[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:00:30] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-06 -- Init".
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:00:55] <rdieter>	kde sig meeting, Init.  Who's present today?  ping: Kevin_Kofler, svahl, ltinkl, than, spstarr_work, kde*foo
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:01:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:01:07] <svahl>	present
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:01:12] <SMParrish>	here
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:01:13] <spstarr_work>	present
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:01:50] <gbcox>	here
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:02:14] 	 * rdieter is going to have to start nagging than again, he's missing meetings.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:02:27] <Stalwart>	yay
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:02:42] <Stalwart>	i'm present too today :D
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:02:59] <rdieter>	ok, let's roll.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:03:13] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-06 -- KDE 4.0.4 updates".
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:03:16] <rdieter>	topic 1: KDE 4.0.4 updates:
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:03:27] <rdieter>	just an fyi, I'm geting started working on that.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:04:00] <rdieter>	we chatted in #fedora-kde a bit this morning whether or not to issue an update for f7 too.  I think the mild consensus was to do it.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:04:15] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler said:  "push 4.0.4 (testing first, stable when the F9 version hits stable so we don't break upgrade paths), don't push 4.0.5 to F7 (no time for testing before EOL)."
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:04:58] <rdieter>	any other comments?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:05:17] <spstarr_work>	hmm KDE 4 for Fedora 7? Isnt' F7 EOL soon though?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:05:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	Only the development platform.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:05:29] <spstarr_work>	ok
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:05:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	The kdelibs4 etc. stuff we have at 4.0.3 already.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:05:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	Plus Dolphin (kdebase4).
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:06:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	Nothing which is currently at 3.5 will be upgraded, of course.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:07:37] <spstarr_work>	I dont see that as being an issue other than $HOME/.kde directory, i donno the interactions of KDE 3.5 and 4.x apps, unless they are not going to conflict in apps?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:07:38] <rdieter>	ok, let's move on...
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:07:55] <spstarr_work>	or if your just putting libs
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:08:03] <rdieter>	spstarr_work: as long as you don't have both kde3/kde4 versions of the same app installed, should be ok.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:08:14] <spstarr_work>	right
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:08:40] <rdieter>	topic 2: kde-4.1 in cvs/devel(F-10) branch.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:08:46] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler's working on that, status?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:09:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	Right, I've been working on this, also thanks to the work done by lvillani.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:09:06] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-06 -- KDE 4.1alpha in rawhide".
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:09:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdelibs and kdepimlibs are built (akonadi reviewed and imported as a dependency of kdepimlibs), kdebase-runtime is now building.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:09:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Actually kdebase-runtime just failed. ;-)
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:10:47] 	 * rdieter is working on libcaptury pkg review (for kdebase-workspace) with spstarr_work .  hope to have that all done asap.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:10:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	Hmmm, a new file lvillani added to his file list isn't actually there?!
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:10:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	error: File not found: /var/tmp/kdebase-runtime-4.0.72-1.fc10-root-mockbuild/usr/share/icons/default.kde4
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:11:21] <spstarr_work>	yes, this is for kwin video recording effect plugin
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:11:30] <spstarr_work>	i haven't tried it yet, but will see if it works in trunk tonight
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:11:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	That should be a symlink to Oxygen, no idea why it isn't being created. Anyway, I'm working on this stuff. ^^
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:12:03] <spstarr_work>	libcaptury (and capseo) will complete Fedora's kdebase fully dependency list
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:12:16] <Kevin_Kofler>	Once I have kdebase-* in, upgrading the stuff which depends on libplasma will be the highest priority as that will have broken deps after the kdebase-workspace upgrade.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:13:43] <rdieter>	oh, and related news, I just snagged qt-4.4.0 (final) and will update that soon too.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:13:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	As I said on #fedora-kde earlier today, we'll also want avogadro reviewed and imported so we don't lose features in Kalzium (kdeedu), that's the lib which does the 3D molecule views, it was split out of Kalzium in 4.1.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:14:00] <Kevin_Kofler>	Any questions about KDE 4.1 and F10?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:14:26] <spstarr_work>	Plasma is in big flux for 4.1.. there is risk
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:14:37] <spstarr_work>	its usable but there are issues
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:14:56] <spstarr_work>	but by F10 i think that will be moot
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:15:01] <rdieter>	spstarr_work: it's rawhide (or will be soon).  tis ok. :)
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:15:07] <spstarr_work>	yeah
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:16:09] <rdieter>	move on.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:16:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	Oh, I see why kdebase-runtime fails, the symlink is created by cmake so it can't be found in the noarch part. Grrr, the noarch hack coming to bite us. I'll fix it after the meeting.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:17:37] <rdieter>	brb.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:22:38] <rdieter>	back
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:23:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: So let's bring up the next topic.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:24:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	Looks like nobody has any questions about 4.1.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:25:28] Topic	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-06 -- F7 updates awol".
