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| glezos | It's the FLP meeting, live from selected locations around the world! | |
| ankit | hi glezos | |
| glezos | Good day, afternoon and evening, wherever you are. :) | |
| glezos | <rollcall> | |
| * marek Marek Mahut (sk) | ||
| runa_b | Runa Bhattacharjee (bn_IN) | |
| ankit | Ankit (gu) | |
| fabian_a | Fabian Affolter (de) | |
| Bouska1 | Pablo Martin-Gomez (fr) | |
| glezos | Dimitris Glezos (el) | |
| Rasther | DiegoZacarao (pt_BR) | |
| noriko | Noriko Mizumoto (ja) | |
| glezos | right on. | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Update on previous' meeting action items | ||
| glezos | Last meeting's minutes: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2008-July/msg00080.html | |
| glezos | (thanks Noriko) | |
| noriko | :) | |
| glezos | Who'd like to volunteer to prepare this meeting's minutes? | |
| fabian_a | i will do it | |
| glezos | I'll mark all action items in the log. :) | |
| glezos | fabian_a: great, thanks. | |
| glezos | So, on the past action items/summary | |
| glezos | Freeze and Deadlines: | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Update on previous' meeting action items -- Freezes | ||
| glezos | The FLSCo discussed about changing the Translation Deadline to one week earlier, to give enough time to packagers to repackage their translations | |
| glezos | The vote passed, and I've sent an email to RelEng. Waiting for their answer. | |
| glezos | f13: ping, if around: Should we go on with the Schedule updating, now that RelEng hasn't raised any concerns? | |
| glezos | Schedule: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule -- We'll move it from 21/10 to 14/10. Still enough time for plenty translations. | |
| glezos | I'd like to thank everyone on FLSCo for quickly giving their feedback, and helping getting this issue close to resolving. | |
| glezos | This is exactly why we have created the group, to have an official stamp of approval for these kinds of decisions | |
| glezos | noriko was the main player here who pinged me and sees the issue to completion. Thanks. | |
| glezos | TODO: Get a reply from RelEng, update Schedule, mail -trans-list and -devel-list (glezos, noriko) | |
| glezos | comments? | |
| ankit | thx guys for sorting out the issue! | |
| runa_b | glezos: should we go ahead with 14th as the target or wait until rel-eng reverts? | |
| runa_b | i mean is there any chance of change in the schedule.. based upon rel-eng's feedback | |
| glezos | runa_b: The translation deadline is FLSCo's call (it doesn't affect the releng procedure), and I think it's safe to assume that we'll move it in the following days. | |
| runa_b | glezos: right. as long as the packages are rebuilt once again post 14th.. things look all set | |
| noriko | actually it would be good for packagers too, allowing more time to include translation. | |
| glezos | right. | |
| noriko | I am happy to see this happened, thank you all! | |
| glezos | One of the things we'd like to have is someone write a Python script that queries Koji and notifies for any core packages that haven't been rebuild. | |
| glezos | Volunteer Python hackers are welcome to play with it ($me discretely pointing to fabian_a) | |
| noriko | glezos: sounds good idea, but could you please explain me what exactly happen or the benefit of it? | |
| Rasther | this would be great | |
| runa_b | glezos: good one.. this would be cool | |
| glezos | noriko: We need to make sure the packages which are shipped, Fedora is upstream for, and FLP translate are re-packaged between the T Deadline and the Development Freeze. A script could take care of that. | |
| glezos | TODO: Ask on -trans-list and -infrastructure-list for people to hack a script for checking re-packaging. | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Update on previous' meeting action items -- FUDCon Brno | ||
| noriko | glezos: yp! that is what we need!! | |
| glezos | glezos, Rasther and Cmpahar were there. Quite some Transifex hacking, lots of input from folks. | |
| glezos | Event reports at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrno2008#Event_Reports | |
| f13 | glezos: please do | |
| glezos | f13: thank you | |
| zebob | thx ! | |
| glezos | I had a few discussions with Fedora and RH developers who receive translations through Transifex. They seem very satisfied with the fact that they spend much less time with translations now. | |
| glezos | Some feedback I got suggested to increase the documentation and communication with them for what we need. More emails to -devel-list and -devel-announce | |
