Sep 11 18:02:57 Kevin_Kofler	Time for the KDE SIG meeting, we're already 7 minutes late.
Sep 11 18:03:10 svahl	right
Sep 11 18:03:11 svahl	hi
Sep 11 18:03:12 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter e-mailed us that he won't be able to attend today.
Sep 11 18:03:32 Kevin_Kofler	I see svahl is present. than: present?
Sep 11 18:07:31 Kevin_Kofler	Hmmm, doesn't look like it. :-(
Sep 11 18:07:46 Kevin_Kofler	svahl: Anything to discuss?
Sep 11 18:08:11 Kevin_Kofler	On my side there's the KDE 4 stuff I've worked on and posted about to kde-redhat-devel.
Sep 11 18:08:15 svahl	not really. LiveCD should be fine. What's the status of kde4beta3=
Sep 11 18:08:16 svahl	?
Sep 11 18:08:39 Kevin_Kofler	We're at Beta 2 (3.93.0) actually.
Sep 11 18:09:02 Kevin_Kofler	I have updated packages for:
Sep 11 18:09:11 Kevin_Kofler	* kdelibs4 (in the kdelibs/devel KDE 4 branch)
Sep 11 18:09:23 Kevin_Kofler	* kdepimlibs (in its own package in Fedora CVS)
Sep 11 18:09:52 Kevin_Kofler	* qimageblitz (new dependency of kdebase4), for now at http://repo.calcforge.org/f8/qimageblitz.spec
Sep 11 18:10:12 Kevin_Kofler	We don't have an updated kdebase4 yet.
Sep 11 18:10:29 Kevin_Kofler	The kdelibs4 package no longer conflicts with kdelibs 3, not even for -devel.
Sep 11 18:10:48 svahl	that sounds great
Sep 11 18:11:28 Kevin_Kofler	I'm removing kjscmd, checkXML and kunittestmodrunner which are not absolutely needed.
Sep 11 18:11:43 Kevin_Kofler	I'm renaming kconfig_compiler to kconfig_compiler4 and makekdewidgets to makekdewidgets4.
Sep 11 18:11:59 Kevin_Kofler	And I'm putting the symlinks into %{_libdir}/kde4/devel.
Sep 11 18:12:35 Kevin_Kofler	The nice thing is that, since I'm patching FindKDE4Internal.cmake too, the renames and symlink move should be transparent to all KDE 4 apps built using cmake.
Sep 11 18:13:21 Kevin_Kofler	If an app uses another build system (like autotools or something custom), it might need patching, but I don't think there's many of those for KDE 4.
Sep 11 18:14:30 svahl	sounds good an hopefully makes the life for extra kde4 packages a bit easier
Sep 11 18:15:27 Kevin_Kofler	I think we should try getting at least the kconfig_compiler to kconfig_compiler4 and makekdewidgets to makekdewidgets4 renames upstream.
Sep 11 18:15:36 XulChris	rex here?
Sep 11 18:15:41 Kevin_Kofler	Upstream doesn't really care about -devel parallel-installability though.
Sep 11 18:15:47 Kevin_Kofler	XulChris: Unfortunately not.
Sep 11 18:17:26 Kevin_Kofler	The next thing to work on will be kdebase4.
Sep 11 18:17:54 Kevin_Kofler	We really need a kdebase4-runtime package which doesn't conflict with anything KDE 3, but just provides the runtime parts needed for KDE 4 apps to be fully functional.
Sep 11 18:18:43 Kevin_Kofler	Basically, it should contain the stuff in upstream's kdebase/runtime, possibly minus some stuff which conflicts, and possibly plus some of the stuff in kdebase/apps such as the KControl modules under kdebase/apps/konqueror.
Sep 11 18:19:00 Kevin_Kofler	The question is how to proceed.
Sep 11 18:20:09 Kevin_Kofler	I'm thinking of changing the current kdebase.spec (KDE 4 branch) to only produce that runtime package. However, this might make life harder for svahl if he wants to update that live CD with KDE 4 stuff on it.
Sep 11 18:20:54 Kevin_Kofler	Also note that kdebase-workspace is now a separate upstream tarball altogether.
Sep 11 18:22:54 svahl	we will see. atm the livecd is a little bit more than 700 megs
Sep 11 18:27:00 Kevin_Kofler	So you think I should just prepare my kdebase4-runtime package and we'll see for full kdebase4 (which will need a Conflicts: kdebase) later?
Sep 11 18:30:48 svahl	think so (atm): F8-Live-KDE will ship KDE3, F9-Live-KDE will hopefully ship KDE4. So I will have rethink the package list when we have more packages
Sep 11 18:31:07 svahl	I don't think we will then ship many KDE3 apps
Sep 11 18:32:09 Kevin_Kofler	Right.
Sep 11 18:32:34 Kevin_Kofler	But my point is that we need kdebase4 packaged differently for KDE 4 as default.
Sep 11 18:33:20 Kevin_Kofler	We need to add at least the apps, and also a kdebase-workspace package from the kdebase-workspace tarball.
Sep 11 18:33:50 Kevin_Kofler	For KDE 3 as the default and KDE 4 as a development platform, we need only kdebase-runtime.
Sep 11 18:35:33 svahl	I see. Just do what do you think is the best and don't worry about the livecd. 
Sep 11 18:52:46 Kevin_Kofler	Let's officially close the KDE meeting here, we don't have anything else to discuss anyway.
Sep 11 18:52:59 svahl	ok