?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:11" class="time">01:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">#?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't know if wwoods filed a bug on it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: don't know.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:12"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting says 'probably not, as there are certainly multilib conflicts somewhere we haven't noticed'</td><td><a href="#t01:12" class="time">01:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:13" class="time">01:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so ideally we'll get the fixes in today for the things that are blockers, and spin the real RC from tomorrow's rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I'm doing a small-e "everything" install from the x86_64 DVD right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">also I can start pre-syncing content to PHX since everything is signed and there are going to be minimal changes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">it's <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441664">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441664</a> essentially</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Bug 441664: low, low, ---, Peter Vrabec, NEW , rsyslog should explicitly conflict with syslog-ng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">they both ship /etc/logrotate.d/syslog</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">which, wtf</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">explicitly conflict is verboten</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe they need to be taught about alternatives</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:14" class="time">01:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">why doesn't rsyslog just ship /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:15" class="time">01:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: or that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:15" class="time">01:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: i'm inclined to leave it, it's not a regression, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:16" class="time">01:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">no, don't think it's a regression</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:16" class="time">01:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">stupid, yes. probably a simple fix, yes. but not a huge problem either</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:16" class="time">01:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">solution: don't install both packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I guess we could also fix it by dropping syslog-ng from the media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">it's on the media????</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that doesn't belong there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">it shouldn't be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">yeah, that's the whole problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: can you fix *that*?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">installing everything in comps on the media (i.e. checking every "install all optional packages" box for everything in the installer)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:17" class="time">01:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">gives you "file conflict" crashy badness</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: from reading it, the f8 packages ATM have an explicit Conflicts:. so i'd rather not rush a special fix for f9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">solution: uncheck syslog-ng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">better solution: don't put it on the stupid media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">whoh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:18" class="time">01:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">shipping a package known to conflict with something in @base seems obviously bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">why did we put it on the media before?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">need to find out why it's on the media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: this is presumably b/c of pungi pulling all providers of 'syslog'?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mether: we didn't explicitly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: oh yeah, I bet that's it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can just drop a -rsyslog in the manifest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: otherway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">er yea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:19" class="time">01:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1 to -syslog-ng in the manifest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">totally +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll toss that into pungi today and ask for a tag request.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">incidentally that'll require a bumped fedora-release too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(since we ship the config there as well)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:20" class="time">01:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">not a big loss</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: tangent: did the ppc compose box survive the move?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: hrm, I haven't seen clumens in yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I could hook it up in my cube for now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">thought he was on a plane?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:21" class="time">01:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">still?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">long plane ride</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">      <packagereq type="optional">syslog-ng</packagereq></td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">yeah it's in comps?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: optional though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: we don't pull optional packages into the media by default, only specific ones/groups</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: aside from that, are there any other infrastructural issues preventing a rc compose?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">is -syslog-ng sufficient?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">'kay</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is just a case of "give me everything that provides 'syslog'"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: should be.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:22" class="time">01:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: none that I know of.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: ping; have you done any ppc composes lately or installs from rawhide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: is a newer tree coming on reducto soon?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, i was supposed to have a machine to do so this week.  no idea if that will actually happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(so no)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">also, i've been out quite a bit over the last 2 weeks.  family issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:23" class="time">01:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: there has been only 1 package change since the last reducto tree.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:24" class="time">01:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ah, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll fly a bit blind with ppc then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I no longer have machines to test with</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, understandable.  we fixed the dvd size issue, yes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I do believe so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k.  we should pester dwmw2_gone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">those excludes are in the pungi package now.  For reals.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">fo shizzle</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:25" class="time">01:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">alright, anything else regarding the release candidate?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease</a>  how did people on the outside get the RC in order to test this?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: one? there's PK and allegro</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">(at least)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: they used rawhide, which is acceptable.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">oh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:26" class="time">01:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: those didn't make today's rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: sorry, confusing last tree/rawhide/post-rawhide-today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I meant changes in rawhide.  