| glezos | TODO: Send an email to releng reminding them to have a section for L10n in their mails to -devel-announce. Specifically, in the one announcing that in X days the development freeze will happen. | |
| glezos | The Transifex speech went pretty well. It seems that a lot of folks, downstream and upstream, Fedora developers and independent ones, are looking forward to a common installation on a central location (eg. transifex.net/com) for an upstream translation community to be formed there. | |
| marek | glezos: I had, unfortunately, bad reports about transifex server stability from community :( | |
| marek | they don't want to use it and prefers to send me the po files directly by mail :( | |
| glezos | marek: yes, the maintenance of our L10n infrastructure has issues. I'm doing my best with my experience (developer, not administrator) and time to manage it | |
| marek | I'll try to reserve a time to help with that | |
| glezos | we've repeatedly asked for folks interested in it to help out with the administration. The call is still open. | |
| marek | glezos: do we know what's the root cause of the slowness? | |
| marek | application or misconfiguration or anything else? | |
| glezos | Also, I think many people also have raised the opinion that having a RH person also accountable for these could greatly improve our productivity. | |
| marek | indeed, but you know... it's not a Red Hat product :) | |
| glezos | marek: Tx is OK, Damned Lies is slow. One reason is because the DB is in SQLite and gets quite big sometimes and needs cleanup. Also DL needs updating to newer versions (trunk) | |
| glezos | Transifex (/submit) is always responsive, AFAIK. Please correct me if I'm wrong. | |
| marek | yup that's true | |
| noriko | so the bottleneck is DL.... | |
| glezos | marek: Maybe you could install the flpweb module (/cvs/l10n), get it running, and report back. Then we could see if we could give you access to app1 & 2 where DL runs. | |
| marek | looks so, because the statistics pages takes about 25 seconds to load | |
| marek | others are fine | |
| glezos | noriko: yes. DL's upstream has decided not to develop much code, because they are merging their efforts in Transifex | |
| marek | which is good :) | |
| glezos | so maybe folks wanting to help make things better could work on improving Transifex's low-level bits (load-balance support for example). | |
| glezos | FWIW, I'm actively working on adding statistics support in Tx. The plan is described here: http://transifex.org/wiki/Development/Statistics | |
| glezos | So, the statistics for F10 were fixed (thanks Piotr for keeping the conf up2date) | |
| glezos | already late, let's get moving | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- F10 schedule: Freezes and deadlines | ||
| glezos | we've covered this already, cool | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- L10n tool updates (New modules, features, FUDCon Brno, [RHT/I18n ideas]) | ||
| glezos | New modules on Transifex since last meeting: Folks can scroll back in the -trans-list archive for announcments on this. We encourage developers to announce (and blog) when we add their module. | |
| glezos | Most notable recent addition is PulseAudio. | |
| glezos | (yeehaa!) | |
| runa_b | :) | |
| glezos | It's pretty exciting seeing upstream projects trusting the Fedora community as an entry point to their code. | |
| glezos | Good work guys. :) | |
| noriko | wow | |
| Rasther | cool | |
| glezos | RHT I18n office has sent an email to -infrastructure-list for some plans they have for building a new tool around translations. | |
| glezos | You can see the discussion here: http://markmail.org/message/vigf324ce2rbk6n6 | |
| glezos | I'll let asgeirf_ communicate with -trans-list of any possible benefits for the project from the tool. | |
| * poelcat just saw mention of schedule... and is behind on replying to email :( | ||
| glezos | poelcat: no worries. I'll update the Schedule and let you know of the new date. | |
| poelcat | glezos: oh, i was speaking to fixing up the taskjuggler schedule | |
| glezos | poelcat: OK. I can think of a small fix: The aggregated view shows translation dates from both software and documentation, but IIRC they have similar descriptions. We could add something like 'PO files due **for Docs**' to distinguish them | |
| glezos | TODO: send poelcat updated versions of the schedule, and specific requests for text changes in the schedule's items. | |
| glezos | TODO from before: let glezos know if there's anything I need to start hacking on our Infrastructure (marek) :-) | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Update on Fedora 10 Docs shipped in internally-supported languages | ||
