[Di Okt 23 2007] [18:58:44] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - Init". [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:58:45] 17:00 UTC. Time to start the KDE meeting. [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:58:57] ok, who's present today? [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:58:59] Many things to discuss today. [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:59:10] * drago01 is here [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:59:23] Me too. [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:59:28] and review agenda, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 , and suggest additions [Di Okt 23 2007] [18:59:43] little bit late but here [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:00:08] than: ping ? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:00:43] ok, well, let's get started, lot's todo. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:01:03] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - PulseAudio". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:01:04] yeah. sry about that :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:01:10] topic 1, PulseAudio [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:01:29] see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RexDieter/PulseAudioKDE , https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-October/msg01442.html [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:02:08] I'd say we should really set this up by default. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:02:13] I guess the question is, do we pull the trigger, use PulseAudio by default in kde spin/desktop? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:02:18] We don't have much time left until the F8 release. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:02:41] what would be the disadvantages of not using it by default? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:02:42] My initial testnig is pretty good, not near 100% solid tho. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:03:29] Different sound setup in GNOME and KDE, meaning that if things get tuned for PulseAudio (and some of that has already happened for F8), they'll misbehave in KDE. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:03:36] disad: if pulse is running (say in gnome), and care not taken, kde audio apps fail. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:03:53] That too. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:03:56] It goes both ways. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:08] then we should use it (eg. for amarok in gnome) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:27] Amarok is "special" in that it doesn't actually use aRts. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:33] It uses xine-lib. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:41] Which comes with its own sets of backends. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:49] mhh. ok. bad example then [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:51] The native pulseaudio one is still in xine-lib-extras. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:04:58] several issues, kdemm/akode sinks (done, pulseaudio handled), amarok (xine-lib-extras which includes pulse output sink, not installed by default) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:05:01] But I guess the ALSA one should do the right thing too. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:05:22] shrug, yeah [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:05:35] Still, IMHO xine-lib should default to the native pulseaudio sink. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:05:47] But that's not really our call to make. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:06:09] ok, so making this work is just a matter of adding *at least*: alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and maybe xine-lib-extras, and autostarting pulseaudio daemon [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:06:31] Yes. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:06:48] I'd propose autostart via /etc/kde/env/pulseaudio.sh [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:07:17] Actually, what's needed is (alsa-plugins-pulseaudio OR (xine-lib-extras AND making sure pulseaudio gets picked by default)) AND autostarting pulseaudio daemon. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:07:23] desktop/pulseaudio folks didn't seem too interested in distro/desktop-wide solutions (only gnome-specific ones) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:07:27] that would break sound support in kde applications outside a full session of kde (eg. openbox, fluxbox) when pulseaudio isn't running [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:07:47] That's not our problem. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:07:49] svahl: yep, sucks. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:08:27] maybe only add these pulseaudio bits to kde-spin, leave out of kde-desktop comps group? (but that would leave folks not using our spin, or upgraders in the cold) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:08:51] It also means hacking config files in the live CD kickstart file. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:08:56] And I don't think that's a good idea really. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:09:08] The setup really belongs to kde-settings. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:09:18] and I also know some people installing kde though the dvd [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:09:41] Yes, and then there's upgrades too, as rdieter says. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:09:47] looks like we're all mostly on the same page then, anyone opposed to making pulse active/used by default (in kde-desktop comps)? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:09:59] so I would prefer using /etc/kde/env/ and mention the breakness of apps used outside kde [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:10:06] ...in the release notes [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:10:59] Will that really be a KDE-specific issue? Any app set up to use PA will be more or less screwed up if PA isn't running. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:11:22] That's also partly why we want to be running it in the first place. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:11:25] mhh. maybe true. I have only tested this with kde apps [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:11:31] ok, I'll figure out where to put this stuff (probably kde-settings)... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:11:36] let's move on... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:11:41] KDE apps will run fine in GNOME or any other session which is properly starting PA. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:11:53] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - Infinity Splash Screen". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:12:25] a couple of fedora-art folks offered to work on this, but I've yet to see any results. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:13:01] if I still haven't seen anything after a bit after the meeting, when I get to work on kde-settings, I'll revert to a kde generic splash for now. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:13:18] any other comments here? