| * notting is here
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13:13
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| f13
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ping: notting jwb lmacken wwoods rdieter poelcat spot warren
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13:13
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| * jwb is here
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13:13
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| * spot is here
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13:13
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| * poelcat here
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13:14
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| rdieter
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yo
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13:14
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| * lmacken is here
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13:14
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| * wwoods here
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13:14
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| f13
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neat.
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13:15
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| ::: f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - ALPHA!!!!
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13:15
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| f13
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so... last week sucked.
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13:15
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| f13
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multiple bugs found, and discovered as far back as the original freeze. Attempts to fix the bugs with newer trees brought in different bugs.
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13:16
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| jwb
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wait
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13:16
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| f13
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after a long weekend, I finally found a tree that seems to be "good enough"
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13:16
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| f13
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jwb: yes?
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13:16
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| jwb
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did you figure out what the differences were between your compose environment and the official one that caused the bugs to be missed?
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13:16
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| f13
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no.
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13:17
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| f13
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I also didn't spend a whole lot of time on it, particularly because I had to blow away both the local and the remote one due to space issues
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13:17
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| f13
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anyway, what we have now is an alpha tag (f11-alpha-2) that has the contents from rawhide-20090130 + a newer nfs-utils package.
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13:18
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| f13
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so far, all the tests I've done have passed, including the critical nfs, getting past iscsiadm errors in gui mode, and getting past timezone selection in gui mode.
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13:18
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| f13
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The two outstanding bugs that I'm aware of that will likely hit a lot of people is UUID/LABEL mounting of /, and vnc installs
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13:19
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| f13
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vnc seems to have stopped working somewhere between the initial freeze and now, however I'm willing to trade vnc for working nfs and graphical installs
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13:20
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| f13
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particularly because we don't actually know what fixed a few of these issues, so we don't know what we coudl cherry pick back to an older freeze target to avoid vnc breakage
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13:20
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| * warren here
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13:20
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| jwb
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f13, any chance to include the .73 kernel?
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13:21
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| f13
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I don't think so, unless we want to slip longer.
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13:22
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| f13
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Given where we are today, if the rest of our critical path tests complete OK, we could actually ship on Thursday
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13:22
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| f13
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meaning only a 2 day slip.
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13:22
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| * stickster reminds that Tuesday is usually the day for PR value
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13:22
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| f13
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that would mean releasing it to mirrors tomorrow, after I spend all day today staging bits around.
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13:22
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| f13
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stickster: Alpha is less of a PR target
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13:22
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| f13
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its not exactly suitable for press/reviews/masses, it's more of a reliable starting point for developers to get on the rawhide train
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13:23
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| stickster
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In one way, yes... the target audience is really people who want to test the raw bits like developers.
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13:23
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| f13
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very few features are functional, no artwork, lots of broken things, etc, etc, etc,...
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13:23
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| stickster
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However, we also have a mandate to get our features plenty of PR early on in the process.
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13:23
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| f13
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stickster: I'd happily trade 4 days of development time for some extra Alpha PR
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13:24
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| stickster
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Just wanted to make sure rel-eng was aware of that issue
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13:24
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| f13
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particularly because we asked for a full 6 month schedule so that we could avoid slips :/
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13:25
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| stickster
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But if the week translates into slip time, then frankly I'd rather just get Alpha out there.
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13:25
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| stickster
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I'd be much more concerned about the PR aspect were this the Beta.
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13:25
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| f13
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I would too
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13:25
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| f13
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but beta is a blocking freeze and we likely would have had more help finding issues
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13:25
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| * stickster nods and sits down
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13:26
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| wwoods
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I've got a fix for a ppc blocker that should be building shortly, but... I don't think we care about ppc that much
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13:26
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| f13
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wwoods: I still wasnt sure if we were producing ppc alpha images
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13:28
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| f13
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that's jwb's call
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13:28
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| jwb
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f13, if you can mash the buttons, we can produce them. rawhide install last week at least worked for some subset of PPC
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13:29
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| f13
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also on the very scary list, live images. I've been trying to find a tree to make real installs work, that I haven't produced live images in a while from a rc tree to test.
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13:29
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| * wwoods wondering about KVM status, reading scrollback
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13:30
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| f13
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wwoods: what's the nature of the blocker fix? (he asks has he watches the rest of the evening slip away)
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13:30
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| f13
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wwoods: all my kvm installs have gone fine
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13:30
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| jwb
|
f13, patching iprutils to not hang forever when iprdump starts
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13:30
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| wwoods
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f13: new iprutils package
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13:30
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| jwb
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i'm doing a local build here and i'll even test it
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13:30
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| jwb
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unless you already tested it wwoods ?