Pulling packages down and making a local repo is possible, manually figuring out what should be multilib.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">warren: presumably they used rawhide, or built their own images</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:27" class="time">01:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: ok, have box with ps/2 keyboard, usb keyboard, usb mouse, and two ps/2->usb converters attached. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">InstallSourceHardDrive being broken is a little sad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: some people do use pungi locally to create media too, which is also acceptable/encouraged.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: scary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: yeah, but without a clumens, I'm not sure we'll see a fix for that soon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:28" class="time">01:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:29"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - post-release candidate</td><td><a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">where did clumens go?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">once we have RC spun and are testing it, we should pre-process the pending F9 updates and get them pushed into directories to make sure that's all hot to trot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: I don't know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:29" class="time">01:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren tries it</td><td><a href="#t01:30" class="time">01:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">also, we should have a ticket somewhere for release tasks, or af ew tickets.  I probably need to look into those and make some things happen, like export approval filing and such</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: hey, i broke it!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: crash?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">now, how to debug???</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod.  I'll hunt ajax down after the meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: good luck with that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:31" class="time">01:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's evdev, I seriously think the answer here is stop evdev from claiming the device in this situation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: evdev didn't claim anything according to the log</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: really?!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">lemme try again, but it didn't appear to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: the last thing I see in the log I attached was evdev removal.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">er, last thing before the backtrace</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:32" class="time">01:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hm, do we have any means to make a USB installer now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:33" class="time">01:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">(not live)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:34" class="time">01:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">there's a script.. somewhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:34" class="time">01:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: nothing official.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:35" class="time">01:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">where's the unofficial?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:35" class="time">01:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the script I posted to anaconda-devel list many moons ago</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:35" class="time">01:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:36"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Open Floor</td><td><a href="#t01:36" class="time">01:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: if we find a fix for the install from hard drive in the next day is it too late?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:37" class="time">01:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: probably not.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:38" class="time">01:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: is a bug filed for that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:38" class="time">01:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443291">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443291</a> was the NFS iso one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Bug 443291: medium, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, CLOSED RAWHIDE, ISO image via NFS, got "Missing ISO 9660 image" and failed to install</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443580">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443580</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nfsiso is confirmed fixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Bug 443580: low, low, ---, Chris Lumens, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Hard disk installation fails</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">is the hdiso variant</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">which was closed as a dupe of the former</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hdiso is now failing for some other reason</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: could you throw that into source control anywhere?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">guess I'll reopen it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: did you see my mail asking when rawhide will start composing from devel branch again?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: probably best, and throw in the latest logs which should show something else.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: do we have a full anaconda log of the failure?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: the new failure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:39" class="time">01:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: I did not, that'll likely be once I start syncing the GOLD bits to the mirrors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: want to coordinate it w/ bugzilla versioning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">actually</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:40"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 thinks.</td><td><a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We kind of have to wait until F9 goes public due to mirror manager redirection</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:40" class="time">01:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or else people will just get yum failures for a few days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:41" class="time">01:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">warren: they're not interesting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:41" class="time">01:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">but yeah, I can get some</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:41" class="time">01:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: so that would mean, not until 2008-05-13 ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:42" class="time">01:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: actually, what we might be able to do, is create empty updates repos and get those synced out, and point all f9 requests to the udpates directory</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:43" class="time">01:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: that way we can let rawhide move on earlier than that, this week, and not break people who are on F9.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: I'll start a conversation with mdomsch and co about this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: I'd say either the 8th or the 9th rawhide will become F10</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: okay, that is helpful... can you keep me in the loop?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:44" class="time">01:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:45" class="time">01:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">i'll re-fwd that mail</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:45" class="time">01:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: crashing in core server code</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:46" class="time">01:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, if there is nothing else, I'm going to go hunt down ajax.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:48" class="time">01:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t01:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, rock and roll.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t01:49" class="time">01:49</a></td></tr>
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