| glezos | I've asked ankit and manuel (L10n team leads in RH) for input whether we could get relnotes into more languages from internal translators in RH | |
| glezos | By announcing Fedora in more languages we can increase our coverage, local media will pick up the news/write an article more easily etc. | |
| glezos | Having Fedora announced in something like 30+ languages would be fantastic. | |
| noriko | I will take a lead for languages on be half of Manuel, while ankit is taking a lead for indic languages. | |
| glezos | noriko: awesome. Let us know of the progress! | |
| Rasther | glezos: apparently the pt_BR team will take some contributions from there | |
| noriko | Rasther, glezos, yes. some of translators have started their contribution. | |
| glezos | Rasther: definitely. The Fedora language teams are of course made of both internal and external translators. Working together gets maximum benefits from both groups. | |
| noriko | there are some translators who are not familar with the community work, so pls let me know if I can support. | |
| glezos | TODO: Lead the effort in doubling the number of languages Fedora is announced in. Help people with anything they might need. (noriko, glezos) | |
| Rasther | glezos, noriko: Glaucia Cintra sent a email asking some doc modules to work on | |
| glezos | I suspect that seeing this effort into completion is going to be a big success, both for Fedora and Red Hat. | |
| noriko | Rasther: noted, I will contact her today to help, thanks! | |
| glezos | The most important bit here is probably to help internal folks with what they might need to work with the existing Fedora teams. | |
| glezos | Let's make sure this synergy will happen, and it will be done in the most efficient way. | |
| glezos | noriko: let me know if you need anything. | |
| Rasther | noriko: ok, thanks | |
| glezos | Opening up floor for general discussion. | |
| * glezos has changed the topic to: /topic Fedora Localization Group meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Open floor / AOB (any other business) | ||
| * runa_b has one | ||
| glezos | runa_b: fire aqway | |
| glezos | away. | |
| * runa_b is taking over the the Translation beat for the FWN from marek from this week. | ||
| noriko | thank you so much runa_b !! | |
| glezos | oh yes. runa_b, that'd be great. | |
| runa_b | maybe i'll put togehter a L10n news page linked from the L10n page..so that everyone can put in there news bits too | |
| glezos | runa_b, do you have any ideas on how we could collaboratively chip in for that effort? | |
| glezos | oh, just answered it. :) | |
| runa_b | so that they can make sure somethign important is not missed :) | |
| runa_b | would a weekly reminder for news help? | |
| runa_b | on the mailing list... | |
| glezos | runa_b: So I guess your plan is collecting news bits (bullets) during the week.. and anyone wanting to add a suggestion for inclusion, could do it by putting a bullet there? | |
| runa_b | yup | |
| glezos | excellent. | |
| runa_b | especially maybe any changes to the l10n infrastructure | |
| glezos | runa_b: will do. The weekly reminder could help IMO. Especially if it had reminders for some often-used categories of news we could add (eg. New modules on Tx, Updates from local teams, etc) | |
| glezos | any other topic folks would like to discuss? | |
| runa_b | glezos: cool.. thats a nice thing | |
| Bouska1 | yes, i have just a question | |
| glezos | Bouska1: we're all ears. :) | |
| Bouska1 | just to know approximatly when Tx will be able to send mails when a new translation is there, because we, french team, we are quite depending on this because we use a ML for translating | |
| glezos | Bouska1: Good Q. This is a Tx related issue, so I think opening a ticket on transifex.org could get someone to code this. | |
| glezos | Then, it's up to Fedora Infra to update our Tx installation with the new release containing this feature. | |
| Bouska1 | ok, i put this on my todo list | |
| Bouska1 | an other question about Tx ... | |
| glezos | Bouska1: To give you an estimation, I think 2 months is a good estimation. | |
| glezos | Bouska1: FWIW, we have a channel that a lot of transifex hackers hang around -- #transifex | |
| glezos | If it's not a question for the Fedora L10n Steering Committee, I think questions have a higher chance of getting a good response/feedback there. | |
| glezos | But please, feel free to ask anything you need. | |
| Bouska1 | glezos: ok, i will go there when i have time | |
| glezos | Bouska1: ok, thanks. | |
| glezos | so, it's getting late. | |
| glezos | If there's nothing else, closing in 30 | |
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