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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>Store SIG Meeting 2007-11-14</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.6 - 2007-10-30" /> </head> <body> <h1>Store SIG Meeting 2007-11-14</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, the first meeting of the Fedora Store SIG starts now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">who is around?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf gets in the rabble seats</td><td><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> ke4qqq</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">DavidNalley</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's do a quick roll call -- I'm MaxSpevack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">MichaelBeckwith</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JeffreyTadlock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">BartCouvreur</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Oh, cool! what a co-incidence :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">LaithJuwaidah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, if other people start following along, just say hello.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for anyone who hasn't seen it, this is the page that we have so far</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd like to start by spending a few minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">trying to define some SCOPE and some GOALS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the way I see it, there are a few main problems we need to solve</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in no particular order":</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(1) Making it easier for Ambassadors and Event Organizers to get swag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(2) Making it easier for people who just want a single tshirt or something like that to get it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(3) Making it as easy and automated as possible for designers to create new items</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(4) Not having to do any physical distribution ourselves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">any feedback?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* bpepple sits in the bleachers.</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: Will it ship everywhere?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Even to ME?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes. (5) being able to provide that service internationally, not just in the United States</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: where are you? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Oman</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i think we at least need a static portal page on fedoraproject.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">shows what is available</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and if anything, points you in the right direction to get it, whether a single user or ambassador</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so there are a few areas in which we can divide work up already, i think.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> ke4qqq</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I am not sure a single solution will work - seems like we discussed this a few years back about the costs involved in getting swag to EMEA ambassadors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">There's a front end like you suggest -- something that can be an initial point of contact for folks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and try to point them in the right direction</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and then there is the various backends -- places where orders can actually be made and processed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and populating those backends with actual product</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">... join!#fedora-mktg -> JonRob(n=jon@exhalls-4.ex.ac.uk)</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think that requirement #1 is that we (meaning Fedora) don't do any credit card processing, paypal processing, or actual production/delivery ourselves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Because the reason why this sort of stuff has always failed in the past is that it hasn't been sufficiently automated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">plus there are services that specialize in this area, and that's their whole reason for being</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So. I think that immediately we can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quality issue aside, cafepress has their own purpose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(1) start putting together ideas of what a "front page" will look like</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and (2) investigating various back-end ideas.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Let's talk about (1) for a moment.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Would someone like to volunteer to work with the fedora websites team and start putting together ideas of what a store.fedoraproject.org page could look like? not production-ready code, but mockups, ideas for content, etc.?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: I can TRY...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: let's brainstorm a little bit right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">ok...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'm sorta on that team, so could be a guide there too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i was thinking of something like thinkgeek's website</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">organization of the page would be a good thing to discuss</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">do we want to list the product one time and provide single as well as bulk order buttons?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: i think we need to be able to "feature" a few items, and also have clear pointers for people who are looking for bulk and also for one-offs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or would we want to seperate it by purpose: user vs ambassador</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">categories with a sample of the category, then, when clicked, a page opens with the items and their thumbnails</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: +1 -- i think the flow is different for "i need stuff for an event" versus "i just want 1 thing"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I see user needs and ambassadors needs as quite different.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> ke4qqq</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so do I</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">may be a what's new page too, that can be the main page, with the other pages accessed from a menu on the side</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: is it just a matter of getting stuff in bulk, or are there other differences?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Mainly the matter of getting items in bulk with little fuss.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> ke4qqq</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">spevack: there are other differences - like payment - arranging for international shipments to include the 'free media' letter, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">And even perhaps a more limited selections of swag that are good for handing out at events.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">And ideally you will sell to an Ambassador at the lowest price possible.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So we have (1) new/featured items, (2) a specific place for bulk purchases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">To facilitate having more swag to hand out or sell for a small mark up.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">or, we can make so that you choose the item, then, you get asked whether you want to order it for ambassador purposes or personal ones</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I would add to that (3) some way of knowing "what is available for reasonable shipping prices in my region"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i think the initial page should show new/featured items</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and then you have 2 main menu headings based on your needs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">click "User" and the list of available stuff shows</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, go KISS as the rest of the static websites</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">click "ambassador" and you get their list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><td class="other" colspan="2">... join!#fedora-mktg -> jmbuser(n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83)</td><td><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so ljuwiadah will you summarize some of these ideas in a note to the fedora-websites list, explain that we are trying to put together some mockup ideas, and see if any of the folks who are already familiar with the fp.o templates are willing to help out a little bit?