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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-05-19

Open Tickets

Miscellaneous

  • Figure out a way to use bodhi for tagging for F10
  • Perhaps auto-tagging via karma of a non-updates repo with restricted karma ability?
  • http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RelengRhel5Migration
  • Infrastructure is asking us for an outage window to do an fsck of /mnt/koji file store
  • Do it this weekend starting Friday evening or Saturday morning
  • Estimated to run for 22 hours

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<tr id="t13:14"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Roll Call</td><td><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping: notting wwoods jeremy spot warren rdieter lmacken jwb poelcat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">missing today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy  </td><td><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok.  Lets look at our open milestones first</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - tickets</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">.rel 24</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> zodbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: #24 (spins for Fedora 9) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/projects/rel-eng/ticket/24">https://fedorahosted.org/projects/rel-eng/ticket/24</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">THis is the ticket to create the custom spins for F9.  It's assigned to jwb now, since he did them before</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but since he's missing today's meeting we can skip that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll do them when we have something decided on which to spin...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">However we do need to come up with some written expectations as to custom spins for F10</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i'm concerned about 'haven't received updates but should work the same'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">especially as I know for a *fact* that FEL won't just work the same</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hence why chitlesh had explicitly asked for it to not be done for f9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: right.  I'm thinking that if the spin owner hasn't demonstrated that their spin still works and hasn't done any QA on it, we shouldn't push it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no filled in test matrix, no cookie.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">agreed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">are the spin owners noted somewhere?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">for the few we have, I can note it off the top of my head and then we can note it somewhere :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">realistically this is a requirement we should deliver to the Spins SIG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I think we can safely nominate jwb to be our representation there.  (especially because he'd not here right now)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">haha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">even so, any spins we make based on this ticket are only beta spins at first, correct?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">notting: that's what I remember of the approved process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, that's fine.  though i'll note i'll be pretty much "gone" end of may/beginning of june due to moving</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">alright, I think we can move on from this one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">.rel 23</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> zodbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: #23 (Fedora 10 Naming) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/projects/rel-eng/ticket/23">https://fedorahosted.org/projects/rel-eng/ticket/23</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">whoops, another jwb item (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll send an email for that on wed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">any other questions there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">don't think so.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb goes back to not being here</td><td><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">That reaches the end of our open tickets (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We do however have a F10 milestone that I'll be adding tickets to over time, and I encourage other people to add tickets to it as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">having tickets for our tasks does help with overall visibility and making sure nothing slips through the cracks.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Also, I've packaged up and submitted for review an application that will allow us to take email in and have them converted to Trac tickets.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this will allow tag requests and whatnot to become tickets, which will help again with making sure things don't get lost.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">.ticket 198</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> zodbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: #198 (Enable email to Trac Ticket filing aliases) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/198">https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/198</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's the Infrastructure ticket concerning this effort.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at the time we enable email -> trac, I want to create a real releng mailing list, since we can now do hosted mailing lists</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">move discussion to the public list, and get rid of the alias which is difficult to maintain and archive</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Does anybody see a problem with going this route?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sounds good. is it possible to close the same tickets via e-mail?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">theoretically you can, if you add some extra junk to your subject line</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you can certainly update the ticket via email, it reads the re: [number] </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: no problems, me likey.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: I want to figure out how we can use bodhi for tagging for f10...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: yeah, that's also a useful avenue to persue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy looks at lmacken</td><td><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything further on tickets?  (I'm going to run through relevant open tickets at each meeting too, again visiblity)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jeremy: hm, so auto-tagging via karma of a non-updates repo with restricted karma ability?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">notting: that seems like a more "right" answer.  or hell, even let people add karma and comments.  then we have a better idea if the package actually works</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - open floor</td><td><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't have any other topics for today's meeting.  I'm still in post-f9 recovery mode and concentrating on some other things.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: releng migration status? anything you need an assist with?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah good topic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: fedora releng - <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RelengRhel5Migration">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RelengRhel5Migration</a></td><td><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've done a some work, as noted in the ticket.  THe work left to be done involves bodhi, which is luke's domain</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: is the mockified buildrawhide in git now the actual one being used? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: it will be when we start composing from rhel5releng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: so, the repodiff usage in current rawhide is still based off the old code?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: correct, I hand edited the buildrawhide on releng1 to switch over to repodiff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since treediff was failing repeatedly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not with releng2, just got to get luke to test/verify his stuff and then schedule a time for the cutover.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: fedora releng - fsck outage</td><td><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Infrastructure is asking us for an outage window to do an fsck of /mnt/koji filestore</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">testing has shown that it takes roughly 22 hours to do the fsck.  I've initially given the suggestion of memorial day weekend, starting Friday evening or saturday morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that sounds sane</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">sounds good to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think that's this weekend.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">it is!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wfm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll let infra now that we all signed off on it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: fedora releng - open floor (again)</td><td><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">If there are no topics in 2 minutes...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jeremy: so if we can't change that behavior somehow, then there's no way of doing preupgrade without network connectivity</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Thanks all.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel</a> for meeting schedule</td><td><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
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