[Di Jul 3 2007] [17:59:54] <XulChris> what time are the kde meetings again? im not usually awake
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:00:03] <Kevin_Kofler> Right now. :-)
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:00:06] <Kevin_Kofler> 16:00 UTC
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:00:08] <XulChris> ah cool :)
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:01:40] <XulChris> than: you know i noticed too that firefox seems to have the same problem with those fonts
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:02:40] <XulChris> atleast with some of them
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:04:09] <than> XulChris: you mean "Some UTF-8 chars not showing up in konsole"?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:04:14] <XulChris> ya
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:04:48] <XulChris> if i view that bug with firefox w/o vlgotich or fonts-japanese some of those fonts will not show up, but i can copy&paste them to an xterm and they show up fine
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:04:57] <XulChris> er vlgothic
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:05:04] <than> is there a bugzilla entry for firefox?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:05:10] <XulChris> not yet, but i can make one
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:05:58] <XulChris> or atleast not that i know of
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:06:23] <than> XulChris: i tried to view bz#236803 with firefox, it works for me!
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:06:23] <XulChris> id be surprised if i was the only one to notice this bug
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:06:35] <Kevin_Kofler> Speaking of fonts, what's also strange is that starting from F7, Pango renders fonts at a different size as Qt does, even with the same DPI number set. 94 dpi for Pango is about the same as 96 dpi for Qt. But I believe Qt's size is the same as in FC6, so Pango would be where to put the blame on. Still, I'm not sure it's a bug at all.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:06:51] <Kevin_Kofler> Hopefully this will be better in the future with HarfBuzz.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:07:06] <XulChris> whats harfbuzz?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:08:12] <armelk> Bonsoir a tous
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:08:24] <Kevin_Kofler> XulChris: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/TextLayout2007
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:08:43] <armelk> sorry, I'm not on french room
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:08:57] <XulChris> than: they all show up in FF even when you uninstall the japanese fonts?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:09:39] <XulChris> whoa
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:09:44] <than> XulChris: yes, it did
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:09:53] <XulChris> i had a power outage this morning, and it seems the reboot fixed it for firefox
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:10:31] <XulChris> ™ seems to be working in konsole now with F-7
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:10:46] <XulChris> 〈 and 〉 are still broken
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:10:58] <XulChris> they will work with xterm and gnome-terminal though
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:11:37] <than> XulChris: it's a font rendering bug in qt
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:12:50] <Kevin_Kofler> All 3 seem broken in Konsole here, the "TM" character gives a small black square, the others give the usual white square with black border often used for unknown characters.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:13:00] <XulChris> Kevin_Kofler: F7?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:13:21] <XulChris> I just notice TM has been working for me recently
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:13:23] <Kevin_Kofler> Yes, F7 with the KDE 3.5.7 packages from updates.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:13:25] <XulChris> not sure when it started working
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:15:38] <XulChris> so where is rex? no meeting today?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:16:01] <svahl> Rex is at Akademy
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:16:06] <XulChris> ah
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:17:52] <Kevin_Kofler> He was on the chan a few minutes ago.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:19:39] <svahl> ok. what topics would be discuss? kde4? (other) bugs? 
