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quaid<meeting><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a>
-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo hangin' out -- roll call and opening number<a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a>
quaidKarstenWade, estoy aqui<a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a>
* stickster present and accounted for<a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a>
* couf <a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a>
jsmithJaredSmith... estoy aqui tambien<a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a>
jsmith(Well, for various definitions of "here")<a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a>
quaidok, I have weird networking stuff but this ssh seems ok, so ...<a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a>
* jsmith twiddles the bits on quaid's router<a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a>
-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo talking -- Elections<a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a>
sticksterAh, elections.<a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a>
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* stickster hopes quaid didn't disappera<a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a>
quaidno, I'm here<a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a>
sticksterFrom the Spanish for "disappear."  (apologies.0<a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a>
quaidI want to troubleshoot but then I'd drop<a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a>
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quaidok, anyway<a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a>
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quaidI'm beginning to feel like we have too many elections around here :)<a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a>
-!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 100 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 99 normal]<a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a>
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coufI second that<a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a>
quaidand I'm a bit unclear if we have achieved the steps to setup a new Chair around here.<a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a>
quaidso I'm open for discussion on the topic in that vein and others<a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a>
coufunfortunately the new-to-be chair isn't around :-/<a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a>
sticksterYeah, it's difficult to have this conversation without him<a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a>
quaidok<a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a>
sticksterHas anyone thought about Docs in light of Jef Spaleta's role-based SIG idea, and whether we might actually enjoy *better* success -- and a better ruler against which to measure ourselves -- as a SIG?<a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a>
sticksterThat could be total crazy talk.<a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a>
quaidstickster: um, see ...<a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a>
quaidthat is crazy talk<a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a>
sticksterOK<a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a>
quaidDocs is a clear example of a subproject<a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a>
quaidin the role-based SIG world<a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a>
quaidthere would be a Documentor in each SIG focused on that SIG content<a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a>
quaidand that person is *also* a memmber of the Docs Project (Subproj)<a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a>
quaidmake sense?<a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a>
Southern_Gentlemor should be<a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a>
quaidthat said, we were discussing governance here a few hours ago, and Jeff didn't even know that we require elections for Projects<a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a>
quaidSouthern_Gentlem: refer to "in the role-based SIG world"<a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a>
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coufso basiclly we would be a resource subproject working for the SIGs?<a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a>
quaidthat's basically it<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
sticksterWell, I think what quaid is saying is that we'd "embed" with them<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
sticksterIs that a good characterization of it?<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
quaidsure<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
* couf tries to get the whole role-based SIG concept here<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
coufright, gotcha<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
quaidthe idea is to get people working on what interests them<a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a>
quaidand filling roles there more than "packaging"<a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a>
couf+1<a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a>
quaidso, elections and governance ...<a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a>
quaidon-list?<a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a>
quaidmove to, that is<a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a>
stickster+1<a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a>
coufmaybe, but we *should* get a clear POV from John, personal mail could help<a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a>
coufjust to make sure we don't keep pushing this back<a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a>
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Southern_Gentlemwhat can be done to lower the barriers for people to get involved in the docs project<a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a>
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jmbuserJohnBabich late<a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a>
Southern_Gentlemsome people see it a litte extreme to have to get on cvs just to get a tutorial on how to do docs<a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a>
sticksterSouthern_Gentlem: You missed last week's meeting :-)<a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a>
sticksterjmbuser! hi!<a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a>
quaidhey jmbuser <a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
jmbuserquaid: hey<a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
quaidwe're discussing governance<a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
jmbuserstickster: hi<a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
jmbusercarry on...<a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
sticksterSouthern_Gentlem: <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html</a><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
quaiddo we need elections, etc.<a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a>
quaidthis often, etc.<a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a>
quaidI still think it might be an on list discussion<a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a>
quaidto have.<a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a>
sticksterMe sees that 20 minutes have gone by one topic, and not much said about it. Sounds like a clear "silence gives consent" for the ML.<a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a>
quaidright on<a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a>
jmbuser+1<a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a>
quaidelections discussion on list etc.<a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a>
lfoppianoHi all, sry fro delay....<a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a>
lfoppiano*for<a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a>
-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chilling -- Relnotes, Guides, other content<a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a>
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lfoppianouhm...I lost elections... .-/<a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a>
lfoppiano:s/lost/miss/g<a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a>
quaidlfoppiano: we're moving the topic to the mailing list<a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a>
quaidok, wsa there something to sayabout the relnotes?<a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a>
* quaid hsa to be excused for typos, bad connetion, no tim e to edit<a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a>
lfoppianono<a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a>
stickstermdious has been keeping up with these, and we should have a new package rolled later in the week<a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a>
