[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:02:36] <rdieter_afk>	kde-sig meeting, start, who's present today?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:03] <gbcox>	Gerald Cox
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:09] <svahl>	present
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:23] Topic	rdieter_afk setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-04-15 -- Init".
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:27] <SMParrish>	here
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:32] <rdieter_afk>	than, ltinkl: ping
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:03:41] <ltinkl>	present
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:04:04] <rdieter_afk>	fyi, agenda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-04-15
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:04:36] Topic	rdieter_afk setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-04-15 -- Preparing for release".
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:04:36] <rdieter_afk>	topic 1: Preparing for release
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:04:49] <rdieter_afk>	time to rejoice?  panic?  :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:05:27] <rdieter_afk>	svahl: can you bring everyone up to speed on status of KDE LIve spin/image?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:05:46] <svahl>	sure
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:06:14] <svahl>	First it seems that we will finally have a cd-sized x86_64 image
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:06:20] <rdieter_afk>	yay!
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:07:02] <svahl>	That's assuming that the package list won't change anymore: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:07:51] <svahl>	we've discussed yesterday in IRC if we should free some space for missing amarok. But it was a) too late and/or b) not worth the effort (amarok is quite useless on live images)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:08:45] <svahl>	in my daily tests there were no extra bugs for the live images. So they should be ready for release
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:09:16] <svahl>	I think, that's all. :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:09:32] <rdieter_afk>	svahl: thanks.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:09:58] <rdieter_afk>	any other release-relevant comments?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:10:53] <svahl>	the colour change in KDM (bug #442312) was tagged by rel-eng
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:10:54] <buggbot>	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442312 low, low, ---, Ngo Than, CLOSED NEXTRELEASE, [RFE]: Matching background colour in startkde  for waves
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:11:21] <rdieter_afk>	svahl: thanks for taking care of that nice detail.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:11:26] <rdieter_afk>	let's move on
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:11:42] Topic	rdieter_afk setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-04-15 -- FUDCon10, who's going?".
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:11:49] <rdieter_afk>	topic 2: FUDCon10, who's going?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:11:57] <svahl>	what's the progress of ltinkl patch for systemsettings (administrator mode, we've discussed it last meeting)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:12:41] <rdieter_afk>	I forget, ltinkl, refresh our memory? :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:12:43] <ltinkl>	I decided to withhold it until there it's more tested; also someone recently posted a patch to kde-core-devel
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:13:12] <ltinkl>	the ultimate goal is to use PolicyKit in KDE 4.1 but more about that later
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:13:53] <rdieter_afk>	ltinkl: so anything for kde-4.0.x here? or just wait till kde-4.1?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:14:02] <ltinkl>	systemsettings authors' opinion is that that shouldn't be any root modules and that they were never intended to work that way
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:14:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	But we'd like to have something which works for F9...
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:14:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	We don't have time for testing, F9 is freezing in mere days.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:14:55] <ltinkl>	well, the long story is that Dirk Mueller started porting the PolicyKit-kde DBUS service to KDE 4
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:15:09] <rdieter_afk>	Kevin_Kofler: anything to address this will have to be a post-release f9 update.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:15:16] <ltinkl>	so chances are we will have something usable in the near future, implemented the correct way
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:15:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd vote for getting a hack built and tagged f9-final today.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:16:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	The "correct" way can wait.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:16:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	Chances are it won't be usable before 4.1 and that's still months from now.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:16:51] <ltinkl>	ok, I can do it if others agree too
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:17:45] <svahl>	+1 (you've said last meeting that it don't make things worse)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:17:46] <ltinkl>	btw the code is in playground/base/PolicyKit-kde
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:18:03] <rdieter_afk>	shrug, let's consider it a wishlist item, worth working on if there are no other higher-priority things to do.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:19:53] <gbcox>	this is:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434824 correct?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:19:54] <buggbot>	Bug 434824: medium, medium, ---, Lukas Tinkl, ASSIGNED , KDE4 System Settings - No Method To Enter Administrative Mode
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:20:00] <ltinkl>	yup
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:20:32] <gbcox>	not having that capability may freak some people out
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:20:35] <rdieter_afk>	ltinkl: so, by working on it, would you be helping out with the PolicyKit-kde stuff, or something else?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:21:00] <ltinkl>	rdieter_afk: I'll talk to dirk and help him if needed
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:21:20] <ltinkl>	dunno what exactly are his plans
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:21:42] <rdieter_afk>	if PolicyKit, then I'd say that it would be more worthwhile, helping contribute to the greater kde good, not just something hacked together for our (fedora's) temporary, short-term benefit.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:22:16] <Kevin_Kofler>	The PolicyKit stuff will take a while.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:22:22] <ltinkl>	nah
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:22:35] <ltinkl>	the code is mostly finished, it's just porting to KDE 4
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:22:36] <Kevin_Kofler>	What I was suggesting is to throw a quick hack into F9 to have something.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:22:48] <ltinkl>	ie. it existed for KDE 3 and was working
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:23:00] <Kevin_Kofler>	The hard part isn't the daemon, it's actually getting it used.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:23:16] <spstarr_work>	rdieter_afk: PolicyKit is coming for KDE 4.2
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:23:28] <spstarr_work>	i doubt 4.1
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:23:38] <rdieter_afk>	ltinkl: ok, if you're game to work on this, then I'll defer to you on how best to implement it. :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:23:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Basically, we really need a solution for this problem now, not when PolicyKit support will be ready.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:23:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	I know we want PolicyKit in the long term.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:24:02] <spstarr_work>	dirk and fredrikh
