[11:03] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting - Init". [11:03] KDE SIG meeting start -- Init -- who's present today? [11:03] present [11:03] here [11:03] present [11:04] Present. [11:04] I'll have to leave in about half an hour. So if someone could please grab the log so that I can write the summary tomorrow? [11:04] present [11:05] hrm, can anyone load the wiki to get the agenda? I'm getting nothing but 502 Proxy Error [11:05] Loading really really slow ... [11:05] Celebrating the release of Fedora 9 :) [11:05] Dropping Phonon "ALSA default device" hack? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg00826.html [11:05] _qt4_bindir (reverted for now due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446167, what next?) [11:05] Status of kpackagekit (1) [11:05] iclock applet (International Clock applet for Qt4/KDE4) - comments, opinions, inclusion into F10 http://ktown.kde.org/~lukas/iclock/ [11:05] Recapitulate the way to F9 and initial release planning for F10 [11:05] ok, got it finally. [11:06] slashdot effect I guess [11:06] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Celebrating the release of Fedora 9". [11:06] topic 1: Celebrating the release of Fedora 9 [11:06] party like it's 1999. wee. [11:06] rdieter: present [11:06] than: hi [11:07] i was on vacation for 3 weeks due to birth of my daughter [11:07] As an aside, Kevin_Kofler wrote up a quick diddy for dot.kde.org [11:07] than: congrats! we expect pictures. :) [11:07] than: congratulations! [11:07] thanks [11:07] grats than! [11:07] As already said in a PM: Congratulations! [11:07] hello [11:07] congratulations from me too [11:08] congratulations :) [11:08] rdieter: http://www.ngothan.de/chung/ [11:08] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Celebrating Than's daughter". [11:08] :-) [11:08] congratulations x2! [11:09] Some more good news: We even got a special mention on fedora-announce-list by Paul W. Frields: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-May/msg00006.html [11:10] i noticed that [11:10] thanks stickster :) [11:10] Sorry I couldn't mention everyone by name [11:10] I guess the accents on Lukáš's name were too hard to type? ;-) [11:10] I tried to be consistent about using the word "including" to show that there were others involved [11:10] heh [11:11] stickster: np, else you'd end up like a lame academy awards speech, with way too many. [11:11] Just for the record: My first name is "Sebastian", not "Sebastien" :) [11:11] Music plays, I get dragged off stage by a gorgeous -- hey, waitaminit [11:11] Im not mentioned but ok :o) guess my name scred him away :) [11:11] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Celebrating the release of Fedora 9". [11:12] any other F9 goodies to mention or move on? [11:12] Party tonight :) [11:12] F9 KDE 4 got mentioned in a feature on Distrowatch. [11:12] http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080512#feature [11:13] "the KDE spellchecking tool, which works in some applications (e.g. KMail), but not in others (e.g. Kate)." ?? [11:13] I will be at the Toronto Fedora 9 Party [11:14] true? bug or kate just not support that yet? [11:14] I've read other reports of spellchecking breakage in KDE 4 Kate. [11:14] kate seems to be buggy [11:14] Definitely a bug. [11:14] But the backspace and middle-click bugs scare me even more. :-( [11:14] the spellchecking itself works fine [11:15] Kate in 4.0 uses K3Spell, possibly that's broken, possibly it's just Kate. [11:16] oh well. [11:16] let's move on. [11:16] +1 [11:16] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Dropping Phonon "ALSA default device" hack? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg00826.html". [11:16] next topic: Dropping Phonon "ALSA default device" hack? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg00826.html [11:16] is it still needed? [11:16] I'm in favor of this, looks like a no-brainer to me. any other comments? [11:16] FYI, we're talking about this hack: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/rpms/kdelibs/devel/kdelibs.spec?rev=1.306&view=markup [11:16] is this fixed upstream? [11:17] Uh, wrong file. [11:17] Will this stop it from cycling back and forth between two non-working sound outputs? [11:17] This hack: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/rpms/kdelibs/F-9/kdelibs-3.97.0-alsa-default-device.