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:25:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	topic: F7 updates awol, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F7/FEDORA-2008-3379. f7 mash is segfaulting, holding up updates push. f13, lmacken are working on it.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:25:38] <rdieter>	thx (someone else stopped by)
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:25:58] <rdieter>	just an fyi here, in case anyone is looking for or asks about these.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:26:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	Looks like this is mostly informative, not much we can do about that on the KDE side, except hope for it to get fixed soon.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:26:38] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-06 -- Upstreaming patches".
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:26:44] <rdieter>	topic 4: Upstreaming patches
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:27:05] <rdieter>	We're starting to collect a lot of patches, many of which are upstreamable, we just haven't bothered to do it yet.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:27:22] <spstarr_work>	We should try to get the PulseAudio changes in 4.1 since this is becoming issue
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:27:24] <rdieter>	:)  We need due-diligence here to stay on top of things.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:27:43] <rdieter>	PA changes? like?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:27:54] <spstarr_work>	try to build trunk, and you'll find out PA doesnt work no audio
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:28:06] <rdieter>	ok, that's a separate issue then.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:28:20] <rdieter>	or you're still talking about kde.4.1?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:28:23] <spstarr_work>	yes
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:28:31] <spstarr_work>	trunk is 4.1 right now
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:28:47] <rdieter>	ok, we'll sort that out in due-course.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:29:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	No audio with or without the patch which bumps the PA priority up to 2000 and drops the isAdvanced flag?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:29:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	If it's no audio with the patch, then there's a regression somewhere.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:29:46] <spstarr_work>	if the patch is non-distribution specific it should be send upstream
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:29:57] <spstarr_work>	it wont encounter resistance
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:30:33] <spstarr_work>	some of them such as adding konsole to menu isn't receiving a lot of praise
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:02] 	 * rdieter is thinking more about ConsoleKit, PolicyKit patches, as examples
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	Removing the isAdvanced flag is not distro-specific, it should definitely go upstream now that xine-lib has been fixed.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	Bumping the priority is something upstream might be less happy about.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:26] <spstarr_work>	PolicyKit support is coming for KDE 4.2
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:39] <spstarr_work>	i think its quite late to try to merge that upstream :(
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:54] <rdieter>	spstarr_work: and in the meantime?  our patch allows on to logout when using gdm.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:31:58] <rdieter>	allows one even
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:32:07] <spstarr_work>	has to stay as a patch then
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:32:10] <rdieter>	sorry, to restart/shutdown
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:32:35] <spstarr_work>	May 19th is cut off for 'soft features'
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:33:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	We have 2 ConsoleKit patches actually.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:33:32] <spstarr_work>	you could talk to dirk about the PolicyKit (and ConsoleKit) patches?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:33:35] <Kevin_Kofler>	One for KDM to support ConsoleKit, and one for shutdown/restart using ConsoleKit when running under GDM.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:34:31] <rdieter>	anyway, there are other examples... that are more clear-cut.  My point is that little or no effort has been made for a lot of our patches on upstreaming.  I just wanted to remind everyone to try to work on it.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:35:26] <lvillani>	back
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:35:33] <lvillani>	<Kevin_Kofler> Hmmm, a new file lvillani added to his file list isn't actually there?!
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:35:33] <lvillani>	<Kevin_Kofler> error: File not found: /var/tmp/kdebase-runtime-4.0.72-1.fc10-root-mockbuild/usr/share/icons/default.kde4
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:35:36] <rdieter>	discussing specific examples too, would be beneficial.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:35:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	I committed the obvious fixes directly to the upstream SVN, for example I recently committed Than's suspend/hibernate fixes.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:35:50] <lvillani>	Kevin_Kofler, it gets installed with latest svn checkouts
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:36:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	(-es, it was only one patch actually.)