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13:31
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| wwoods
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yeah, I tested a build locally
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13:31
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| wwoods
|
WORKSFORME
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13:31
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| wwoods
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but I'd like confirmation, esp. with something built from koji
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13:31
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| jwb
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ok. then once this mockbuild finishes to make sure i didn't screw up something, i'll commit it and tag/build
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13:31
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| jwb
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will let you know when that is done
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13:31
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| f13
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what happens if we don't have this?
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13:32
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| jwb
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ppc hangs forever on start
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13:32
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| jwb
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because iprdump isn't running as a daemon
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13:32
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| wwoods
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and, for some reason, we install and run that on all ppc, regardless of whether they actually have the hardware
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13:33
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| wwoods
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or want dumping\
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13:33
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| f13
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did something recently change to cause it to start hanging?
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13:34
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| jwb
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unknown. lack of boot.iso for a while didn't help there
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13:35
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| f13
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is there an easy workaround for this?
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13:35
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| wwoods
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boot to runlevel 1, disable iprdump (or fix its initscript)
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13:36
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| jwb
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single user, chkconfig iprdump off
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13:36
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| f13
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hrm.
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13:36
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| jwb
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or do it via kickstart or someting
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13:36
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| f13
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iprutils is only ppc right?
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13:36
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| wwoods
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yep.
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13:36
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| f13
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I could just re-compose ppc with that build in, and not have to touch anything else.
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13:36
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| jwb
|
hm
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13:37
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| f13
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jwb: now you want a kernel too
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13:37
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| jwb
|
you are psychic
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13:37
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| jwb
|
the oopses appeared to be non-fatal
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13:38
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| wwoods
|
I'm not sure if I'd done any ppc installs before now, or if F10 installed iprutils
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13:38
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| jwb
|
we could likely live without the kernel bump, but i dunno
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13:38
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| f13
|
if it works to get to yum...
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13:38
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| jwb
|
it does
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13:39
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| jwb
|
well with the iprutils fix/workaround
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13:39
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| wwoods
|
I think probably I just hadn't done any ppc rawhide installs since iprdump got its new upstream (Nov. 21)
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13:39
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| f13
|
ok, no kernel for you
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13:39
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| jwb
|
iprutils is building in koji right now
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13:39
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| f13
|
ok.
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13:41
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| f13
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Proposal: re-spin ppc with new iprutils, no other changes.
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13:41
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| warren
|
I know nothing about this, so can't vote on it.
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13:42
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| notting
|
schedule impact is?
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13:42
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| f13
|
notting: it'll take about 40 minutes to respin ppc
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13:43
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| f13
|
no other arch needs to change
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13:43
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| f13
|
so no significant schedule impact.
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13:43
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| notting
|
then +1
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13:43
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| wwoods
|
hrm. my ppc DVD gave me the iscsi asplode
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13:44
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| wwoods
|
f13, are those images still syncing or something?
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13:44
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| wwoods
|
anyway, +1, since the fix is fairly obvious and the worst possible outcome is.. ppc still doesn't work right
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13:45
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| f13
|
wwoods: shouldn't be, what sha1 do you have?
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13:45
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| wwoods
|
much to the disappointment of all 9 users
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13:45
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| wwoods
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f13: hang on while I sha1 the DVD
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13:46
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| f13
|
7d769b9f52e4a70802bab5106f6aa7b480bd34c1 is what I have
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13:46
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| wwoods
|
it'd be quicker if you just gave me the timestamp from .discinfo
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13:48
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| wwoods
|
oh wait, it finished. yeah, that's the sha1 i have
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13:48
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| f13
|
that would involve loopback mounting and...
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13:48
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| f13
|
wwoods: thats.... unfortunate.
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13:48
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| f13
|
ppc work around, use text.
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13:49
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| jwb
|
vnc install worked for me friday
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13:49
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| wwoods
|
f13: alias discinfo='isoinfo -x /.discinfo -i'
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13:50
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| f13
|
ah
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13:50
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| f13
|
iso-info ?
