[Di Feb 26 2008] [17:04:03] KDE SIG meeting start, who's present today? than, Kevin_Kofler, ltinkl, svahl, ping. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:04:07] present [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:04:14] Present. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:04:20] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- Init". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:06:30] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- PolicyKit integration (#428212)". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:06:37] ok topic 1: Policy Kit integration [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:06:55] ltinkl: you were going to work on that (right?), any news, progress? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:07:00] not much to report, having been sick the last week [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:07:22] ok. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:07:32] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- Preparing for Beta and Feature Freeze 4 March 2008". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:07:39] topic 2: Preparing for Beta and Feature Freeze 4 March 2008 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:07:49] Rushing in 4.0.2 is going to be fun. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:07:57] Tagging tomorrow, official release March 5. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:08:42] getting it in is probably the right thing for us, we can always iron out the little things later, after the feature freeze [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:09:50] Kevin_Kofler: I don't think a feature freeze prevents bugfixing pkg updates (which 4.0.2 primarily would be), imo. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:10:20] but, getting it in for the beta, *does* matter, yes. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:10:48] But I'd like it in the beta, if we want to get all those packages tagged for the beta late, the other rel-eng folks will complain to you. ;-) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:11:31] For the final release, I hope we can get 4.0.3 in. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:11:41] no worries, I'll take the heat for that. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:11:48] 4.0.4 will probably be too late. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:12:22] Actually, it will almost definitely be too late. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:12:47] no biggie, any other beta/freeze concerns, issues ? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:13:10] has noticed a few more kde3-specific package EOL's coming in to rel-eng lately, that's good. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:14:34] Everytime I notice a non-functional package, I alert the maintainer that it should not be in Rawhide anymore, we don't want non-functional packages in F9. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:14:37] knemo, kio_resources to name 2 recent ones... [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:15:20] nothing atm Obsoletes these, I'm not sure if we should try to address that or not. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:15:50] tastymenu is also non-functional in F9, I filed a bug for that when I noticed a pointless rebuild of it in the Rawhide reports, the maintainer hasn't answered yet. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:16:20] Kevin_Kofler: keep an eye on that, we may need to intervene, and do it ourselves if the maintainer doesn't respond soon. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:16:42] rawhide broken deps reports still mention compiz-kde, I noticed. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:16:55] The bug I filed has been open for ages. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:17:19] ages = tastymenu? If so, we can "just do it" after meeting, then. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:17:20] I've seen some 4.0.1 KWin changes apparently aiming at allowing to port the compiz-kde-window-decorator. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:17:51] But I don't know when the new compiz kwd will be ready. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:18:03] The tastymenu one has only been open for a few days. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:18:20] The compiz-kde one has been open for weeks, with no answer whatsoever. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:18:32] ok, let's move on, lots more stuff. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:18:43] And it also shows up in the broken deps report unlike tastymenu which somehow manages not to use any kicker-specific libs. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:19:04] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- Package list for the live images, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:19:11] svahl, news here? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:19:19] topic 3: Package list for the live images, [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:19:27] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:19:42] the package list is still the same as on the alpha. but we have about ~10 megs for packages [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:20:03] for dragonplayer vs. kaffeine: I think I'll stick with kaffeine [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:20:11] svahl: is ktorrent-3.0 (kde4 version) in there yet? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:20:14] What's dragging in kdebase3 now, are you pulling it in explicitly? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:20:35] * rdieter is waiting for the wiki to load. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:20:40] no, not yet. is it in rawhide already? I've only seen the cvs commit [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:21:20] ktorrent is in the package list, so the KDE 4 one will just magically come in once it's built for Rawhide. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:21:24] ok, we'll stick with only general ?'s for now, until the wiki loads, svahl, any other general comments or concerns here? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:21:40] no, nothing to add [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:22:16] * rdieter is happy that compositing on his intel-laptop is working reliably recently (in the past week or so). [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:22:52] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- Call for 3.5.9 testing". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:22:55] topic 4: Call for 3.5.9 testing [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:23:22] rdieter: konversation is pulling in kdebase3 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:23:27] good stuff there, more bugfixes, stabilization, kdepim-enterprise integration. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:23:45] * rdieter will take a look @ konversation after meeting, almost certainly doesn't need kdebase [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:24:23] any suggestions on how best to advertise kde-3.5.9? blogging, etc.? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:25:35] shout from the rooftops. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:25:38] If people don't test it in testing, let's just push it to stable (after including the latest fixes). ;-) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:26:21] Kevin_Kofler: nod, let's give in at least this week, and if no show-stoppers, appear, mark for stable over the weekend, for next Monday's-ish push. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:26:23] imho: blogs, fedora-test-list, fedora-list, kde-redhat-lists [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:27:08] svahl: lists +1, definitely, I can do at least the kde-redhat ones, and blog (eventually). [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:29:27] Won't the update get temporarily unpushed when I edit it? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:29:51] So maybe we should wait until the fixed version shows up in testing before shouting over the rooftops? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:29:53] Kevin_Kofler: well, it *says* unpushed, but nothing actually happens until the next push really. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:30:14] that's how I understand it anyway. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:30:48] okie, let's move on... [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:31:06] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- KDE 4 packages "branding" (#434815, add -DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT="Fedora packages" to %{cmake_kde4} in /etc/rpm/macros.kde4)". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:31:14] topic 5: KDE 4 packages "branding" (#434815, add -DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT="Fedora packages" to %{cmake_kde4} in /etc/rpm/macros.kde4) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:31:21] an excellent idea that. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:31:40] Though, I'm curious, is this a kdelibs-only thing, or something for *all* packages? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:31:41] We should implement that ASAP, before the mass 4.0.2 builds. