[18:06] *** ChitleshGoorah [n=3ea0658d@fedora/ChitleshGoorah] has joined #fedora-meeting [18:06] *** Topic is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel -- Next meeting: Fedora Board on 20070220 at 15:00 UTC [18:06] *** Topic set by thl [Sat Feb 17 14:45:04 2007] [18:06] *** ChitleshGoorah mether dwmw2 giallu StylusEater_Work Southern_Gentlem f13 tibbs nman64 LisaH bpepple tibbs|h rdieter c4chris_ nirik jima blizzard dgilmore mdomschbot cweyl lmacken BobJensen-Away mspevack @ChanServ abadger1999 mmcgrath stickster_work sm|CPU couf c4chris|w skvidal spot thl [18:06] *** Channel created on Thu Jan 18 20:10:56 2007 [18:13] *** dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone [18:25] *** _wart_ [n=wart@DHCP-126-227.caltech.edu] has joined #fedora-meeting [18:34] *** cweyl_ [n=cweyl@c-67-160-247-250.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting [18:34] *** cweyl_ is now known as cweyl|work [18:48] *** Southern_Gentlem left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] [19:08] *** StylusEater_Work left #fedora-meeting [] [19:21] *** Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C2a8d.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #fedora-meeting [19:22] *** rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [19:24] *** adrianr [n=adrian@83.218.176.112] has joined #fedora-meeting [19:57] *** rdieter_away [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] [20:00] *** ahalsey [i=ahalsey@dhcp113094.qlc.hawaii.edu] has joined #fedora-meeting [20:07] *** adrianr [n=adrian@83.218.176.112] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] [20:10] *** adrianr [n=adrian@83.218.176.112] has joined #fedora-meeting [20:12] *** thl is now known as thl_afk [20:21] *** rdieter [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has joined #fedora-meeting [20:32] *** adrianr [n=adrian@83.218.176.112] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] [20:38] *** mmcgrath [n=mmcgrath@74-136-11-144.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["leaving"] [21:02] hait there [21:02] shall we ? [21:02] *** Kevin_Kofler [n=Kevin_Ko@chello213047068123.17.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #fedora-meeting [21:03] choosing dolphin as default file manager, isn't a bright idea [21:03] I don't think it was a serious suggestion. (: [21:04] chill. [21:04] yup, but worth to note happy [21:04] still waiting on than to migrate from #fedora-devel, haven't see Florian (yet). [21:05] well folks let's get started, tentatively. [21:05] was this morning's meeting minutes published yet ? [21:05] no, though not much interesting was said/decided. I recorded it though. [21:06] nice, can you upload it to the wiki ? [21:06] will do, after the meeting. [21:07] while we're waiting for than/florian, anyone have any topics to discuss? [21:07] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/kde [21:07] rdieter: might be premature but whats the plan for kde-redhat.sf.net in the future? [21:07] as mentioned in the mailing list 2 days ago, as there any progress in that perspective ? [21:07] rdieter: quick question... what is going to be the default theme for kde for f7? are you sticking with upstream default? or adding fedora bits for background, etc? [21:08] s/as/are [21:08] kde-redhat? Not sure exactly, depends on how much I/we can migrate into Fedora, mostly. [21:08] nirik: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE [21:08] Chitlesh: So these: http://tux.u-strasbg.fr/~chit/KDE4/SPECS/ dated Wed Nov 29 2006 are your latest work? [21:08] * mspevack waves at the KDE folks [21:09] Kevin_Kofler: yes, unfortunately the new qt-copy fails to build [21:09] at least at my place [21:09] rdieter: is there any non-free bits there? [21:10] * rdieter looks around his back guiltily, shh, no. (: [21:10] actually, we *used* to host some nonfree bits there, I think they're all(or mostly) gone nw. [21:10] now [21:10] nonfree bits have migrated to livna. [21:11] rdieter: ok. so theoretically you could migrate everything into fedora officially [21:11] ChitleshGorrah: don't worry about qt(copy). Fedora's qt is pretty good, good