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|- id="tFeb 10 07:00:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | who is here?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:00:59|Feb 10 07:00]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:06"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | fnaarrrrglllle
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:06|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: hi
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:16|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | jds2001: mcepl ping
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:26|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:28"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | kruzzzzpppg
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:28|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | pon
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:31|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | g
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:32|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | who else are we missing?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:40|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:42"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | i'm sorry, if you wanted awake AND coherent it should've been specified on the invite
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:42|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:01:43"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:01:43|Feb 10 07:01]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:02:26"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | fcami?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:02:26|Feb 10 07:02]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:03:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | last week we created a component list of packages to target for F11
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:03:23|Feb 10 07:03]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:03:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | are there any more thoughts about this?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:03:36|Feb 10 07:03]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:04:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | i also moved that information to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/ActiveTriagers
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:04:08|Feb 10 07:04]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:04:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | is that the most appropriate place for it, btw?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:04:29|Feb 10 07:04]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:04:34"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | it doesn't feel...intuitive
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:04:34|Feb 10 07:04]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:04:56"
| colspan="2" | *poelcat always open to better ideas :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:04:56|Feb 10 07:04]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:05:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | oh, well-played :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:05:11|Feb 10 07:05]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:05:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | in my wiki travels i recently came across https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:05:41|Feb 10 07:05]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:06:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | which i think might detract from our current plan
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:06:12|Feb 10 07:06]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:06:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | i'm not sure how that page came to be
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:06:57|Feb 10 07:06]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | two things i always look at in this case:
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:11|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | What Links Here
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:13|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:16"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | (answer - nothing)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:16|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:17"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | history
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:17|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | (answer - two tiny changes since it was imported from old wiki)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:29|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | while we are still in IRC, me and fcami slightly edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Tools -- I think https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2933 should be a thing every bug triager has installed
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:38|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:07:55"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | conclusion: if you killed it, quite probably no-one would know
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:07:55|Feb 10 07:07]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:08:29"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | the wiki admin would know =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:08:29|Feb 10 07:08]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:08:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | moreover, the bottom of the page seems to indicate that it was supposed to be regenerated anyway. Let's save the script somewhere and kill this page
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:08:34|Feb 10 07:08]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:09:25"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: hehe.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:09:25|Feb 10 07:09]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:09:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: how can we tell what links to it?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:09:25|Feb 10 07:09]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:09:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | mcepl: +1
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:09:28|Feb 10 07:09]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:09:34"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | poelcat: there's a 'what links here' link in the left sidebar
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:09:34|Feb 10 07:09]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:09:44"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | poelcat: always is in wikis, it's part of mediawiki
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:09:44|Feb 10 07:09]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:09:58"
| colspan="2" | *poelcat learns a new trick :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:09:58|Feb 10 07:09]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:10:05"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | doesn't tell you what *external* pages link to it, but it's usually a helpful indicator of whether the page is actually really important
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:10:05|Feb 10 07:10]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:10:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | so what is the right way to kill this page?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:10:42|Feb 10 07:10]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:10:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | IOW we can't delete it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:10:52|Feb 10 07:10]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:11:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | that has to be done by a wiki admin
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:11:08|Feb 10 07:11]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:11:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | you can only set it for delete
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:11:17|Feb 10 07:11]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:11:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: saved on my page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mcepl
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:11:31|Feb 10 07:11]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:11:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | or we could create a redirect to ActiveTriagers
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:11:33|Feb 10 07:11]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:12:00"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | I don't think a blind redirect would be appropriate in this case, again since ActiveTriagers doesn't really map perfectly to 'components'
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:12:00|Feb 10 07:12]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:12:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | maybe a short sentence which explains the situation and links there?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:12:15|Feb 10 07:12]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:12:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | hey, what about we add the key components to this page?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:12:35|Feb 10 07:12]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:12:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | the ones we decided from last week?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:12:46|Feb 10 07:12]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:12:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | actually there is link to Components on ActiveTriagers page
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:12:50|Feb 10 07:12]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:12:54"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | heh
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:12:54|Feb 10 07:12]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:13:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-Feb-03
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:13:05|Feb 10 07:13]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:14:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | well, just make that the page for the current component list and take it out of activetriagers?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:14:11|Feb 10 07:14]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:14:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | yes, brilliant :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:14:38|Feb 10 07:14]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:15:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: does that then make activetriagers page more focused?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:15:03|Feb 10 07:15]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:15:08"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | yes, it would
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:15:08|Feb 10 07:15]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:15:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | the power of collaboration :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:15:20|Feb 10 07:15]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:15:26"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | you can still leave the 'component' bit in the active triager table, too, since you don't really need to see the list to understand it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:15:26|Feb 10 07:15]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:15:37"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | and if you do want to see the list it's only a click away...