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:32:10] I'll search for the cmake macro now [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:32:11] Hmmm, I don't know what actually uses KDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:32:23] if no one knows for sure, I'll look into it. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:32:38] or ltinkl can volunteer too. :) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:32:54] rdieter: I'll take care of it [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:32:55] either way, I think we can all agree we should do whatever is required to make that happen. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:33:09] yup :) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:33:32] if it's a kdelibs-only thing, then modification of the cmake macro isn't required, just modification of kdelibs, but either way, I'm for it. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:33:52] I see it in kdelibs only (toplevel CMakeLists.txt) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:34:04] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- Administrator Mode Not Working In KDE Control Center, http://bugzilla.redhat.com/434624". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:34:09] OK, then let's add it to kdelibs only. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:34:18] yup, a small kdelibs patch will do imo [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:34:28] topic 5: Administrator Mode Not Working In KDE Control Center, http://bugzilla.redhat.com/434624 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:35:18] oops, I had a stale agenda load there, oh well, either way, this is a wierd one, only affecting some people. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:35:29] ltinkl: you said you were able to reproduce this at least, yes? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:37:47] anyone else see this behavior (or not)? (I'm not) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:38:42] SELinux maybe? [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:39:30] maybe, but I don't think so, I've tried in both enabled and permissive modes, works either way, no selinux alerts. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:40:20] oh well, let's keep an eye on that, we've got a few other bugs to highlight... [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:40:26] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 --". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:40:40] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- CUPS printer configuration broken on x86_64 (#230979, #416101) - fixed in 3.5.9-2". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:40:54] ltinkl just fixed bug #230979 and bug #416101 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:40:56] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230979 medium, medium, ---, Lukas Tinkl, CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE, Writes ServerBin into cupsd.conf!! [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:40:56] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=416101 low, low, ---, Lukas Tinkl, CLOSED DUPLICATE, unable to print after configuring printing in KDE [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:41:36] and bug #433511 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:41:37] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=433511 low, low, ---, Lukas Tinkl, CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE, vnc server through krfb and accessing by http broken [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:42:12] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- #374011: SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/kdm (xdm_t) "execute" to (bootloader_exec_t)". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:42:34] one with recent activitiy is bug #374011 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:42:35] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=374011 medium, low, ---, Daniel Walsh, ASSIGNED , SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/kdm (xdm_t) "execute" to (bootloader_exec_t). [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:42:52] around kdmrc's BootLoader=Grub option. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:43:18] afaict in my testing, this feature works as-is, albeit (sometimes?) with the aforementioned selinux alert. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:44:03] Let's let Dan Walsh sort that out with you, rdieter. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:44:11] it's a neat feature, and I was about to propose making it a default in kde-settings, but dwalsh had some security concerns, so I was waiting on his endorsement or veto of the idea. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:44:22] Kevin_Kofler: nod [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:45:01] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- #429966: startkde becomes Zombie Child of gdm-binary on logout". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:45:16] lastly, my recent favorite, bug #429966 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:45:18] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429966 high, low, ---, Ngo Than, ASSIGNED , startkde becomes Zombie Child of gdm-binary on logout [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:45:41] Sigh, we still have no idea what causes this. :-( [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:45:49] it would appear, again afaict, that gdm + kde(3) is the issue here. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:46:19] I'm going to give using gdm a good whirl today, and see if I can reproduce this. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:47:14] I don't really understand what GDM is doing differently from KDM there (running startkde). [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:47:15] this one's going to be fun/hard to debug, if we confirm that it's indeed the gdm+kde mixture, my magic-8 ball predicts lots of figure-pointing. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:47:29] finger-pointing even. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:48:14] I blogged about it too, hopefully, to gain some more input, insight on the matter. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:48:31] http://rdieter.livejournal.com/5262.html :) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:49:33] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- open discussion". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:49:39] What about bug 434824? We haven't discussed that one and it's on the agenda. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:49:40] Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=434824 medium, medium, ---, Kevin Kofler, NEW , KDE4 System Settings - No Method To Enter Administrative Mode [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:49:47] oops. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:04] Administrative mode even more broken in KDE 4 than in KDE 3... [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:21] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-02-26 -- #434824: KDE4 System Settings - No Method To Enter Administrative Mode". [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:25] It isn't even getting offered. :-( [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:28] I just (somehow) alerted upstream about this problem, let's see what comes out [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:40] ltinkl: thanks. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:56] this is know upstream: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151669 [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:59] Bug 151669: medium, medium, ---, Lon Hohberger, CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE, rgmanager doesn't handle arbitrary resources [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:50:59] +n [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:51:02] yeah, that's a bit of a regression alright. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:51:17] (ignore buggbot on this one, it's a KDE bug) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:52:40] in any case, Jonathan Riddell is the systemsettings author (sometimes hanging around in #fedora-kde), he should know more [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:53:46] but I don't think it's a regression, it has never worked (or rather never been implemented :o) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:56:10] ok, just updated the cross-references, [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:56:20] the code is there, but commented out: //User2 => Admin (dead in KDE 4) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:56:30] interesting :) [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:56:47] I can look into it, if I can bring this back to life [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:56:59] ltinkl: That would be great. [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:57:16] no idea how much "dead" the code is [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:57:26] I'm glad this sort of wacky patching isn [Di Feb 26 2008] [17:57:35] 't all my work anymore. ;-) [Di Feb 26 2008] [18:00:52] ok, forlks we're about out of time for today, let's wrap things up. [Di Feb 26 2008] [18:01:00] KDE SIG meeting end.