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13:50
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| wwoods
|
discinfo ~/[wwoods@metroid devel]$ rpm -qf $(which isoinfo)
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13:51
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| wwoods
|
genisoimage-1.1.8-1.fc10.i386
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13:51
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| wwoods
|
blerg. you get the point
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13:51
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| wwoods
|
f13: ppc GUI was assumed to be a no-op anyway
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13:51
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| wwoods
|
I'll try vnc/TUI
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13:51
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| jwb
|
yes, agreed
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13:52
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| f13
|
-x isn't a valid option
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13:52
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| jwb
|
i don't even think i tried to boot into X on pc
|
13:52
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| jwb
|
er, ppc
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13:52
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| jwb
|
and when the GUI install tried, it vomited
|
13:52
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| wwoods
|
but I thought the iscsi "ValueError: need more than 0 values.." trace was gone
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13:52
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| jwb
|
presumably due to the SELinux thing
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13:52
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| * f13 wonders why we have iso-info and isoinfo
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13:52
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| f13
|
wwoods: no, those errors still happen, it's just not causing a traceback at least on i386/x86_64 gui
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13:53
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| f13
|
wwoods: we don't fully understand /why/ we were getting a trace there to begin with
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13:53
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| wwoods
|
yeah, isoinfo (from genisoimage) not iso-info (from libcdio)
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13:53
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| f13
|
stuuuupid
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13:53
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| f13
|
alright so we have a plan for ppc
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13:54
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| f13
|
I'm going to get on that, start making some jigdo images for the i386/x86_^4 trees and syncing them to the master mirror, so that I can clear up space to start making live images.
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13:54
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| f13
|
I'll get some live images staged for testing at some point today
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13:55
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| f13
|
Proposal: Finish testing current tree and live images, propose 2 day slip for alpha release on Thursday
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13:58
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| poelcat
|
f13: implied is that we hold to all other existing dates?
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13:59
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| f13
|
poelcat: yes.
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13:59
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| notting
|
meh. what are the chances we'll have to re-revise on testing?
|
13:59
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| f13
|
notting: the known problems are fixed, it's the unknown problems, but we're getting pretty past the usual install methods, into the realm of "would be nice, but meh"
|
13:59
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| notting
|
and, of course, the usual "how do we avoid this in the future?"
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14:00
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| notting
|
but that's a separate discussion. +1 to the proposal
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14:00
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| warren
|
just go ahead
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14:01
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| * poelcat +1
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14:01
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| f13
|
so I don't think there is a FESCo meeting before tuesday, question is how do we get an emergency vote?
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14:02
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| poelcat
|
f13: file a ticket?
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14:02
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| f13
|
probably, and send out an email
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14:02
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| bpepple
|
poelcat: yeah, that would probably be the best bet.
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14:02
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| jwb
|
do we have a majority here?
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14:03
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| jwb
|
nirik, jds2001, dwmw2, sharkcz, ping
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14:03
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| sharkcz
|
jwb: pong
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14:03
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| f13
|
ok, I"ll file the ticket.
|
14:03
|
| * nirik is around.
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14:03
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| ::: f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - open floor
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14:03
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| f13
|
any last minute items?
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14:04
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| * notting swaps hats, reiiterates his vote
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14:04
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| jwb
|
sharkcz, nevermind. i guess we're moving on :)
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14:04
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| dwmw2
|
jwb?
|
14:04
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| jwb
|
was going to see if we could call an emergency fesco vote, but *shrug*
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14:04
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| f13
|
jwb: I'm pretty sure ramming this through a sudden IRC vote will piss off at least 2 people.
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14:04
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| jwb
|
f13, name the 2
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14:04
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| poelcat
|
f13: gcc4.4 mass rebuild ... when do we need to plan that on the schedule?
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14:04
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| f13
|
poelcat: prior to beta.
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14:04
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| jwb
|
f13, and explain to me how they are involved in this in any manner
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14:04
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| warren
|
poelcat: still havent' decidded what the compiler flags and minimum arch will be
|
14:05
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| f13
|
poelcat: IIRC we're going to need a build for gcc4.4, rpm sha256, and font provides.
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14:05
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| jwb
|
warren, that can be changed later
|
14:05
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| notting
|
jwb: not after the mass rebuild
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14:05
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| f13
|
poelcat: they should all be done at the same time, rather than 3 different builds.
|
14:05
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| jwb
|
notting, oh, i misread
|
14:05
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| jwb
|
i thought it was jsut bringing gcc 4.4 in
|
14:05
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| poelcat
|
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/gcc4.4
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14:06
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| warren
|
jwb: part of the decision is to make the minimum arch i486 or i586 (as jakub suggested earlier) or maybe even i686
|
14:06
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| warren
|
jwb: so that's a pretty big deal that needs to be decided
|
14:06
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| jwb
|
yes yes, i'm aware of that. i said i misread
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14:06
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| poelcat
|
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ArchitectureSupport
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14:06
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| f13
|
ok, if there is nothing else, I'll close the meeting. Lots of work to do.
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14:12
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| f13
|
thanks all
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14:12
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