enough for now, anyway. (: [21:12] rdieter: I was referring for kde4 happy [21:12] mether: that's kinda sorta a tentative plan yeah, but I think than would prefer merging (which I have no problem with) [21:12] qt-copy is just a 4.2.2, which is what the qt4 in FE is too. [21:12] ChitleshGoorah: qt4 should be good enough too. (: [21:12] rdieter: is than and florian expected to attend now [21:12] If not, I'd like to hear about it. [21:12] kdelibs4 failed too [21:13] I'm going to look into that. [21:13] mether: yes, than is in #fedora-devel, but not responding to pings. No sign of florian. [21:13] thanks Kevin_Kofler [21:13] well get going then [21:14] rdieter: what are the actual plans for the first test spin ?? [21:14] if we have a deadline we can then forge towards it [21:14] as willwoods mentioned, f7t2 is near our door [21:14] ok, goals for test spin. [21:15] The only thing we can control until the merge is done is package manifest. [21:15] So, perfecting that is our goal for now. [21:16] Once merge and comaintainership (or response from current maintainers happen *cough*), then we can work on the other bits, like [21:16] package splitting, cleanup of package settings, themeing, etc... [21:16] has you or any engineers tested the package manifest with pungi? what is the actual size? [21:16] ChitleshGoorah: As yet, completely untested. [21:17] I figured (hoped) pungi would "just work", *crosses fingers*. (: [21:17] good then, splitting and cleanups should be our priority [21:17] right ? [21:18] currently, splitting/cleanups block on either merge or maintainers(than). [21:18] *** jeremy [i=iiiiiiii@nat/redhat/x-d46083791f29e769] has joined #fedora-meeting [21:20] (note: one last ping for than in #fedora-devel before I get nasty) [21:20] anyone else willing to take on the task of trying out pungi? [21:21] * ChitleshGoorah will be busy with the fudcon till next week [21:21] you mean fosdem? (: [21:21] yup [21:22] after the "splitting and cleanups" what else is in the list ? bug triage of previous kde bugs ? [21:24] sure, all good. I think our plate will be full/overflowing doing just that, frankly. [21:24] well, how long should we wait before targetting the orbital laser on folks that are tardy? [21:25] a week on the max [21:25] that's true, but if you are importing kde-redhat rpms and replacing the actual fedora kde rpms by yours [21:25] we will be crowed soon with lots of bugs from everywhere [21:26] ChitleshGoorah: like? Even so, I'm not too worried. [21:26] Are you implying my packages have bugs? Bah. (: [21:26] no, I didn't say so [21:27] Frankly, I don't care *who's* packages we use or start from, we need comaintainers, so we don't block on, say... [21:27] one person, *who never shows up*. [21:28] we've got lots of folks, anxious to get work done, and can't. [21:28] but if we have rpms from different sources on fedora repositories, we might be locked in the future due to dependencies and untraced bugs. [21:29] No one is suggesting using kde-redhat packages directly. [21:29] there are being reviewed however [21:29] my definition of directly is: import binary rpms from kde-redhat repo. [21:30] after review, these packages would be in *fedora*'s buildsystem. [21:30] * ChitleshGoorah thinks that we are not really having a meeting. not with 2 ppl! [21:31] The question is: what to do with the patches in the current Fedora RPMs? [21:31] we got so many blockers to just get some work done. [21:31] We'll simply do our best to merge the best bits from Fedora's existing pkgs and kde-redhat. [21:31] Some of them are quite useful, like the recent patch to add suspend/hibernate. (And I know not all people like it.) [21:32] I didn't test how well it works on my hardware yet, but that's up to the kernel anyway, the KDE patch only offers the feature in KDE. [21:32] Kevin_Kofler: perhaps its the reviewers job to assure that the fedora features are being added [21:32] can we pause a sec folks, mspavack? [21:32] arg, mspevack? [21:33] I think we have here an excellent example of our problems wrt than. He's a no-show, again. [21:35] rdieter: *nod*. it the two guys who