Meeting:Docs IRC log 20080430
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| jmbuser> <meeting> | ||
| jmbuser | I will chair the meeting in quaid's absence | |
| jmbuser | Roll Call | |
| jmbuser | JohnBabich | |
| Sparks | EricChristensen | |
| jmbuser | Anyone else? | |
| *tw2113 has his desktop screenshot up on the site | ||
| jmbuser | Agenda is at | |
| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings | ||
| *jmbuser thinks this will be a short meeting | ||
| *Sparks agrees | ||
| jmbuser | First agenda item: Installation Guide -- all hands on deck | |
| jmbuser | Anything to report? | |
| *glezos is here as well, sort of. | ||
| glezos | anything around translations, just yell. | |
| stickster | "All hands on deck" means we need everyone with some free | |
| time to work on it | ||
| stickster | The doc is in CVS, and I've done some work on it lately, | |
| but not as much as I'd like to. | ||
| stickster | Unfortunately, my free time for Docs is not what it used to be. | |
| stickster | There are two documents that, if you ask me, are | |
| immediately EPIC FAIL if they're not ready for release. | ||
| Sparks | Do we have a link to this doc? | |
| stickster | 1. Release Notes | |
| stickster | 2. Installation Guide | |
| stickster | Sparks: it's in CVS. | |
| *Sparks is a little shady on the CVS stuff still. | ||
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| stickster | We really should have everyone get knowledgeable about CVS. | |
| stickster | It's quite easy to learn | |
| *Sparks agrees. | ||
| stickster | mdious was up and working on it after just a couple of | |
| hours of hanging out here. | ||
| Sparks | I was inspired by quaid's message. | |
| stickster | Working with any sort of team pretty much requires some | |
| sort of source code management system | ||
| stickster | There are two that are worthwhile to learn in Fedora, | |
| IYAM: CVS and git. | ||
| stickster | CVS is the "old fogey," still in use all over the place | |
| stickster | git is the "new hotness," and is infinitely more powerful | |
| but also a little harder to understand. | ||
| stickster | What needs to happen is: | |
| stickster | 1. People need to find either a virtual guest machine or a | |
| real box, and have it in a setup where they can run the installation | ||
| program | ||
| stickster | 2. Compare the installation to the IG's contents | |
| stickster | 3. Revise the IG to match reality. | |
| stickster | (including documenting new features where found, removing | |
| things that are gone, and fixing that which is erroneous) | ||
| jmbuser | stickster: What time frame are we talking - 1 week, 2 weeks? | |
| stickster | The release of F9 is May 13 | |
| stickster | We need to have at least the en_US version ready by then | |
| stickster | We've already got a real problem on our hands because we | |
| have no way to get translations ready by then | ||
| jmbuser | Release notes are not ready? | |
| stickster | *chirp chirp* | |
| stickster | jmbuser: Installation Guide. | |
| stickster | The release notes are in great shape. | |
| *couf joins in | ||
| *jmbuser relaxes slightly | ||
| stickster | jmbuser: Don't relax yet, a crummy IG is also an EPIC FAIL, AFAIC. | |
| Sparks | stickster: Someone on the mktg list noted a Release Note file | |
| that had not been touched since Nov 07 which said something about F9. | ||
| stickster | Sparks: That's a wiki page, not a release note. | |
| stickster | It's a stub on the wiki intended to be used for (yet | |
| another) summary | ||
| Sparks | stickster: Okay, just wanted to make sure. | |
| stickster | OK, I'm done with what I have. | |
| stickster | I would really like it if people would help with this very | |
| important doc, since our previous help deserted us. | ||
| stickster | btw, the Release Notes, as I mentioned, are in GREAT shape. | |
| stickster | We have 11 fully finished translations and probably a few | |
| more by the date of release. | ||
| stickster | We will need to get them published, which I'm hoping couf | |
| will help with | ||
| stickster | We can publish the day before and then just 'cvs tag -F | |
| LIVE' right before the official releas. | ||
| stickster | *release. | |
| couf | yep, I'll be available to do some publishing | |
| stickster | couf: ROCK ON | |
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| jmbuser | I will try my best to get the latest F9 image and follow the | |
| steps outlined above for the IG | ||
| stickster | jmbuser: Either Rawhide or the Preview release should suffice | |
| stickster | There shouldn't be any anaconda feature changes after | |
| that, just bug fixes | ||
| stickster | Is anyone else going to step up to help? | |
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| jmbuser | stickster: Thanks, I'll go for the Preview release | |
| stickster | You can see where I've done work already by looking at the | |
| fedora-docs-commits archives: | ||
| stickster | http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-commits | |
| stickster | But that's not a blocker | |
| stickster | Fix wherever you see prolems | |
| stickster | *problems | |
| stickster | (and try to type better than I do) :-D | |
| couf | heh :) | |
| *jmbuser has no room to criticize anybody's typing skills | ||
| stickster | jmbuser: What's next on the agenda? | |