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup [11:17] mefoster: that's the hope anyway. [11:17] This was originally designed to make PulseAudio work when the native PulseAudio backend was broken. [11:17] It shouldn't be needed anymore. [11:17] now that xine-lib-pulseaudio is more reliable, it makes the patch much less needed. [11:17] It might help dmix, but dmix isn't used by default anymore. [11:17] And it breaks when there's no actual sound device. [11:18] drop it then imo [11:18] It could probably be fixed with more hacks, but IMHO it's not worth it. [11:18] Kevin_Kofler: it's not worth doing it. drop it [11:19] I guess we're all in violent agreement then. :-) [11:19] nod, move on. [11:19] FWIW, here's my upstream bug about the cycling: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161253 [11:19] next topic: _qt4_bindir (reverted for now due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446167, what next?) [11:19] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- _qt4_bindir (reverted for now due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446167, what next?)". [11:20] my introduction of a compat symlink induced this, doh. [11:20] This is the usual RPM directory->symlink suckage. [11:20] what to do: 1. stick with revert, and qt-4.3 setup [11:20] 2. drop compat symlink [11:20] it's a known issue in rpm [11:20] My suggestion, which than agreed with is this: [11:20] * keep _qt4_bindir and _bindir separate [11:20] 3. instead of using %bindir , munge PATH (like qt3) [11:21] * move the executables to _bindir [11:21] * keep _qt4_bindir as a directory and use symlinks from there to _bindir (or wrapper scripts if that works better) [11:21] 4. what Kevin_Kofler just said. :) [11:22] It also allows us to keep only qmake-qt4 in bindir and both qmake and qmake-qt4 in _qt4_bindir for F8 and possibly F9, and only have a %{_bindir}/qmake in qt 4 in F10+. [11:23] And it fixes https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=422291 and any other wrapper-script-related bugs. [11:23] I'm ok with anything (but 1, I think change is warranted). [11:24] I propose going with Kevin_Kofler's suggetion, +1 [11:25] Sorry guys, gotta go now [11:26] mefoster: bye for now. [11:26] OK. I discussed this in private with than earlier today and he agreed too, so I think we can move on (unless than has anything to add). [11:26] Kevin_Kofler: it's fine with me, we can move on [11:26] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Status of kpackagekit (1)". [11:26] next topic: Status of kpackagekit (1) [11:27] I'd propose we assign this as a task to someone to investigate and to potentially package up for review. [11:28] 1 = http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/05/02/kde-love/ [11:28] I think it isn't ready yet (not even for pre-alpha F10). [11:28] i hear they are making process but its not ready [11:29] if not ready, then is there much else to do? unless someone here is willing to help/contribute to it. [11:30] Where is it developed? I don't see a repo anywhere. [11:30] http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html [11:30] it lists a git repo [11:30] git clone git://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/QPackageKit [11:31] But the QPackageKit repo is 5 months old and contains the old abandoned Qt frontend. [11:31] is QPackageKit == KPackageKit? AFAIK QPackageKit was stopped long time tago [11:31] -t [11:31] hmm [11:31] this is or isn't the same as the KDE PackagKit client that openSUSE folks are working on? (I think not) [11:32] It's different. [11:32] OpenSUSE is working on an updater, for adding/removing packages they're working on PackageKit support in YaST2. [11:32] But that isn't very useful for us. [11:33] yup but the blog entry mentions a KDE frontend [11:33] QPackageKit was abandoned [11:33] too bad, I thought it was going to be a KPackage replacement. [11:33] I also have to go now. Could someone post the log to the wiki? [11:33] svahl: sure, bye. [11:33] thx [11:33] [Notify] svahl went offline (irc.freenode.org). [11:33] fg [11:33] http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html#kde [11:34] you can even see the KDe frontend ^^ [11:34] That's all we have of it right now. I don't see any code anywhere. [11:34] ltinkl: you interested in investigating more, and reporting back? [11:34] yup, will have a look [11:34] thx. [11:35] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- iclock