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= Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-10-06 =

== Ticket Review ==
* (spins for Fedora 9) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/24
** Need feedback from spin owners
* (Add a time stamp to the rawhide info) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/25
* (F9 Postmortem follow-up) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/106
** f13 to add updates
* (infrastructure for creating desktop live cds daily) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/764
* (Resign everything) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/767
** progressing--almost done
** see IRC log for details
* (spam-o-matic uses provides rather than package name in some instances) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/832

== Fedora 10 Snapshot 1 ==
* Coming this week
* Concerns about stability of anaconda

== IRC Transcript ==

{|
|- id="t10:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | ping: notting lmacken spot rdieter poelcat wwoods
|| [[#t10:02|10:02]] 
|- id="t10:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | jeremy said that he would be skipping today's meeting.
|| [[#t10:02|10:02]] 
|- id="t10:02"
| colspan="2" | * spot is here
|| [[#t10:02|10:02]]
|- id="t10:03"
| colspan="2" | * warren here
|| [[#t10:03|10:03]]
|- id="t10:04"
| colspan="2" | * poelcat here
|| [[#t10:04|10:04]]
|- id="t10:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | ah, warren, that's who I forgot to ping
|| [[#t10:04|10:04]] 
|- id="t10:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I knew I was missing a name.
|| [[#t10:04|10:04]] 
|- id="t10:04"
| colspan="2" | * notting is here
|| [[#t10:04|10:04]]
|- id="t10:04"
! style="background-color: #42427e" |  warren
| style="color: #42427e" | f13: I'll take the subtle hint. =)
|| [[#t10:04|10:04]] 
|- id="t10:05"
| colspan="2" | * lmacken here
|| [[#t10:05|10:05]]
|- id="t10:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: nah, it's a Monday morning thing here.
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]] 
|- id="t10:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty.
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]] 
|- id="t10:06"
| colspan="2" | * wwoods here
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]]
|- id="t10:06"
| colspan="2" | -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Tickets
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]]
|- id="t10:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | bah, picked the wrong time to update my laptop.
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]] 
|- id="t10:06"
| colspan="2" | * wwoods sick but doin' his best
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]]
|- id="t10:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 24
|| [[#t10:06|10:06]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | oh cute.
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 24
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: #24 (spins for Fedora 9) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/24
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" |  dwmw2
| style="color: #854685" | is have fesco meeting?
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | dwmw2: see /topic
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" |  dwmw2
| style="color: #854685" | oh, it's monday
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:07"
| colspan="2" | * dwmw2 goes in search of caffeine
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]]
|- id="t10:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | this is an old ticket, the F9 spins.  They've been up in "beta" for a while.
|| [[#t10:07|10:07]] 
|- id="t10:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I"ve asked for the spin owners to provide some feedback as to if we should move them out of beta (in label only).
|| [[#t10:08|10:08]] 
|- id="t10:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | mostly I'd just like to get this ticket off our plate
|| [[#t10:08|10:08]] 
|- id="t10:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | only rahul has commented so far on the xfce spin
|| [[#t10:08|10:08]] 
|- id="t10:09"
| colspan="2" | * nirik notes the Xfce spin has worked fine here. 
|| [[#t10:09|10:09]]
|- id="t10:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: the F9 one?
|| [[#t10:09|10:09]] 
|- id="t10:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" |  nirik
| style="color: #488888" | yes. I have it on a usb key here... have used it a fair bit.
|| [[#t10:10|10:10]] 
|- id="t10:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | k.
|| [[#t10:10|10:10]] 
|- id="t10:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll try to poke a few other spin ownes, and twiddle some bits in the torrent ini file.  Hopefully changing the name won't interrupt any existing torrents.
|| [[#t10:10|10:10]] 
|- id="t10:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | it'll be good to close this one off.
|| [[#t10:10|10:10]] 
|- id="t10:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 25
|| [[#t10:11|10:11]] 
|- id="t10:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: #25 (Add a timestamp to the rawhide info) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/25
|| [[#t10:11|10:11]] 
|- id="t10:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | this one I forgot about, just need to stash a UTC timestamp somewhere that shows when the compose started.
|| [[#t10:12|10:12]] 
|- id="t10:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | nothing really exciting here.
|| [[#t10:12|10:12]] 
|- id="t10:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 106
|| [[#t10:13|10:13]] 
|- id="t10:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: #106 (F9 Postmortem follow-up) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/106
|| [[#t10:13|10:13]] 
|- id="t10:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | this ticket has some thoughts and improvement suggestions based on the F9 release.  I haven't looked back at this ticket in a while, to see where we are.
|| [[#t10:13|10:13]] 
|- id="t10:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | my gut feeling is that we haven't done much here.
|| [[#t10:14|10:14]] 