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:15:37|Feb 10 07:15]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:15:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | who would like to make the changes?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:15:42|Feb 10 07:15]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:16:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I will =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:16:11|Feb 10 07:16]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:16:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: thanks!
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:16:35|Feb 10 07:16]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:17:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | for the past few weeks i've been urging us to get some goals in place for F11
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:17:23|Feb 10 07:17]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:17:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | how do people feel about the direction we are heading?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:17:32|Feb 10 07:17]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:18:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | concerned
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:18:23|Feb 10 07:18]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:18:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: talk to us :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:18:51|Feb 10 07:18]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:18:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | well, over the weekend I finally got on the top of my work bugs (no NEW and no old NEEDINFO bugs), so now I am more open to actually make number of bugs smaller; I think we can do something useable -- it won't so glorious as we would like to have it, but given our numbers I cannot expect much more
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:18:57|Feb 10 07:18]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:19:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | if you want one word, then it is ... challenging; which is both good and bad
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:19:16|Feb 10 07:19]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:20:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: did you want to expound on that?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:20:46|Feb 10 07:20]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:20:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | my thoughts are what are we doing here, how are we making an impact. What is our primary goal
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:20:50|Feb 10 07:20]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:20:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes sorry
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:20:54|Feb 10 07:20]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:21:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | since I;ve joined the zappers
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:21:09|Feb 10 07:21]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:21:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I've felt like I am on my own
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:21:23|Feb 10 07:21]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:21:31"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | in everything
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:21:31|Feb 10 07:21]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:22:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we are all doing our own thing
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:22:03|Feb 10 07:22]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:22:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yet not really a team
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:22:09|Feb 10 07:22]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:22:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I am still not sure what are primary objetive is
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:22:32|Feb 10 07:22]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:22:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | and how that benifits the project
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:22:54|Feb 10 07:22]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:23:24"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | I agree with tk009 about the team part, I also wonder what we have really done to set reasonable goals, I think we have missed everyone we set last year
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:23:24|Feb 10 07:23]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:23:33"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | so, on the wiki it says: "Our primary mission is to track down and shoot Fedora bugs in bugzilla.redhat.com . We also strive to be a bridge between users and developers that aids in fixing and closing bugs" - you feel that's...too vague? not helpful?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:23:33|Feb 10 07:23]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:23:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I made my own goal as it looked like we would never come agreement on what that is
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:23:40|Feb 10 07:23]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:23:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes adam I do
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:23:46|Feb 10 07:23]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:23:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: OK, so what's your goal?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:23:57|Feb 10 07:23]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we dont "shoot" bugs
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:01|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | 400 bugs this dev cycle
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:13|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:21"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | get one persoin to join the project
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:21|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I can do both alone without direction
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:34|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:37"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | 400 - triaged? closed?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:37|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | triaged
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:43|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:45"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | ok.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:45|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:52"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | closed is not something i could do
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:52|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:54|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:24:54"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:24:54|Feb 10 07:24]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | (most of them time, that is)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:02|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:11"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | If I can get a feel for what type goals people want to set, I can tweak my traige metrics app to track them better
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:11|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | comp
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:23|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | on that note
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:25|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | how soe could that be in place?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:33|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I would love to see the nubers
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:41|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:42"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | (which should be alpha this weekend)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:42|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:55"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: poelcat said last week's meeting was on setting goals - were you here for that? did you feel that still useful and agreed goals weren't put in place?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:55|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: comphappy i agree w/ what you are saying re: being a team... how can we change that?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:57|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:25:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | sorry my m key doesnt like me
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:25:58|Feb 10 07:25]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:26:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I not sure I want to say this as it might not be understood