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:36:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	lvillani: I have figured out what's wrong already.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:36:22] <lvillani>	I'm not aware if upstream removed that file or if alpha tarballs doesn't install it
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:36:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	That's not it.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:36:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	<Kevin_Kofler> Oh, I see why kdebase-runtime fails, the symlink is created by cmake so it can't be found in the noarch part. Grrr, the noarch hack coming to bite us. I'll fix it after the meeting.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:37:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	Some parts are only built in the noarch build, others only in the arch-specific build.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:37:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	And the symlink should be in oxygen-icon-theme, but isn't built in the noarch build.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:37:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'm fixing this.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:37:27] <lvillani>	ok
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:38:05] <rdieter>	hmm... shouldn't that symllink rather be somewhere else?  either in main kdebase-runtime or even kde-settings?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:38:23] <rdieter>	not that it's a big deal or anything.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:38:35] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's a symlink to oxygen.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:39:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's needed in 4.1 for the fallback to Oxygen to work (it's no longer hardcoded).
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:39:13] <rdieter>	I was thinking of the use-case of a gnome'er installing oxygen-icon-theme and getting this atrocious 'kde' symlink.  the horror.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:39:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	Stuff which only has Requires: oxygen-icon-theme should be getting the symlink.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:39:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	Of course I could yank it from kdebase-runtime entirely and stuff it into kde-settings instead.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:39:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	IIRC kde-settings already pulls in oxygen-icon-theme.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:39:55] <rdieter>	I was also thinking that kde-settings would be appropriate, since that's where the default icon theme is set.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:40:19] <rdieter>	kde-settings: change icon theme -> change symlink too.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:40:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	default.kde4 is what KDE 4 falls back to if it can't find the icon anywhere else.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:40:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	default.kde4 should always point to Oxygen.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:40:54] <rdieter>	oh.  is there a default.kde4 in kde-4.0 too?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:41:05] <rdieter>	no
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:41:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's the only theme which is guaranteed to have the icons.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:41:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's no default.kde4 in 4.0, it's hardcoded there.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:41:21] <rdieter>	ok, just put in oxygen now then, we'll sort it out later.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:41:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	I need some hackery anyway for the noarch hack, so I can just as well put the symlink into somewhere else, e.g. kde-settings.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:42:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	But I think oxygen-icon-theme is where it belongs.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:42:58] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: ok
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:43:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's not really a setting, a lot of icons will be missing if you put in the average incomplete theme as default.kde4.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:43:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	Only Oxygen is really guaranteed to have all the icons KDE 4 apps need.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:43:44] <rdieter>	fyi, recently filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445376
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:43:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	IMHO the symlink should be called fallback.kde4, not default.kde4, because that's what it really is.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:43:57] <buggbot>	Bug 445376: high, high, ---, Ngo Than, ASSIGNED , okular print doesn't work
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:14] <rdieter>	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445374
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	Another default.kde4 can only work if it inherits from Oxygen.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:28] <rdieter>	the last one (kget) is a dup, I think.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	Me too, but I can't find the original.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	I know this has been discussed already.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:51] <rdieter>	nod
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:44:57] <SMParrish>	I looked for a dupe on it but also could not find one, will check again
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:45:07] <rdieter>	I can confirm the okular issue.  prints only page #1.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:45:37] <buggbot>	Bug 445374: high, high, ---, Ngo Than, ASSIGNED , kget doesn't seem to work at all
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:45:48] <rdieter>	SMParrish: I'm certain it's been reported upstream.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:46:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	Ouch, the Okular bug is pretty bad. OK, printing in 4.0 sucks, but printing only 1 page is unacceptable. :-/
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:47:40] <rdieter>	I'll keep working on kde-4.0.4.  I'll hope and pray that got magically   fixed.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:47:50] <rdieter>	but I'm not getting my hopes up either.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:49:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	I resubmitted kdebase-runtime, hopefully I fixed the default.kde4 build problem.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:49:13] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-06 -- Open Discussion".
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:49:27] <rdieter>	ok, agenda's clear, anything else for today?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:52:20] <rdieter>	fun, bugzappers are closing NEEDINFO bugs today.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:52:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, does anyone know what compiz-kde uses libplasma for and what state support for the 4.1 API is in?
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:52:45] <SMParrish>	thought it was the 8th
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:53:02] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's the one third-party package using libplasma.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:54:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdeutils, kdenetwork and extragear-plasma are the others, those will simply have to be upgraded to the KDE 4.1 versions.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:57:40] <rdieter>	ok, we're about out of time for today, so let's wrap-up, and move back to #fedora-kde
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:57:43] <rdieter>	thanks all.
[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:57:45] <rdieter>	meeting end
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[Di Mai 6 2008] [18:59:00] <rdieter>	any sucker^?^? ... err volunteer to grab irc log and whip up a summary?