|- id="t10:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I need to update the ticket with what we have done though.
|| [[#t10:14|10:14]] 
|- id="t10:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 764
|| [[#t10:14|10:14]] 
|- id="t10:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: #764 (infrastructure for creating desktop live cds daily) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/764
|| [[#t10:14|10:14]] 
|- id="t10:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | This is a fun one!
|| [[#t10:14|10:14]] 
|- id="t10:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I've had a few conversations with a few people regarding attempting livecd composes on a daily basis, like we do the traditional install tree
|| [[#t10:15|10:15]] 
|- id="t10:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | but given the size of these things, and the way that they don't work well with rsync, et al, the thought now is to attempt the compose, log the output, and the size if successful, and make said output available, just not the iso itself.
|| [[#t10:15|10:15]] 
|- id="t10:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | once we've accomplished that, we can start doing even more fun things, like generating the package list, doing a diff against the previous day for size, and maybe against the previous milestone
|| [[#t10:16|10:16]] 
|- id="t10:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | the idea here is that we'll be less surprised when things don't fit, and catch things earlier.
|| [[#t10:16|10:16]] 
|- id="t10:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | We have a compose host at our disposal, so I'm going to start working on some scripting for this, based on some stuff kanarip has for revisor
|| [[#t10:17|10:17]] 
|- id="t10:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | any thoughts on this ticket?
|| [[#t10:17|10:17]] 
|- id="t10:17"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" |  poelcat
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | is there anyway others can help monitor sucess/failure of daily run?
|| [[#t10:17|10:17]] 
|- id="t10:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" |  lmacken
| style="color: #4b904b" | This could nicely tie into the spins.fp.o
|| [[#t10:18|10:18]] 
|- id="t10:18"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" |  poelcat
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | so it doesn't all depend on f13 :)
|| [[#t10:18|10:18]] 
|- id="t10:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | poelcat: the idea is that the success/failure of the daily trials are published just as the rawhide report is
|| [[#t10:18|10:18]] 
|- id="t10:18"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" |  poelcat
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | nice 
|| [[#t10:18|10:18]] 
|- id="t10:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | and that the daily trails are fully automated, so that it doesn't depend on me at all
|| [[#t10:18|10:18]] 
|- id="t10:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, moving on.
|| [[#t10:22|10:22]] 
|- id="t10:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 767
|| [[#t10:23|10:23]] 
|- id="t10:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: #767 (Resign everything) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/767
|| [[#t10:23|10:23]] 
|- id="t10:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | this is the ticket for resigning stuff for the intrusion, we'll talk about that as it's own topic in a moment.
|| [[#t10:23|10:23]] 
|- id="t10:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | .rel 832
|| [[#t10:23|10:23]] 
|- id="t10:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" |  zodbot
| style="color: #818144" | f13: #832 (spam-o-matic uses provides rather than package name in some instances) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/832
|| [[#t10:23|10:23]] 
|- id="t10:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | notting: this may interest you.
|| [[#t10:24|10:24]] 
|- id="t10:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | For a few days, there was a problem with some of the perl deps, and spam-o-matic was trying to mail &lt;dep&gt;-owner@fedoraproject.org rather than &lt;package&gt;-owner@fedoraproject.org
|| [[#t10:24|10:24]] 
|- id="t10:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I haven't looked at the code yet to see if I screwed up something when I started using foo-owner@ but we're obviously sending mail to the wrong place.
|| [[#t10:25|10:25]] 
|- id="t10:26"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" |  notting
| style="color: #4d4d93" | f13: yeah, on the todo list to look at... unfortunately, not sure when
|| [[#t10:26|10:26]] 
|- id="t10:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | same here, but I can probably look at it today
|| [[#t10:26|10:26]] 
|- id="t10:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | that's it for tickets of note.
|| [[#t10:27|10:27]] 
|- id="t10:28"
| colspan="2" | -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Releng - re-sign-o-rama
|| [[#t10:28|10:28]]
|- id="t10:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm mostly done with re-signing the 8 gold and 9 gold content.
|| [[#t10:28|10:28]] 
|- id="t10:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | the real fun is going to be mashing it out, and then putting it in the right place.
|| [[#t10:28|10:28]] 
|- id="t10:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | If we just put in a new Everything/&lt;arch&gt;.newkey/ directory, and have mirrormanager start pointing at it, that'll solve most of the problems.
|| [[#t10:29|10:29]] 
|- id="t10:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | people already installed will start getting the new content should they ever need it
|| [[#t10:29|10:29]] 
|- id="t10:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | the downside of this is that it would break jigdo
|| [[#t10:29|10:29]] 
|- id="t10:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | jigdo uses http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/os/ etc.. but also has Base-i386=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?path=pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/os/
|| [[#t10:31|10:31]] 