coufmdious has been syncing in the last bits<a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a>
sticksterOr maybe weekend<a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a>
quaidok, UG and other end-user content is second priority after Fedora contributor-oriented content<a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a>
quaidI created <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport</a> <a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a>
quaidjust so we can track who is "embedded" where<a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a>
quaidnote that Docs is supporting any contributor area, SIG and subproject alike; just put it all on that one page for now.<a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a>
coufdo we want to formalize a process for these guys, and join-pages updates etc<a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a>
* stickster has to make a call, will continue lurking here<a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a>
quaidcouf: we could; we also need to talk to the various grops and see what they want to do<a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a>
quaidcan someone add JohnStanley to that page as writing for BugTriage?<a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a>
coufsure<a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a>
coufthat is if the wiki wants to let me<a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a>
quaidit'll be better than what I have right now<a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a>
* couf can't wait next weeks move<a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a>
quaidso, update on that<a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a>
quaidwe are doing a premigration on the 23rd<a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a>
quaid(barring problems)<a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a>
quaidthen doing a re-import of what has changed from 23 to 27 on the 27th<a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a>
quaidthat way we have some days to get things nicer before the actual migration is called<a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a>
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quaidthe old wiki will be up for some time in read-only, hidden from search engines mode<a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a>
coufwow, fast save for slow wiki<a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a>
quaidok, so then the next thing is ...<a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a>
quaidwe need to tell folks that Docs is here to help them solve their internal docs problems<a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a>
quaidmaybe just make the GIG a first output along those lines<a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a>
quaidso, let's add to that SIGSupport page a link to the section in the GIG that corresponds, so we can have the same people own that content creation<a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a>
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couf+1<a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a>
jmbuser+1<a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a>
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* jmbuser makes slowest response in Fedora meeting history<a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a>
* quaid is still waiting for his last typing to appear on the screen<a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a>
quaidoh, wait, it did<a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a>
quaidok, then ...<a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a>
coufso shall we first get some basic "this is how you join Fedora"-instructions into the GIG, then spread the new mantra/offering to the world, and move on?<a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a>
quaidcouf: well, those are already there; GIG can have that, but should focus more on the SIGs/Subprojects<a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a>
quaidoh<a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a>
quaidyou mean<a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a>
quaidwrite that in first, stub out the pages, then announce, "come and fill and get some help with your contrib docs"?<a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a>
* quaid sniffs a possible plan<a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a>
coufyeah<a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a>
quaid+1<a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a>
jmbusercool<a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a>
quaidanyone feel they have the time to focus on the GIG to make that happen in a short timeframe?<a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a>
coufI could have a stab at it<a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a>
quaidcoo' couf<a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a>
quaidAction: couf stab at GIG basic intro/join Fedora<a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a>
coufcheck<a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a>
quaidAction: then we send out announcements about the change in Docs focus/role<a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a>
quaidAction: meanwhile, feel free to blog about it at some point :)<a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a>
* jmbuser needs to start blogging again<a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a>
quaidword<a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a>
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quaidget addicted!<a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a>
quaidok, anything more on this topic?<a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a>
* quaid adds some more actionnotes<a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a>
quaidAction: election and governance to the list<a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a>
quaidany other ones I missed?<a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a>
coufnot that I know off<a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a>
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quaidten minutes to go and the flo' is open<a href="#t12:51" class="time">12:51</a>
couftime frame on cvs kill?<a href="#t12:51" class="time">12:51</a>
quaidhmm<a href="#t12:52" class="time">12:52</a>
quaidreality? F10 or later because of content actively in there, right?<a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a>
quaidwe are maintaining docs back to F8<a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a>
quaidso we might need it opened until F9 EOLs<a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a>
quaidthat said!<a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a>
coufah right gpl and all that<a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a>
quaidwe can move on from here, migrate guides for new work in to fedorahosted.org<a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a>
quaidcouf: also, it works to build from there for those versions, why risk a move?  it will be for maintainers only at that point anyway<a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a>
quaidthat's my off-the-cuff assessment<a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a>
coufsure :)<a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a>
quaidI'd say, any guides we want to publish for F9+ should get a stand alone fedorahosted.org project, SCM of choice, and rock on<a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a>
quaidnot sure if we have to update any part of bugzilla there or not<a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a>
coufand toolchain needs to get in there too<a href="#t12:56" class="time">12:56</a>
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coufso I might try that after the GIG stuff<a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a>
quaidaye, that's true<a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a>
coufas part of my will to work on the toolchain<a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a>
quaidok, that's about it<a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a>
quaidanything else for today?<a href="#t12:58" class="time">12:58</a>
quaidI'ma closin'<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
couf+1<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid30<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid~~ time warp ~~<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid5<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid4<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid3<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid2<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid1<a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>
quaid</meeting><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a>