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:26:35|Feb 10 07:26]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:26:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: i think tk009 is pointing to how slow the process is going
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:26:36|Feb 10 07:26]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:26:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we need a strong leader
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:26:39|Feb 10 07:26]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:26:47"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | poelcat: somewhat unified goal, even a time where we all try to work at the same time would help
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:26:47|Feb 10 07:26]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:26:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I know we are all equal here, however
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:26:54|Feb 10 07:26]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:27:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | there is a time to get things done
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:27:01|Feb 10 07:27]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:27:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | and we seem to be letting it slip by
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:27:12|Feb 10 07:27]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:27:18"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | comphappy: i like the 'time when we all try to work together' idea - it may get more people in irc too
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:27:18|Feb 10 07:27]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:27:46"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | I think part of it also is many of the people in bugzappers are also part of other teams, or have other commitments
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:27:46|Feb 10 07:27]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:27:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:27:54|Feb 10 07:27]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:27:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | that is an issue
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:27:58|Feb 10 07:27]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yet it shouldnt hold us back
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:07|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:19"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we are letting it is all
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:19|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | long ago some of us tried to orgainzie "bug days"... they were not usually well attended
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:37|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:45"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | how long did you try?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:45|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | is that something that could build a little team spirit?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:46|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes I read that
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:49|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:28:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes I think so
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:28:59|Feb 10 07:28]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:29:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | jsut like us talking more brings us together
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:29:07|Feb 10 07:29]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:29:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | i think we tried them monthly somewhat inconsistently
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:29:12|Feb 10 07:29]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:29:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | That might be something worth trying
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:29:23|Feb 10 07:29]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:29:36"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | i'd say it should be weekly, and consistent
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:29:36|Feb 10 07:29]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:29:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | but they could be like some of our meetings here... me talking to myself :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:29:46|Feb 10 07:29]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:29:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: I think we should restart with understanding that first couple of times (10 or so) we would be the only attendees.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:29:49|Feb 10 07:29]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:30:00"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | just as a time when everyone in the group gets together and works together, as comphappy suggested
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:30:00|Feb 10 07:30]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:30:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | mcepl: exactly - you've got to stick at things like that even when they don't seem to be working
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:30:13|Feb 10 07:30]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:30:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: well, after some time talking to yourself you have now whole five people or so
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:30:20|Feb 10 07:30]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:06"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | look at it this way - if you're there, and you declare the official Start of Bug Day and work on a few bugs, and no-one shows up, what've you lost? nothing, really. the time it took to type the 'we're starting now' message. the work you did is still useful
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:06|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:07|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | so it costs nothing to keep showing up and trying
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:11|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:12"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | well it looks like there are some good ideas flowing here, sorry I have to go... I will keep people posted when I get the metrics TB app out the door
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:12|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | poelcat: I dont like you are the lead here. if yo uare not here we dont even meet
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:22|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | thanks comphappy
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:28|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: ?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:52|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:31:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we should meet even if there are only two of us here
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:31:55|Feb 10 07:31]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:32:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we depend on you to much
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:32:12|Feb 10 07:32]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:32:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: actually, this is my fault -- I should be able to step to poelcat's shoes when necessary.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:32:12|Feb 10 07:32]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:32:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yes, but it gets old after a while and then when other things compete for your time it gets harder and harder to stay motivated
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:32:41|Feb 10 07:32]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:32:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | it would be nice to have someone not redhat.com who felt able to run meetings if no-one showed up
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:32:46|Feb 10 07:32]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:32:56"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | er, no-one redhat.com i mean
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:32:56|Feb 10 07:32]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:32:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:32:59|Feb 10 07:32]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:33:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | that is so what I want
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:33:04|Feb 10 07:33]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:33:32"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | poelcat: true, I know what you mean :\ but i think it is important to try for a while at least...