said they were coming didn't show up, then it's an issue for me to deal with. unfortunately as you know i'm at FOSDEM for the next week... [21:35] I understand you're busy. (: [21:35] a mail ? [21:36] ChitleshGoorah: than and florian (kde maintainers @ rh) had agreed to attend this meeting. [21:36] rdieter: i think for the next few days, best to take this up with the fedora-board-list. I think greg could be of major help here, certainly until i get back from FOSDEM [21:36] because we shouldn't wait a week more before trying to fix this [21:36] ok, will do. ok, ugliness aside, back to business... [21:37] topic: merging/reviewing fedora vs kde-redhat patches... [21:38] I propose it's the reviewers tasks to make sure nothing it left aside during the review [21:39] agreed, I think it a not too daunting of a task to identify the best pieces and patches, and use them. [21:39] keep in mind, of couse, fedora's objective of staying true to upstream as well. [21:40] also, even though kde-3.5.x is technically feature-frozen, patches/features can be added upstream, provided... [21:40] I'll try to provide some help in anyway I can to see whether quality is meant [21:40] their used/deployed to a large userbase with good results (ie, in Fedora packaging). [21:40] nice loophole, eh? [21:41] ? [21:41] kinda like fedora and kmods. (: [21:42] ChitleshGoorah: if we add features/patches to fedora packaging, we can push these to upstream kde (provided they're good and work, of course). [21:43] +1 [21:43] can we come back to splitting bits. What is the actual problem? is it the cvs upload issue? or it is useless to split right now? [21:43] any other topics? [21:44] problem: than is the sole maintainer of kde packages right now. [21:44] he is the *only* one able to do any work on packaging. [21:44] he's the only one with cvs access. [21:45] we will wait and see f7t2 coming out without kde spin then [21:45] A KDE spin can be done with what's in there currently. [21:45] pretty much, again, not much point in putting out a half-assed kde spin, imo. [21:46] rdieter: is right [21:46] Keven_Kofler: maybe, which is worse, no kde spin, or one that sucks. [21:46] ? [21:46] ok, maybe "sucks" is a bit harsh, but it would contain none of the improvements or modifications we want. [21:47] so wouldn't be any different than fc6 really. [21:47] well, lets not waste our time complaining. What are your thoughts on "moodin"? [21:47] dunno, that's just me, I'm ok with being wrong if you folks feel otherwise. [21:47] it was proposed several times [21:48] moodin: a great addition to the spin... [21:48] it requires sponsoring [21:48] moodin: it's not even passed review yet, so I think discussions around it being used by default are premature. [21:49] true , then let's get someone with "sponsoring" title to review it [21:49] heck, we're currently missing a lot of good kde apps in need of packaging love, but we're getting there, slowly. [21:49] rdieter: are you a FE sponsor ? [21:49] yes. [21:50] I could sponsor him, I suppose, but I'm unfamiliar with his work. [21:50] so plz, review it, the packager agreed that I can comaintained the package with him [21:50] fair nuf. [21:50] ChitleshGoorah: speaking of sponsors, would you like to be one? [21:51] yes, if ican be of any help [21:51] ok, I'll propose you as sponsor to FESCo. [21:52] ok thanks [21:52] since, we don't have more serious things to talk, I propose that we should focus on kde apps which are queued for review [21:53] agreed, 100%. [21:53] anyone else want to throw their hats into the sponsor ring? [21:53] i guess the feature freeze will be soon, so it's time to get those apps inside [21:53] we still have a ~month until freeze @t3. [21:53] still, cutting it close. [21:53] yes, as willwoods said [21:54] F7, code name: wildnwacky [21:54] happy [21:54] anything else? (otherwise, we can end here) [21:55] *nod* [21:55] can someone post the logs? [21:55] I'll do my part and post last meetings' log. [21:55] post the first one, I'll do this one [21:56] thanks. [21:56] rdieter: sorry I missed the meeting, if there is any thing Fedora Unity can do let me know