[15:00] ok, let's get started, who's around? [15:00] im here [15:00] me too [15:01] well, let me quickly review the earlier meeting for you folks... [15:02] fyi, since the core/extras merge is taking longer than expected, we'll soon be moving kde -> Extras in the meantime [15:03] kde-settings needs a reviewer: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=227241 [15:03] kdm needs ConsoleKit love: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=228111 [15:04] than will be working on -extras package splitting this week.http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE [15:04] I think that's the highlights. questions/comments? [15:05] ya kde settings looks interesting [15:05] Kevin_Kofler offered to look at kdm/ConsoleKit, btw [15:05] i think the defaults in kde look bad but that might just be me :) [15:06] for example, no sticky button by default [15:06] is stuff like that contianed in kde-settings? [15:06] XulChris: yeah, the point of packaging these bits separately is so it'll be easier to update/modify w/o rebuilding all of kdelibs/kdebase. [15:06] contained even [15:07] exactly. [15:07] well ill take a closer look at kde-settings, perhaps i can do a review if its not too complex [15:07] XulChris: naw, dead-simple, .noarch pkg. [15:07] k [15:08] ill look at it tonight [15:08] otherwise, do you folks have any other topics for discussion? [15:08] yes [15:08] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=213369 <-- this bug still seems to have not been ported to FC6 AFAICT [15:09] er bug=bug fix [15:09] two meetings ago you said you'd remind than about that? [15:10] kde-3.5.7 will hit the streets soon, I'll make sure it's fixed there. [15:10] also svahl did you have a document you need to be reviewed? [15:10] no. the release notes already mentioned the kde cd. I don't know what to add there [15:12] afk 2 min... [15:12] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Live?highlight=%28beat%29 [15:12] there is no x86_64 kde dvd? [15:13] no. I don't have x86_64 and could not test it. If we found a volunteer we could also do one [15:14] well i have an x86_64 machine [15:14] you want an account on my box? [15:14] That could be an option. But also someone must boot the cd :) [15:15] you mean dvd? [15:15] I suppose we could try to make a x86_64 spin available for testing. [15:15] yes. maybe. [15:15] If it's too horribly broken and/or no-one steps up to help drive it, we could drop it later. [15:15] I also don't have any knowledge about the differents in packages beetween x86_64 and i386 [15:16] i could test it i guess, but i hate breaking my system [15:16] I just don't want it taking away from our current efforts. [15:16] svahl: theoretically, the pkglist would be the same, and multilib magic in yum would do the rest. *crosses fingers* [15:16] *will do so* [15:17] a try could not hurt, I think [15:17] XulChris: no breaking of systems for livecd/livedvd's. :) [15:17] oh ya ok i can test it then [15:17] the newest kickstart is in git since yesterday [15:18] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/livecd;a=blob;f=config/livecd-fedora-kde.ks;h=2648610549c87c891c773adb2edb1262398f6aa9;hb=HEAD [15:18] good news! [15:18] im not sure what i need to do to build it though [15:18] XulChris: build your own livecd? lots of dark rituals, black magic, eye of newt. [15:18] only livecd-creator and the kickstart (and a local repo could also help) [15:19] *g* [15:19] ya i dont even have a local repo set up for mock [15:19] I could help with that [15:19] XulChris: regardless we (or jeremy) will be making periodic (weekly?) livecd snapshots available for testing. [15:19] svahl: you going to be around later tonight? [15:19] "livecd-creator --config=fedora-livecd-kde.ks" would do all the magic [15:20] any config files to point to repos and stuff? [15:20] maybe. But here it is already "tonight" (10 pm) :) [15:20] ah [15:20] 1:20pm here [15:20] repos are defined in the kickstart [15:20] xvahl: is livecd-creator available for fc6, or just f7/rawhide? [15:21] (looks like just f7, for now) [15:21] the actual version is only for f7 [15:21] ah yea im on fc6 here too [15:21] but I'm not sure if it also works on fc6. The last time I've tested it (a