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:33:32|Feb 10 07:33]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:34:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | the people here now are not going anywhere
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:34:03|Feb 10 07:34]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:34:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we will be here even in the "suck" times
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:34:17|Feb 10 07:34]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:34:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | poelcat: the core you wanted to build is here
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:34:53|Feb 10 07:34]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:34:53"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: so, I want to get a feel - say you come in for a meeting, poelcat and mcepl aren't here, but you and a couple other guys are
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:34:53|Feb 10 07:34]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:34:55"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | what happens?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:34:55|Feb 10 07:34]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:35:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I hold the meeting
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:35:04|Feb 10 07:35]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:35:09"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | i mean, at present
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:35:09|Feb 10 07:35]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:35:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:35:09|Feb 10 07:35]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:35:52"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | ada < iam new so I will make mistakes, I wont however stop trying
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:35:52|Feb 10 07:35]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:36:07"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: that's awesome, i think it's totally the right way to go
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:36:07|Feb 10 07:36]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:36:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | well, it would be helpful to have more agreed upon agendas in advance. So far in the last couple of meetings we concluded with some overview of what's expected for the next meeting; I would be glad if we were able to be consistent with this
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:36:11|Feb 10 07:36]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:36:56"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | right - perhaps the Meetings page could list upcoming meetings as well as minutes for past meetings
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:36:56|Feb 10 07:36]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:37:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | and have the agenda there
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:37:11|Feb 10 07:37]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:37:31"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I would rather we make decisions in the time we have. it shouldnt take 4 meeting to get going
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:37:31|Feb 10 07:37]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:37:31"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | that would help in the case that the expected moderator doesn't show up
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:37:31|Feb 10 07:37]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:37:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | moreover, I think there is a good way in one-to-one mentoring -- I talk with fcami anytime (mostly on Saturday nights ;-)) so I feel I could help him in mentoring. For any newbies, catch somebody more experienced!!!
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:37:33|Feb 10 07:37]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:38:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: good point, we're talking about talking here...should we get back to your problem with goals and team spirit?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:38:10|Feb 10 07:38]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:38:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | no
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:38:28|Feb 10 07:38]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:38:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we should make you goal
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:38:34|Feb 10 07:38]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:38:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | that is most important right now
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:38:43|Feb 10 07:38]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:38:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | our=you
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:38:50|Feb 10 07:38]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:38:53"
| colspan="2" | *jds2001 here, very late
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:38:53|Feb 10 07:38]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:39:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | welcome jds =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:39:09|Feb 10 07:39]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:39:16"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | poelcat: what was decided last week about goals?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:39:16|Feb 10 07:39]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:39:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: we mostly arrived at a component list
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:39:32|Feb 10 07:39]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:39:55"
| colspan="2" | *poelcat is still holding out for a list of 2 or 3 tangible things we can say we are going to do for F11
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:39:55|Feb 10 07:39]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:01"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | OK, so the thing about focusing on that restricted list of components...which is useful but not a goal exactly...
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:01|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | and then really do them... IOW earn some credibility :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:05|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | well that sounds like what tk009 wants too
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:10|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: correct, it was a narrowing process from
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:20|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I chose my component as packagekit
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:34|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I contacted the dev
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:39|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:40:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | he knows I will be working on his stuff
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:40:48|Feb 10 07:40]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:41:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: what's wrong with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/ActiveTriagers
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:41:11|Feb 10 07:41]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:41:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | ?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:41:13|Feb 10 07:41]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:41:31"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | its in transition
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:41:31|Feb 10 07:41]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:41:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | mcepl: at the end of F11 how will people look at that page and know that the BugZappers delivered for F11 ?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:41:50|Feb 10 07:41]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:42:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | mcepl: i think getting to the list of components was a good milestone, but we still need to say what we are going to deliver
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:42:40|Feb 10 07:42]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:42:42"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | i'm just playing with bugzilla btw
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:42:42|Feb 10 07:42]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:42:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | trying to come up with something that could help with goals
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:42:48|Feb 10 07:42]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:43:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: no NEW Rawhide bug in that component, no duplicate bug, and no old NEEDINFO (i.e., older than 30 days). All blocking bugs block F11{Target,Blocker}
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:43:36|Feb 10 07:43]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:43:42"
| colspan="2" | *poelcat is open to other ideas, but I keep coming back to the thought that the best way to show that we are relevant to the project and that we are helping is to explicitly say what we are going to do and then do it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:43:42|Feb 10 07:43]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:44:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | if I ran this meeting off course sorry
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:44:13|Feb 10 07:44]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:44:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: it needed to be said and I'm glad you said it :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:44:50|Feb 10 07:44]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:44:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | damn. i don't know if the bugzilla report function is broken or i'm just using it wrong...