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:19:46] <svahl> phone call?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:21:27] <than> svahl: i'm still working on kde3/qt3 compat. it's not ready
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:21:55] <Kevin_Kofler> Have you seen Rex's latest specfiles for KDE 4?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:22:22] <Kevin_Kofler> They're now fully conditionalized into the F8 version with prefix=/usr and the F6/F7 developer preview version with the separate prefix.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:22:36] <than> Kevin_Kofler: not yet,
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:22:44] <than> i will take a look later
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:23:10] <Kevin_Kofler> http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/SOURCES/
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:23:33] <than> Kevin_Kofler: Rex already sent me the URL ;-)
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:23:57] <Kevin_Kofler> Any idea what's up with this file conflict? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-July/msg00367.html
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:25:49] <Kevin_Kofler> Oh, and what about my Quarticurve widget theme you said 2 weeks ago you were going to review? :-)
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:26:19] <XulChris> Kevin_Kofler: looks like a .i386/.x86_64 conflict
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:26:35] <Kevin_Kofler> But the packages involved are 2 different ones.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:26:42] <than> Kevin_Kofler: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=216847
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:26:49] <XulChris> ah
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:26:52] <XulChris> one is extras
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:27:08] <Kevin_Kofler> than: Access denied. :-(
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:27:17] <than> Kevin_Kofler: it's affected in KDE-3.5.7 too
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:27:30] <than> Kevin_Kofler: Steps to Reproduce:1. log into KDE2. run sealert -b, or pupplet3. see systray4. wait for / create an event as described above Actual results:Blank space(s) in systray, no icon(s), no right-clicking possibleExpected results:Clickable icons displayed, as they are in Gnome - BTW, they are displayed thereby default, no need to start those /etc/xdg/autostart items manually.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:28:01] <than> it would be nice if you can take o look at this
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:28:37] <than> puplet applet does not show up in systray
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:29:37] <Kevin_Kofler> Uhm, if this is a GNOME applet, that's expected. :-( There's 3 types of applets: KDE applets, GNOME applets and systray icons.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:29:45] <Kevin_Kofler> Only KDE applets and systray icons work in KDE.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:29:53] <Kevin_Kofler> And only GNOME applets and systray icons work in GNOME.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:30:01] <Kevin_Kofler> At least that's how it was last I checked.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:30:06] <Kevin_Kofler> But I don't think this changed.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:31:34] <than> as i know GNOME applets and systray icons should work in KDE
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:32:27] <than> it seems the function (tray.hide) used puplet does not work in KDE
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:34:53] <Kevin_Kofler> Oh, that could be it.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:34:59] <than> the workaround for this is to set trayicon.set_visible to true.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:35:08] <Kevin_Kofler> But I'm not sure I'll have the time to debug this. :-(
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:35:09] <svahl> gaim and transmission are also working in kde's systray
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:35:23] <Kevin_Kofler> They're all systray icons. Apparently Puplet is too.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:35:39] <Kevin_Kofler> It's just that it tries to autohide the systray icon which causes the problem.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:35:49] <than> Kevin_Kofler: exactly
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:39:57] <Kevin_Kofler> than: Are you still interested in reviewing Quarticurve? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244478
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:41:15] <than> Kevin_Kofler: ATM i'm busy with RHEL update and kde3/qt3 compat, but i will take a look at this soon
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:45:29] <Kevin_Kofler> What we'll also have to look at for the KDE 4 packages is sifting through the current Fedora KDE patches, throwing out all those which are obsolete in KDE 4, and porting the others.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:45:51] <Kevin_Kofler> Possibly even getting some of the others upstream for KDE 4.0 or 4.1.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:46:38] <Kevin_Kofler> The ConsoleKit patch will definitely be needed for KDM 4 to be useful.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:47:02] <nirik> Kevin_Kofler: sorry for the delay on the redland review. I have been swamped. Should get to it today and hopefully get that approved for you guys for kde4. ;)
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:47:47] <than> Kevin_Kofler: yes, it should be merged in kde4 upstream
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:48:13] <Kevin_Kofler> It needs to get ported first, it probably doesn't apply as is.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:48:29] <Kevin_Kofler> Though maybe it does, I'm not sure how much the KDM backend has changed if at all.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:48:39] <Kevin_Kofler> There's no Qt/KDE code in the backend.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:49:06] <than> Kevin_Kofler: can you port it to KDE4?
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:49:25] <Kevin_Kofler> Yes, I'll do it ASAP.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:49:38] <than> Kevin_Kofler: great, thanks
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:50:26] <Kevin_Kofler> nirik: We'll also have to package Soprano (the Qt binding) before we can enable the Nepomuk stuff in kdelibs 4, but that's something we KDE folks can do, we just need the library in first. :-)
[Di Jul 3 2007] [18:51:02] <nirik> yeah, understood.
[Di Jul 3 2007] [19:01:19] <Kevin_Kofler> I'm declaring the KDE meeting closed, as 1. the time's up and 2. there's nothing more to discuss anyway. :-) Time for the Fedora Packaging Committee meeting.