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== Linux vs. GNU/Linux ==
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Would be interesting for us the use of GNU/Linux terminology! (by rodrigop ):-)
 
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== Article name change ==
 
== Article name change ==
 
This article discusses the Fedora Project, so it seems like it should be renamed to "Fedora Project." I don't believe it's obvious that 'Overview' is referring to Fedora. [[User:Dafrito|Dafrito]] 12:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 
This article discusses the Fedora Project, so it seems like it should be renamed to "Fedora Project." I don't believe it's obvious that 'Overview' is referring to Fedora. [[User:Dafrito|Dafrito]] 12:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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=== Namespace collision ===
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There already was an article called [[Fedora Project]], I thought it was the configured [[Main Page]] for this wiki instance, but it's actually a redirect to [[Overview]].
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Where in the name are you concerned about this confusion?  When people search?  Or a link from somewhere?  I guess the idea is, overview is a term used to refer to an article or section of a document/site that gives a broad picture of what the topic.  Since this website is "fedoraproject.org" and it's the wiki for the Fedora Project, it ''should'' be clear that the [[Overview]] is about the Fedora Project.  Is there another topic you think this might be confused as an overview of?
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One thing we have avoided is to use the word 'Fedora' in an article title, since by it's nature ''every'' article on this wiki is about Fedora in some way.  So, even if we were to rename [[Overview]], it would properly be called [[The Project]] or something.  Maybe a longer name such as [[Overview of the project]]?  I might consider [[Overview of the Fedora Project]] not as a proper name but as a redirect.
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Any number of article names can be created as redirects so that people find them as search terms, either on the wiki or from a search engine.
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--[[User:Quaid|Quaid]] 19:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you for responding so quickly, Quaid.
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I agree that most articles should not contain 'Fedora'. After all, people know this is a Fedora wiki, so they assume articles like [[Packages]] and [[Releases]] will be talking about Fedora-related information. I think that, if it's included, "Fedora" implies a proper noun. I also agree that from a web search, or by viewing the page title, there's no confusion. After all, both show it as "Overview - FedoraProject".
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If I'm navigating through the wiki, though, I find my way with article titles. I have the expectation that the article title will summarize the content of a given article. However, when I operate on that assumption, I am initially uncertain what "Overview" is. I have to think about the title, look at the table of contents or the content, and then realize the article was an overview of the Fedora project.
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The article title made me think. It didn't make me think hard, or even think for a long time. But it did make me think. This may seem trivial, but I believe it's a usability issue. This violation is made worse since the article is typically linked to via a pipe, like "<nowiki>the [[Fedora project|Overview]]</nowiki>." The article's title ends up being less specific than the text.
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All in all, it took me about a second to figure out the title, and if it was a plain website, there'd be no problem. I think people expect the Fedora wiki to behave like a wiki.
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--[[User:Dafrito|Dafrito]] 21:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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[edit] Linux vs. GNU/Linux

Would be interesting for us the use of GNU/Linux terminology! (by rodrigop ):-)


As Paul said, it's unuseful to rehash this old debate... people commonly call our beloved operative system LINUX ... There's an ethical limit... I know.. but I think it would be better to "waste" our time to enhance Fedora and the community instead of debating the name.... FIRST features.... :-) --Carloraudino 21:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article name change

This article discusses the Fedora Project, so it seems like it should be renamed to "Fedora Project." I don't believe it's obvious that 'Overview' is referring to Fedora. Dafrito 12:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Namespace collision

There already was an article called Fedora Project, I thought it was the configured Main Page for this wiki instance, but it's actually a redirect to Overview.

Where in the name are you concerned about this confusion? When people search? Or a link from somewhere? I guess the idea is, overview is a term used to refer to an article or section of a document/site that gives a broad picture of what the topic. Since this website is "fedoraproject.org" and it's the wiki for the Fedora Project, it should be clear that the Overview is about the Fedora Project. Is there another topic you think this might be confused as an overview of?

One thing we have avoided is to use the word 'Fedora' in an article title, since by it's nature every article on this wiki is about Fedora in some way. So, even if we were to rename Overview, it would properly be called The Project or something. Maybe a longer name such as Overview of the project? I might consider Overview of the Fedora Project not as a proper name but as a redirect.

Any number of article names can be created as redirects so that people find them as search terms, either on the wiki or from a search engine.

--Quaid 19:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for responding so quickly, Quaid.

I agree that most articles should not contain 'Fedora'. After all, people know this is a Fedora wiki, so they assume articles like Packages and Releases will be talking about Fedora-related information. I think that, if it's included, "Fedora" implies a proper noun. I also agree that from a web search, or by viewing the page title, there's no confusion. After all, both show it as "Overview - FedoraProject".

If I'm navigating through the wiki, though, I find my way with article titles. I have the expectation that the article title will summarize the content of a given article. However, when I operate on that assumption, I am initially uncertain what "Overview" is. I have to think about the title, look at the table of contents or the content, and then realize the article was an overview of the Fedora project.

The article title made me think. It didn't make me think hard, or even think for a long time. But it did make me think. This may seem trivial, but I believe it's a usability issue. This violation is made worse since the article is typically linked to via a pipe, like "the [[Fedora project|Overview]]." The article's title ends up being less specific than the text.

All in all, it took me about a second to figure out the title, and if it was a plain website, there'd be no problem. I think people expect the Fedora wiki to behave like a wiki.

--Dafrito 21:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)