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:44:51|Feb 10 07:44]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:45:19"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jds2001
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: i use it somewhat frequently
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:45:19|Feb 10 07:45]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:45:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | i think the other thing that could really help us is continuing this conversation and ones like it on fedora-test-list
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:45:36|Feb 10 07:45]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:45:51"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jds2001
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: it is somewhat broken - in that if you click on a link in a report, you might not get to the set of bugs purportedly represented by that link :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:45:51|Feb 10 07:45]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:45:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | our progress has been slow because we only talk here, once a week for an hour
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:45:54|Feb 10 07:45]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:45:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | jds2001: ah. i must be using it wrong then. well, my idea is - it's actually quite easy (if you're not a 7am idiot like me) to generate little graphs of how many bugs are in what state
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:45:59|Feb 10 07:45]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | agree poelcat
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:12|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | which would be a good way to get a concrete feel for what's actually going on in triage
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:21|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I dont like the lists but the yare what we have
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:23|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:32"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jds2001
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: i generate tabular reports and then use something else for pretty graphs :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:32|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:41"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | jds2001: do you put it up anywhere?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:41|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: might be handy http://tinyurl.com/4cavl2
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:58|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:46:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | i was thinking that it would be a good idea to just look at how many bugs are being triaged (which should be pretty easy to ballpark)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:46:59|Feb 10 07:46]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:07"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jds2001
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | nope, just do it mostly adhoc
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:07|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:20"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | and that immediately gives a feel for what kind of an impact triage is having, and you can set goals based on it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:20|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | would someone be willing to summarize the key issues we've discussed here and start a mail thread
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:40|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:45"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: what do you think?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:45|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | on fedora-test-list?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:45|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:53|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:47:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | and yes
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:47:55|Feb 10 07:47]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:48:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | we've only got a few minutes left today
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:48:01|Feb 10 07:48]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:48:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | we need to keep discussing on the list or we'll be right back at the same place next week
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:48:23|Feb 10 07:48]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:48:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: that's not correct -- I am always (whenever I am awake and on IRC) present on #fedora-bugzappers and try to help there.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:48:25|Feb 10 07:48]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:48:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rdieter
| style="color: #4b904b" | you folks about done? was planning on a kde sig meeting here in a bit. :) (if not, we can go elsewhere)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:48:46|Feb 10 07:48]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | don't we have 12 minutes to go?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:04|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we will some brother
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:07|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | rdieter: we'll be done by top of the hour
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:07|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | mcepl: yes, but the discussions die until I revive them at the next meeting :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:27|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:27"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | my typing is so bad today
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:27|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:37"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rdieter
| style="color: #4b904b" | oops, sorry, my clock was fast.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:37|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:39"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: so, apart from a simple metric on number or %age of bugs triaged - are there any other goals you think should be set?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:39|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:49:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | we will continue this on the list
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:49:39|Feb 10 07:49]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:50:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | to make poelcat happy I think we should add to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/ActiveTriagers rule that each of these components should be fully triaged -- i.e., ... (the list is above :43).