|- id="t10:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | the first would continue to work, (although we'd baloon up mirror space a bit since the content in 9/ would no longer be hardlinked to the content in Everything/), its the second that would fail.
|| [[#t10:32|10:32]] 
|- id="t10:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | actually wait
|| [[#t10:32|10:32]] 
|- id="t10:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | the second woudln't fail either.
|| [[#t10:32|10:32]] 
|- id="t10:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe this won't break jigdo at all, provided we keep the content around.
|| [[#t10:32|10:32]] 
|- id="t10:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | now that I've typed my way through it, I think we'll be safe to just drop in &lt;arch&gt;.newkey directories in the Everything/ locations, and eventually scrub out the Everything/&lt;arch&gt;/ directories.
|| [[#t10:34|10:34]] 
|- id="t10:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | if we leave the releases/ tree alone, jigdo will continue to work to produce isos that can be verified with the signed SHA1SUM file.
|| [[#t10:34|10:34]] 
|- id="t10:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | although we will be re-signing the SHA1SUM file with our new key, just for completion.
|| [[#t10:35|10:35]] 
|- id="t10:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | anybody else have any thoughts on the matter?
|| [[#t10:35|10:35]] 
|- id="t10:38"
| colspan="2" | * wwoods doesn't see any obvious problems
|| [[#t10:38|10:38]]
|- id="t10:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | great!
|| [[#t10:40|10:40]] 
|- id="t10:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | moving on.
|| [[#t10:40|10:40]] 
|- id="t10:40"
| colspan="2" | -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Releng - Snapshot 1
|| [[#t10:40|10:40]]
|- id="t10:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | We're on the hook to produce a snapshot this week.
|| [[#t10:40|10:40]] 
|- id="t10:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | Ideally it'll be split CDs and DVDs for each arch, as well as a set of live images
|| [[#t10:41|10:41]] 
|- id="t10:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | Primary distribution of the output will be bittorrent, although I'm also going to use alt.fedoraproject.org to offer direct downloads that coudl be mirrored by mirrors, should they chose
|| [[#t10:41|10:41]] 
|- id="t10:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | things aren't exactly looking so hot right now though for a snapshot
|| [[#t10:41|10:41]] 
|- id="t10:43"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" |  notting
| style="color: #4d4d93" | what's broken? (everything?)
|| [[#t10:43|10:43]] 
|- id="t10:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | installer has various issues, continued issues.
|| [[#t10:44|10:44]] 
|- id="t10:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | we haven't had a working anaconda since beta IIRC
|| [[#t10:44|10:44]] 
|- id="t10:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | live images are also suffering something, may be related to the same things anaconda are suffering from
|| [[#t10:44|10:44]] 
|- id="t10:45"
! style="background-color: #97974f" |  wwoods
| style="color: #97974f" | oh I dunno - right now the only issue I see is the hald bug
|| [[#t10:45|10:45]] 
|- id="t10:45"
! style="background-color: #97974f" |  wwoods
| style="color: #97974f" | there's another problem with today's rawhide, but that's already fixed by clumens
|| [[#t10:45|10:45]] 
|- id="t10:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: right, every day we get some things fixed with updates.img, but then the next day something else breaks
|| [[#t10:45|10:45]] 
|- id="t10:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway, I'm just a little worried about having something that'll work by then.
|| [[#t10:48|10:48]] 
|- id="t10:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | lots of other changes have been good in rawhide land, the desktop team have been going after polish issues, and I've scoured the blocker list to adjust it
|| [[#t10:49|10:49]] 
|- id="t10:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | although my work on the list was ruined by attaching the fails to build from source tracker to it
|| [[#t10:49|10:49]] 
|- id="t10:50"
! style="background-color: #97974f" |  wwoods
| style="color: #97974f" | heh. yeah, that one hurts
|| [[#t10:50|10:50]] 
|- id="t10:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm not 100% convinced that we'd block the release for those things.
|| [[#t10:51|10:51]] 
|- id="t10:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it should attach to Target instead
|| [[#t10:51|10:51]] 
|- id="t10:52"
! style="background-color: #97974f" |  wwoods
| style="color: #97974f" | package building / updating is under rel-eng, if you ask me
|| [[#t10:52|10:52]] 
|- id="t10:52"
! style="background-color: #97974f" |  wwoods
| style="color: #97974f" | so if you don't think we should block the release for that, feel free to move it
|| [[#t10:52|10:52]] 
|- id="t10:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | k.  I'll talk to mdomsch about it perhaps today
|| [[#t10:53|10:53]] 
|- id="t10:56"
| colspan="2" | -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - open flooor
|| [[#t10:56|10:56]]
|- id="t10:56"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" |  poelcat
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | f13: i opened a ticket for drafting the F11 schedule
|| [[#t10:56|10:56]] 
|- id="t10:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, closing the meeting.
|| [[#t10:56|10:56]] 
|- id="t10:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | poelcat: oh good
|| [[#t10:57|10:57]] 
|- id="t10:57"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" |  poelcat
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | and assigned it to me
|| [[#t10:57|10:57]] 
|- id="t10:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" |  f13
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, I gotta run and do some family stuff, thanks for the meeting folks.
|| [[#t10:58|10:58]] 
|}

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