few weeks ago) it wasn't working [15:21] np, f7 it is. [15:22] i guess x86_64 livedvd will have to wait for f8? [15:22] XulChris: not necessarily. we can try building one, and see what kind of feedback we get. [15:22] rdieter: ok well if you can build one i can test it [15:23] * rdieter thinks he just found a use for the now-idle x86_64 box on the edge of his desk... [15:23] rdieter: the plan is that I do them on thursdays so they're available for people to sync and play with over the weekend [15:23] svahl: any other news on the livecd front? [15:24] jeremy: thanks. Well there ya go. [15:24] rdieter: I will be just using the configs from git tip. and svahl was committing stuff yesterday, so that should be reasonable [15:24] I've created a dvd version with localisation: http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/livedvd-fedora-kde.ks [15:24] jeremy: is making a x86_64 kde live(cd|dvd) doable then? [15:24] but i need some feedback for this. especially what packages I'm missing [15:25] rdieter: it's just more bits and testing time... I guess we can try for test4 and go from there [15:25] svahl: could you put the livedvd ks in git too? [15:26] of course. But that is just the initial version (with most stuff copied from fedora-livecd-desktop) [15:26] just wan't you to have a quick look at it [15:26] sure, gotta start somewhere. [15:27] svahl: looks like kdm has some serious issues atm, could you switch the spins to use gdm? [15:28] ok. that would also solve the problem with choosing the language (described on fedora-livecd) :) [15:29] and then I have two questions [15:29] thanks, hopefully not too many people will scream at us for that. :) [15:29] hope so :9 [15:29] :) [15:29] 1. should we also consider to include gparted or qtparted and ntfsprogs/ntfs-3g? [15:30] absolutely. [15:30] I would prefer ggarted instead of qtparted. But I haven't used qtparted for years [15:30] those shouldn't be too big. [15:30] 1,9 megs in yum [15:30] for gparted [15:31] wouldnt qtparted make sense for a kde dvd? [15:31] all things being equal, I'd lean toward qparted, but gparted is better, than go with that. [15:31] "but if..." [15:31] absolutely. but in this case I would choose the "better" one [15:31] does the kde dvd come with gtk libs? [15:31] yes. [15:31] yes (system-config-*) [15:32] hmm we need pyqt equivalents :) [15:32] knock yourself out. :) [15:32] svahl: second question? [15:32] ok. then gparted. ok? [15:32] try qparted and compare, use your best judgement. [15:33] rdieter: they would probably be better than the current versions if i ported them :) [15:33] atm launchmail and htmlview are broken after installation (want to start firefox and evolution) [15:33] ok. will compare them tomorrow [15:34] I've seen a bug for this issue (Rex, you commented this) but don't find it atm [15:34] arg, launchmail/htmlview shouldn't be used anyway -> xdg-email, xdg-open [15:34] and that should be changed in kdebase? [15:35] nothign in kde depends-on or uses htmlview. ?? [15:37] it must be something else pulling it in. Regardless, imo, not our problem. [15:37] unless there's some problem here specific to the kde livecd? [15:38] svahl: regardless, I think the bug to which you refer has already been fixed. [15:38] not really. On the livecd I replaced them. [15:38] ok [15:38] but a spin from today also have this issue [15:39] I must search for the bug again, I think [15:40] lemme go look... [15:41] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230023 ? [15:42] not fixed. [15:42] yes this one [15:42] ok. we couldn't do anything there [15:43] any other news? [15:44] not from me [15:44] no [15:44] btw: DVD is about 1000 megs [15:44] ok, well that's all I had too. [15:45] end meeting, thanks folks. [15:45] then I have just a small question: What's about echo in KDE for F7 [15:45] echo splash, icons? [15:45] both [15:45] icons are not working atm. [15:45] splash, sure, icons, no (they don't work) [15:46] when/if they get fixed, we can reconsider. [15:46] ok. But the bug for the splash is still open [15:47] review kde-settings, and we can get it fixed faster... :) [15:47] :) [15:47] [Notify] tibbs went offline (irc.freenode.org). [15:48] ok. that's all [15:48] ok, later..