applet (International Clock applet for Qt4/KDE4) - comments, opinions, inclusion into F10 http://ktown.kde.org/~lukas/iclock/". [11:35] next topic: iclock applet (International Clock applet for Qt4/KDE4) - comments, opinions, inclusion into F10 http://ktown.kde.org/~lukas/iclock/ [11:35] ltinkl: you have the floor. [11:35] oki [11:35] so here's my little project I've been working on for the past couple of days [11:36] the intent is to have an international clock applet for KDE 4 [11:36] all the info @ http://ktown.kde.org/~lukas/iclock/ [11:36] >] [11:37] questions, comments, is it useful/worth the effort? [11:38] FYI, there is a worldclock in kdetoys 4.1, but I'm not sure if it's similar to yours or not at all. [11:38] there is a plasma worldclock also but its not stable (crashes for me) [11:38] its in playground though [11:38] I guess the idea is to have something like this GNOME 2.22 feature? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureClockApplet [11:38] imo, most definitely, get it into rawhide. [11:38] asap [11:39] Kevin_Kofler: yup, that's it [11:39] rdieter: as a standalone app as it is now? [11:39] ltinkl: yes, at first anyway. [11:39] ok, I'll try to come up with a package for review [11:39] and (continue) work to integrate upstream somewher. [11:39] somewhere even. [11:41] next topic: Recapitulate the way to F9 and initial release planning for F10 [11:41] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Recapitulate the way to F9 and initial release planning for F10". [11:41] * rdieter looks up recapitulate. :) [11:41] Kevin_Kofler: you added that, didn't you? :) [11:42] No, svahl did. [11:42] heh, ok. [11:42] not sure what his intentions were here, anyone with guesses? [11:43] Well, we can sum up what we did for F9, but I don't think it's really necessary, we already know it. :-) [11:43] F10 planning is more interesting IMHO. [11:44] ok, modified topic: Planning for F10. [11:44] *** You set the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-05-13 -- Planning for F10". [11:44] Kevin_Kofler: how's progress on kde-4.0.72 rawhide import? [11:44] The core KDE components which are at 4.0.x in F9 (except kde-l10n) are now at 4.0.72 (4.1 alpha1 + 1 week) in F10 Rawhide. [11:45] What's left to do is: [11:45] * kdepim: certainly needs packaging work, also needs libopensync-plugin-kdepim upgraded to a development snapshot and basket either upgraded to a KDE 4 based snapshot or kdepim support in basket disabled for now. [11:46] I'm not sure if there are other deps. [11:46] * kdevelop: needs kdevplatform packaged and reviewed. [11:46] Then kdevelop itself upgraded, hoping it will actually make upstream 4.1, I haven't followed the status there. [11:47] * kde-l10n: My intention was to handle kdepim and kdevelop first, then also switch kde-l10n and kde-i18n to provide the KDE 4 versions of the translations for those. [11:47] nod, good plan [11:47] Otherwise we'd have to exclude these from kde-l10n now and readd them later, that would be silly. [11:48] kdewebdev will still have to stay at 3.5, Quanta will not be ready for 4.1, unfortunately. :-( [11:48] And kdewebdev without Quanta does not have much in the way of web development. ;-) [11:48] So I think we should really hold onto 3.5 until we get a version with Quanta included there. [11:49] or just keep kdewebdev3/quana around. *shrug* [11:49] f-10-wise, I've started work on getting koffice-2 packaged. [11:49] The "kdewebdev" package in 4.0 and 4.1 is essentially a joke, I mean I really like kfilereplace, but that alone won't make a usable kdewebdev. ;-) [11:50] OK, there's also klinkstatus, but... ;-) [11:50] I don't see what we have to gain by upgrading those to 4.0 or 4.1 now and it might break Quanta (those things are in kdewebdev because Quanta uses them). [11:52] Kevin_Kofler: hopefully quanta will be ready for 4.2 [11:53] I hope so too. [11:53] kdepimlibs is not in f9-update-testing? [11:54] * rdieter goes to check (doh) [11:54] It's missing indeed, oops... [11:54] crap, sorry. [11:54] adding [11:55] rdieter: thanks [11:57] fyi, from #fedora-kde, breaking news: [11:55] Kevin_Kofler: ok, didn't want to interrupt. here's your story http://dot.kde.org/1210692815/ [11:57] just pending proof-reading for publication. [12:01] well, looks like we're out of time for today, let's take further discussion back to #fedora-kde. [12:01] thxnks all, KDE SIG Meeting end.