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:13:21] I'd say splash_inactive_bar.png needs a color adjustment, splash_active_bar needs a mask on what's different from splash-active-bar, then pasting that onto the color-adjusted splash_inactive_bar. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:13:30] And then it should be shippable. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:13:55] Kevin_Kofler: right, that part was pretty much beyond my meager art skills. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:14:11] I must say I lack the GIMP or Krita experience there too. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:14:17] me too [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:14:35] move on then? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:14:54] so: sticking to default splash if no splash occurs today [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:14:56] I can try doing something tonight, but I'm not sure I'll get something great done that way. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:15:23] Kevin_Kofler: only if you have nothing better to do. :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:15:25] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - beryl/compiz-kde". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:16:10] rdieter, Kevin_Kofler: did you get my mail about this? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:16:10] OK, next big can of worms. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:16:11] status is beryl is dead.package'd, but compiz doesn't include any Obsoletes, afaik. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:16:32] compiz obsoletes beryl in cvs (since half an hour ago) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:16:35] drago01: ping [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:16:54] That really needs to go into F8. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:17:01] rdieter: I added it and built packages [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:17:02] It'll badly break upgrades otherwise. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:17:09] Kevin_Kofler: it will [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:17:16] (go into F8) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:17:37] drago01: ok, I'll anxously await the f8-final tagging requests. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:18:01] rdieter: ok will send it later today [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:18:28] outstanding issue: starting compiz under kde. I don't see this getting done in time. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:18:38] Right, that's the main problem. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:19:05] We have a quick hack script (which I wrote and svahl modified a bit), but getting this into F8? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:19:05] it works quite fine here with Kevin's script and compiz-manager (which isn't in fedora yet) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:19:30] Oh, and compiz-manager's not in either, fun. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:19:37] Kevin_Kofler: we still have time to get this into f8 [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:19:50] so, let's help get compiz-manager reviewed, is it even submitted for review yet? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:19:50] it needs to be packaged and reviewd [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:20:15] Packaged, reviewed, built, tagged f8-final, that's a lot of steps. :-( [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:20:18] ok, we'll help when/if we can, but looks like post f8 material. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:20:23] btw: my actual versions: http://deadbabylon.de/files/rpms/compiz-manager/ [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:21:22] Hmmm, drago01, maybe sneak this in one of the existing compiz SRPMs in the F8 branch and get that tagged f8-final? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:21:28] any other comments (before moving to knetworkmanager)? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:22:01] Or I will submit this for a review and we see how far we come? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:22:11] Kevin_Kofler: compiz-manager should be its own package .. but kde-desktop effects should be in compiz-kde [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:22:29] * rdieter is uncomfortable with "sneaking" anything, bypassing pkg review. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:23:07] Right, that was probably not a good idea. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:23:11] :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:23:29] I think svahl submitting compiz-manager for review is the right way to proceed. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:23:38] intentions are good, but... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:23:41] ok just create packages and require compiz-kde [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:24:03] ok. I will leave out the kde desktop-effects bits for now [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:24:09] But I don't think it'll get into F8, rel-eng is going to hate you all if you try rushing the new package into f8-final. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:24:24] :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:24:36] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - knetworkmanager". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:24:58] moving on... knetworkmanager, skeleton pkg using nm-applet. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:25:15] I took a look, I think it still needs some work, but it's a good start. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:25:53] imo, shouldn't be touching /etc/skel/.kde/env,shutdown , but use /etc/kde/env,shutdown instead. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:25:53] I've included this into the live images and removed the workaround in the kickstart (it seems to be the same) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:26:08] Kevin_Kofler: I already talked about it yesterday with re [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:26:12] l-eng [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:26:22] and I am still alive ;) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:27:05] otherwise, fwiw, the newer NetworkManager works like a charm for me. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:27:33] the gnome-keyring integration doesn't seem to work for me (it always asks for the keyring passphrase) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:27:44] correction: *sometimes*. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:29:02] dgilmore: you around? You ok with my moving the /etc/skel/.kde/* bits to /etc/kde/ instead ? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:29:04] I have no wlan so i cannot test this [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:29:35] difference being /etc/skel/.kde would only affect new users, not existing/upgraded ones. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:29:45] rdieter: whats up [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:29:48] That's broken indeed. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:30:07] I agree, /etc/kde is the right place. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:30:14] rdieter: that can be done [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:30:34] dgilmore: you wanna do it? (Or I can later today) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:30:53] rdieter: i can but if you have time and i havent feel free to do it [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:31:04] dgilmore: actually, I've got a couple of other small mods in mind, so I'll do it, if that's ok with you. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:31:16] thats fine [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:31:24] what do you have in mind? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:32:08] give the scripts more meaningful names, add [ -x /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon ] checks, that kinda thing [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:33:05] any other comments? move on? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:33:46] Let's move on. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:33:49] +1 [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:33:58] I'm going to push in the smaller topics here, to save room to juicy stuff at the end... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:34:16] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - adjust color scheme https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=295631". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:35:06] seems like a "duh, of course" one to me. :) comments? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:35:20] Yes, go ahead with your (rdieter's) plan. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:35:36] if the colour is ok for you, then +1 [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:35:39] svahl: thanks for the suggested color scheme. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:35:41] If more colors can use adjustments, we can do that once the files are in place. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:36:09] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - use fedora bookmarks https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344711". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:36:10] Kevin_Kofler: I've only changed one colour (or say copied) from plastik.kcsrc [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:36:40] took a look at this, looks like konq can't use the existing bookmarks as-is (unless set as homepage). [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:37:14] konq converts, uses it's own xml format for bookmarks, but I can see if we can get the xml-ized version included in fedora-bookmarks too. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:37:21] There is or at least used to be some code to import Netscape bookmarks. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:37:29] then maybe using a snapshot of fedora-bookmarks right before a release would be the easiest? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:37:33] I don't remember what part of KDE did that though. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:37:46] I only know I have some bookmarks imported from ancient RHL times. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:38:07] ok, plan/proposal: snapshot/import for now, longer term: integrate to use fedora-bookmarks directly (somehow) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:38:08] rdieter: mail sent (tagging request) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:38:25] +1 [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:38:34] Good plan. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:38:49] Converting is probably best done by hand. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:39:27] alrighty. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:39:47] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - KDE 3.94.0 for F7, F8". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:02] Kevin_Kofler: ? you've been working on this stuff... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:15] I've built everything for devel. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:20] yay [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:28] Well, the dev platform. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:38] Not workspace and stuff, we don't even have that packaged yet. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:43] of course. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:40:45] Now how do I proceed for F7 and F8? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:41:01] build it there too? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:41:36] For F8, is it too late for f8-final? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:42:03] At least Bodhi now takes F8 updates. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:42:24] So I could prepare the stuff and just fill it in in Bodhi for both F7 and F8. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:42:26] Kevin_Kofler: probably, you could try though. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:42:37] probably too late for f8-final that is... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:42:53] I'd say just take is safe, target for updates. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:43:20] Yes, that probably causes the least chaos, and this stuff isn't in any spin yet anyway, is it? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:43:33] afaik, no. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:43:36] fwiw, I've got kdeedu4, kdegames4 (3.93 versions) built locally. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:43:59] So updates or final doesn't really matter anyway, so I'll just prepare it for updates. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:44:28] Expect some dist-fc7-override and dist-f8-override tag requests coming in soon. ;-) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:45:12] after that lands, maybe I'll land kdeedu/kdegames (v4) into rawhide/devel, we can then import build kdegames3 stuff (like we had planned on way back when) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:45:59] You can import these into devel right now in principle, devel already has 3.94. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:46:22] We should figure out why Dolphin doesn't work when started from the KDE 3 menu (at least for me) though. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:46:26] ok, will do (when I'm less busy with other stuff). [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:46:28] Because that probably also affects the KDE 4 games. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:46:50] anything else kde4-wise? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:46:59] The strange thing is, from a Konsole terminal, it just works. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:48:05] ok, moving on... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:48:12] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - Top-5-List of the "most-needed-next-topics" to work on (for new SIG members...)". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:48:31] svahl? can you lead this topic? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:48:53] sure [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:48:53] well. I added this topic to give new contributors an advice where we need the most help [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:49:26] what do yu think about that? A list for now could be 1. Pulseaudio 2. Release critical bugs (?) 