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:24:14] <spstarr_work>	rdieter_afk: you can ask fredrikh on IRC he just joined actually :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:25:01] <rdieter_afk>	spstarr_work: where?  on #kde-devel ?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:25:08] <spstarr_work>	there and #kde-cafe
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:25:18] <SMParrish>	Need someway atleast to allow users to change date/time without having to goto konsole
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:26:33] <rdieter_afk>	nod, let's move on.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:26:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	IMHO we really need the quick hack.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:26:59] <ltinkl>	ok, let's commit my hackish workaround and decide what to do next with F10
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:27:27] <rdieter_afk>	ltinkl: thx
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:27:56] <rdieter_afk>	next topic: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF10
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:28:34] <rdieter_afk>	I was starting to make travel plans, was wondering if anyone else would be able to attend.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:30:01] <rdieter_afk>	I was also considering inviting some kde celebrity to come, like we did w/ aseigo awhile back.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:30:43] <rdieter_afk>	I'll try him again, but since he's mr. superbusy linux/kde4 rockstar now, his plate is likely full.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:31:41] <rdieter_afk>	anyone else game for the trip?  If $$ is a problem, I'm sure we can try hitting up stickster or possibly kde-ev to help with that.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:32:21] <spstarr_work>	I'd love to go , but i also wanted to go to aKademy 2008, and im going to OLS though
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:33:08] <spstarr_work>	but if i get the new job, i donno if RH would send me to both :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:33:14] <rdieter_afk>	side topic: aKademy 2008, yeah, I'm personally unsure if I'll be able to make it.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:33:41] <svahl>	I'm quite busy with my studies that time, so sorry
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:34:09] <rdieter_afk>	fwiw, a soon-future RedHat summit will be in Europe, which should help make it closer for most folks here. :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:34:43] <rdieter_afk>	svahl: no summer off, eh? :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:34:55] <svahl>	no, not really :)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:35:35] <rdieter_afk>	ok, didn't want to take up a lot of time, just wanted to get this into everyone's awareness, let's move on.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:36:09] Topic	rdieter_afk setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-04-15 -- recent bugs: missing icons".
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:36:35] <rdieter_afk>	just notice we had a lot of "icon missing" type bugs, and would lump 'em together
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:36:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's one which is unlike the others: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441062
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:36:44] <buggbot>	Bug 441062: medium, low, ---, Ngo Than, ASSIGNED , packagekit tools do not show icons correctly on KDE
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:36:58] <rdieter_afk>	true,
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:37:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	This one needs a patch to the KDE class which generates gtkrc-2.0
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:37:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	(kdebase/workspace/kcontrol/krdb/krdb.cpp)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:37:36] <ltinkl>	I could do that
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:37:53] <ltinkl>	is that something for F9 final or can we release it as an update?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:38:28] <rdieter_afk>	ltinkl: f9-final would be nice, if it's easy/simple with minimal risk.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:38:41] <rdieter_afk>	else update would be acceptable.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:38:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd say we should get that and the #434824 workaround into the same f9-final build.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:38:58] <Kevin_Kofler>	They're both kdebase-workspace material.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:39:11] <rdieter_afk>	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434824
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:39:12] <buggbot>	Bug 434824: medium, medium, ---, Lukas Tinkl, ON_DEV , KDE4 System Settings - No Method To Enter Administrative Mode
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:39:15] <ltinkl>	make sense
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:39:19] <ltinkl>	+s
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:40:08] <ltinkl>	meanwhile I committed patches for the System Settings bug
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:40:39] <rdieter_afk>	the other missing icons are mostly kde-issues, e.g. assuming use of crystalsvg-specific icons and/or apps installing icons into only crystalsvg instead of hicolor
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:41:00] <ltinkl>	is the comment #35 from #441062 a sufficient fix? can somebody confirm it?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:41:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think either way, it shouldn't hurt.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:41:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	But of course, if someone can test it, it's even better.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:42:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	Just beware that that file is generated (by that class in kdebase-workspace), so your changes might not last long.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:44:08] <rdieter_afk>	anything else?  move on?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:44:33] <ltinkl>	ofc I'm intending to patch the generator
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:45:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	ltinkl: Of course, I meant for quick testing there.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:45:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	(If you hand-edit for quick testing, it might get lost too soon.)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:48:13] <rdieter_afk>	I gotta run real soon, y'all will need to finish up today without me.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:48:29] <rdieter_afk>	wife's school/building had a gas-leak today, need to pick her up.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:49:11] <rdieter_afk>	I think we pretty much coverred what was on the short agenda for today.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:49:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	Right.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:49:32] <rdieter_afk>	bye
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:49:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	Anything else to discuss? Or let's end the meeting here?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:50:56] <svahl>	We maybe have some free megs on the live images for some additional packages (~ 1-3 megs), suggestions? 
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:55:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	bluecurve-icon-theme, qt4-theme-quarticurve, quarticurve-kwin-theme? ;-)
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:55:35] <ltinkl>	hehe been waiting for you to suggest that :D
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:55:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Oh, and bluecurve-kde-theme too.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:56:09] <svahl>	*g*
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:58:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	On a more serious tone, I'm not sure what to fit in those remaining megs, most of the interesting apps are too big.
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:59:25] <svahl>	yeah, that's true
[Di Apr 15 2008] [18:59:57] <svahl>	ok. Then the current package list will be the final one
[Di Apr 15 2008] [19:04:12] <svahl>	so end of the meeting?
[Di Apr 15 2008] [19:05:17] Topic	Sie setzen das Kanal-Topic auf "Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule".
[Di Apr 15 2008] [19:05:36] <svahl>	thanks all