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:50:43|Feb 10 07:50]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:50:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I have ideas how the bugzappers really benifit the project
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:50:54|Feb 10 07:50]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: go ahead
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:03|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:05"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I am not sure bug triaged is truely it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:05|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | mcepl: lol you don't have to make me happy i just thought it would help us overall :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:15|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | this is a stepping stone to do more in the project
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:23|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:29"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | a gateway
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:29|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | to bring peopl in
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:34|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: (very sweet voice) I just wanna make you happy ;-)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:39|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:51:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | that is it best asset to the project right now
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:51:47|Feb 10 07:51]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:52:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | you know from being on the fedroa forms that the "community" doesnt fully believe in what we are doing here
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:52:53|Feb 10 07:52]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:08"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | we, as in the bugzappers? people involved in fedora?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:08|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | you mean, fedora forums?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:12|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: ^^^
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:17|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:21"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes we bugzappers
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:21|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:29"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | and yes mcepl
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:29|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: nobody cares about fedora forums
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:30|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I do
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:34|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:35"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | mcepl: I do.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:35|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | its what made me coe here
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:39|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | (sorry to be brutal, but it is so)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:41|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:53:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: OK, sorry
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:53:49|Feb 10 07:53]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:54:04"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I know the users dont count
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:54:04|Feb 10 07:54]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:54:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I am one remember =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:54:10|Feb 10 07:54]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:54:15"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | but that is how i got here
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:54:15|Feb 10 07:54]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:54:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | they do -- very much
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:54:17|Feb 10 07:54]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:54:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | don't want to get off track, but, mcepl - fedora forums are where a bunch of people who use your product every day hang out and talk about it. you should care about it, even if caring doesn't mean going there (it's not the same thing)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:54:21|Feb 10 07:54]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:54:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | that is our recuiting pool
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:54:51|Feb 10 07:54]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | those forums are we new triagers are going to come from
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:02|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: so, you want to see the bugzappers as a group through which people get involved in the fedora project and then...move on? to what?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:11|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I fully believe that
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:14|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:39"
| colspan="2" | *poelcat looks at the clock...who is going to write the call to action on fedora-test-list so that we have a clear go-forward plan this time next week?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:39|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | not move contribute more
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:41|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:45"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: i agree, a big forum community like that is a vital source of new people if handled correctly
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:45|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:55:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: sorry, that's what I meant - move on within fedora, so - contribute as in...packaging?
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:55:59|Feb 10 07:55]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | i just realized I'm on vacation next week, so we'll need a volunteer to organize and lead the meeting
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:01|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I would like to poelcat
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:02|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: thank you!
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:11|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:14"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | yaay tk
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:14|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:20"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | mcepl or myself will or adam =P
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:20|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | adamw, tk009: I really apologize -- yes, they do matter
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:36|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:42"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: you should do it, you've been around longer than me and it's awesome to have non-redhat.com people do stuff :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:42|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I no you didnt mean it that way brother
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:48|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:56:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I didnt take offence
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:56:53|Feb 10 07:56]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:09"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | mcepl: np :) sorry, i just get sensitive about forums :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:09|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:19"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | everyone does =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:19|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:22"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | hehe
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:22|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | wait till adam see what I wrote
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:32|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:38"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | he may not like me anymore
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:38|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | tk009: in my thread? i saw it already, don't worry :) i'll pm you about it after this
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:46|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:57:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | in response to his forum post
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:57:48|Feb 10 07:57]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I ma blunt
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:01|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | sorry if it seems rude
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:07|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | poelcat: i can do a summary email if you like, and no-one else will
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:11|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:24"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I wanted to adam
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:24|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | lol
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:29|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:30"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | ooh ok, you go ahead then
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:30|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | however I know ou have talent there
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:34|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | everyone is fighting for my job :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:36|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:41"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | lol
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:41|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:52"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | i thought that was you volunteering to run the meeting not write the mail
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:52|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:58"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | if you do both you are awesome and deserve cookies
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:58|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:58:58"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | :)
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:58:58|Feb 10 07:58]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | I have time today
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:02|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:05"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | and want to do it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:05|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | please
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:07|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | i have a little script to format the irc log, etc.
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:18|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:25"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | go for it
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:25|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yes
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:25|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | tk009: i'll send it to you
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:32|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:38"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | yum install irc2html
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:38|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | it works great
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:43|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 07:59:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | yes, that's what I use
|| [[#tFeb 10 07:59:51|Feb 10 07:59]]
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for a great meeting everyone
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:12|Feb 10 08:00]]
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | rdieter: take it away
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:18|Feb 10 08:00]]
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | see everyone at #fedora-bugzappers
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:34|Feb 10 08:00]]
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:39"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | adamw
| style="color: #42427e" | thanks poelcat
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:39|Feb 10 08:00]]  
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tk009
| style="color: #854685" | =)
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:46|Feb 10 08:00]]
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | mcepl
| style="color: #818144" | the last adominition -- go and install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2933
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:49|Feb 10 08:00]]
|- id="tFeb 10 08:00:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | mcepl: will do
|| [[#tFeb 10 08:00:57|Feb 10 08:00]]
|}
 
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