3. compiz-kde 4. KDE4 [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:49:32] Packaging help for remaining KDE 4 modules maybe? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:50:03] Isn't 1. mostly solved already? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:50:09] Or do you mean testing? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:50:15] right. this was my list before the meeting :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:50:27] sure, also testing [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:51:24] I think such a list would be a good idea. But I'm maybe wrong (and it is not worth/it would be too much work to create such a list/and so on) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:51:47] The problem is, the list is likely to change very often. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:51:56] So it's susceptible to getting out of date really quickly. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:52:12] wiki's are good for that kind of thing... :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:52:13] sure. it should be upated every meeting imho [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:52:36] or: at least every meeting [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:53:03] The problem is, the times where we could use the most help are also the ones where we have plenty of other stuff to discuss in the meetings already. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:53:26] So updating the list will take away time from the other discussions. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:53:45] sure. that would be the main problem in this case [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:53:47] seems to me, if we want the help, we just need to 'make time' for it, ie, necessary evil [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:54:12] a good kind of evil. :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:54:20] :-) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:54:25] Good point. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:54:43] Ok. I will prepare a wiki page for the next meeting then [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:55:29] please do, thanks. the kde-sig pages are looking so much nicer from your efforts. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:55:41] thanks [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:55:57] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "- KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-10-23 - open discussion". [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:56:05] FYI: I've written to all the "participants" in our SIG list. No one answered yet [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:56:36] And I've delayed the "ask for help" mail to get these answers [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:56:46] Well, I already gave my "2 cents" in the last meeting. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:57:19] not entirely surprising, it *is* a busy time for fedora right now. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:57:26] I think I will wait another week and then cull down the list. In the meantime I'll write the "ask for help mail" to the mailinglists [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:57:35] +1 [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:58:16] anything else for today? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:58:38] do we have release critical bugs for KDE? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:58:55] svahl: none that I'm aware of... [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:58:56] or maybe (what's the other term?) release "problematic" bugs? [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:59:10] F8Blocker bugs is the official term. :-) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:59:33] mhh. I _think_ I mean F8Target (or so) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:59:33] Other than the knetworkmanager chaos which is mostly resolved now, I don't know of any. [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:59:46] someone did email me (directly) mentioning kdm/ConsoleKit/selinux probs, but my request for details got no results (so far) [Di Okt 23 2007] [19:59:51] svahl: I'm probably best moved to being a Intretsed Perty [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:15] dgilmore: o [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:16] k [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:19] anyone else testing/using f8t3 or rawhide or whatever? [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:30] There were also ConsoleKit/SELinux problems with no KDM involved according to some ML posts. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:41] (either with GDM or on the console) [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:43] rdieter: i updated to rawhide last week [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:45] Kevin_Kofler: that may be it then. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:51] So I'm not sure KDM is really to blame there. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:00:59] seems good so far [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:01:02] But then again it might be completely separate issues in all the cases. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:01:05] ok, any kde/rawhide issues, yell/bz loudly. :) [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:01:08] I was asked privatley that the kmenu has duplicated entries. But I haven't had the time to look into it [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:01:18] kmail is bugging me in the way its handling selecting text/urls [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:01:40] Some menu dupes are known, bugs already filed against the packages with the offending .desktop files. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:01:48] Maybe there's more though. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:01] If you notice any, search BZ to see if it has already been reported, if not file it. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:03] yeah, we discussed that one before... [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:23] It almost always the .desktop file's fault. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:23] btw: the kde splash mockups are coming: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-October/msg00171.html [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:31] it was extraneous Categories in .desktop files. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:36] but this one is missing the active/inactive bar [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:02:42] arg. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:03:01] It's just a mockup of the one image, not of the full theme. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:03:08] So it's not of much use by itself. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:03:54] oh well, we'll use it when it's complete/ready. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:04:29] ugh, coming down with a migraine, bad day for that... [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:05:27] ok, thanks all, end of meeting. [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:05:36] Topic rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule". [Di Okt 23 2007] [20:06:44] rdieter: that dolphin issue is due to some flag thats on the Exec line in the .desktop file