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: sure :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And we can see what kind of response that gets at next week's meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: thank you!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ljuwiadah: I'll back you up then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: excellent</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so let's spend a few minutes now thinking about some of the backend.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because that is where I fear it gets a bit messy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i'm part of the team there as well and will support them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">now, I know that people have expressed concerns about CafePress</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">from a quality perspective</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but for the sake of argument, let's just assume them for a moment.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">tw2113, couf: cool!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">my question for backend is do we want to use a small handful of companies or try to find one to do it all?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Imagine a list of items -- some available on CafePress, which is good for US-based folks, and some available on some other store -- call it CafeEuro, which offers better shipping for european folks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need a way to help designers get different items populated into the different suppliers and producers of swag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I don't want to force the designers to have a bunch of different accounts, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So there are a few specific items here:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(1) We need to identify good producers in various geographies</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><td class="other" colspan="2">... join!#fedora-mktg -> sereinity(n=sereinit@mon69-3-82-235-39-70.fbx.proxad.net)</td><td><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(2) We need to have a team (one person or more) that helps be the intermediary between those stores and the designers.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">spevack: we can do like what amarok is doing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"><a href="http://amarok.kde.org/gear">http://amarok.kde.org/gear</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">interesting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i think it would be a good idea to have people go out and try to locate various distributors and bring a list of what was found to next week's meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">everyone go look at that link ^^^^^</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: i agree.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">tw2113: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and basically what we need to do is some of the grunt work and say "if you are trying to design something, here is what you need to provide for that item to go into multiple stores"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">make it as simple for the artists as possible so as to not waste their time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think that we should start by trying to identify producers in the US and the EU, since that is where our largest usage is based on the mirrorlist and bittorrent maps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And if we can solve those areas, then we can think about other regions.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">But we should do this in steps, so that we don't overwhelm ourselves.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i almost want to suggest just using REVELinux</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">which is where that link lead me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">"REVELinux Gear was started in 2004 as a way for us to promote and support Free and Open Source Software projects."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it looks like revelinux is the same as spreadshirt.net, which someone suggested on the list yesterday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">+1, they have everything, even thongs :P</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah the fedora-fr guys are using that right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">just a quick question, where will the money go?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: can you do some research into how customizable they are, "what happens to the money", and "how easy is it to do bulk orders at the lowest possible price"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because those are the main questions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, i can contact REVElinux</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tw2113: cool, thank you.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So I think that we've managed to put together a few action items here for this week -- I'd like to have another meeting next week at the same time, but hopefully we can get some discussion on the fedora-marketing-list this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and maybe have some progress.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">One other thought...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd like to have our goal be "an initial prototype up and running by December 4th"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">More from the ambassador side, and less applicable to the user side.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ljuwiadah</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Do we have a calendar for the meetings?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ljuwiadah: I will add it to the Store SIG page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">What about a list of distributors that can make our T-shirts, stickers and the ambassador can contact them directly.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for now, every wednesday at this time for 30 minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">For example, for OLF2006 I went through a local T-shirt shop. Great prices, high quality, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: yeah, that's an excellent idea.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">So we could list a handful of those for various regions. Create some sort of vendor relationship, so they have our logo and know how we like our T-shirts and stickers.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: we don't have a page like that anywhere already?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:27"><td class="other" colspan="2">... join!#fedora-mktg -> DavidsonPaulo(n=dpaulo@gtw.niteroi.unimed.com.br)</td><td><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I am not aware of one, I may have missed it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack cries</td><td><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: want to make one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">spevack: I could just be missing one.. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I can work on making one. I can post to the ambassador list to see who has been used in the past.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">by various people.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">iWolf: yeah, just throw up an initial page, add your stuff, and then send a note to ambassadors-list and people will fill it in. Try to sort it based on general geography</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So we have 3 action items from today:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">spevack: willdo.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(1) Contact websites list -- ljuwiadah </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(2) investigate revelinux -- tw2113 </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(3) companies that we have good relationships with page -- iWolf </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else? I'm trying to keep the meeting to 30 minutes, but we can keep chatting if folks want to.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">(4) look for possible online distributors that are hopefully not region dependent -- everyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack will post the IRC log to the SIG page, etc.</td><td><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> tw2113</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i have nothing else for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">sounds good to me.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thank you all for coming! I hope that as we make some progress, even more people will join. There were lots of names on the SIG page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">-------------- adjourned ---------------</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> </table> <div class="generatedby"> <p>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius Gedminas</a> - find it at <a href="http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/">mg.pov.lt</a>!</p> </div> </body> </html>