| jmbuser | Agenda Item 2: UG -- needs final touches and "wordsmithing" F9 / F8 | |
| *stickster pokes Mr. Vice Chair ;-) | ||
| jmbuser | See note about typing skills above :-) | |
| jmbuser | F9 is the obvious priority, but only after IG is done | |
| couf | this is actually some wiki editing, it's in User_Guide/ on the wiki | |
| jmbuser | couf: good - that should help | |
| couf | the F9 version that is | |
| jmbuser | I'll give that another review | |
| couf | imo, and this is from a very fast read, it's really small stuff | |
| that needs to be done | ||
| couf | we should get this ready for XML conversion asap | |
| jmbuser | Better 95% ready than 0% published | |
| jmbuser | The perfect is the enemy of the good | |
| jmbuser | Agenda Item 3: SMG Needs feedback on conversion from CVS to | |
| DocBook, as well as some "wordsmithing" | ||
| Sparks | I thought the SMG has been "approved" | |
| couf | hmm yeah, I was under that impression as well | |
| Sparks | jsmith was doing the conversions a few months ago | |
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| jmbuser | According to last week's minutes... | |
| couf | yep, I checked his work in CVS last week, and it was all good | |
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| jmbuser | No more to do on PackageKit? | |
| *glezos is now known as glezos_afk | ||
| Sparks | I asked two people to work on that. I don't know if any work | |
| has been done on it. | ||
| jmbuser | Can we go with what we have now? | |
| Sparks | Is PackageKit the default GUI update interface in F9? | |
| Sparks | The SMG is ready minus PackageKit | |
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| read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.") | ||
| couf | Sparks: +1 | |
| *jmbuser is checking on PackageKit | ||
| Sparks | We need to document PackageKit but I wouldn't hold up the SMG | |
| because of it. | ||
| jmbuser | feature quote: "Note that PackageKit is not quite ready to | |
| replace pup and pirut, but its design does address some issues with | ||
| Fedora's current package manager, and the active upstream development | ||
| is also a hopeful sign." | ||
| jmbuser | Sounds like it's still optional, but the up-and-coming thing | |
| stickster | Sparks: Yes, PK is the default. | |
| stickster | And since I'm running Rawhide, I disagree that it's not | |
| quite ready :-) | ||
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| *stickster encourages all Fedora contributors to hop into using | ||
| Rawhide at least by the time of Preview Release | ||
| stickster | Help kill bugs dead! | |
| jmbuser | I guess the feature wiki page needs updating | |
| *Sparks is having problems with anaconda and thus isn't usign F9 yet | ||
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| jmbuser | Moving on... | |
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| jmbuser | Agenda Item 4: Security Guide -- F9 draft coming (rero) | |
| jmbuser | Should we be concerned with this before F9 release? | |
| stickster | Sparks: You can probably do this just by turning on | |
| development repos and doing a 'yum upgrade'. Common gotchas apply. | ||
| Sparks | Did I hear my name? | |
| Sparks | stickster: Hmmm... | |
| Sparks | jmbuser: The portion of the Security Guide that needed to get | |
| out is out. | ||
| Sparks | However, it looks... rough... just sitting there by itself. | |
| I have made available chapters 1-3 for review. | ||
| Sparks | We (a couple of security gurus and myself) went over them | |
| today and cleaned them up. | ||
| Sparks | Just waiting for the blessing to move them to the non-Draft | |
| side of the wiki. | ||
| Sparks | At which time I'm going to try to get them into DocBook format. | |
| couf | Sparks: location? | |
| Sparks | couf: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide | |
| stickster | By the way everyone, with respect to working on the IG: | |
| stickster | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2008-April/msg00023.html | |
| Sparks | When you look at the TOC on that page... 4.1 is what is released. | |
| stickster | CVS will be down from 1400-1900 UTC on Saturday. | |
| couf | ah, could we move it out of the Drafts section into something | |
| like /Security_Guide/F9 | ||
| jmbuser | Stickster: Thanks for the heads up | |
| Sparks | couf: That is actually where the final pages go. | |
| couf | which would make it not a real draft, but as it's on the wiki, | |
| it should be thought of as a draft | ||
| Sparks | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9 is the "final" location | |
| couf | correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't everything wiki-wise | |
| assumed to be draft? | ||
| Sparks | As soon as I get some of the other chapters ready then I'm | |
| going to dress it up more. | ||
| couf | and we choose DocBook as final | |
| Sparks | couf: I think so, however since development started in the | |
| wiki and there were a lot of changes being made I was doing a DRAFT | ||
| and a Final Draft type of separation. | ||
| couf | ah, sure :) | |
| *couf got all confused there | ||
| *Sparks is always confused | ||
| jmbuser | How about considering the "final draft" staging for the | |
| DocBook final version? | ||
| Sparks | I plan on starting the DocBook process soon. | |
| Sparks | jmbuser: yes | |
| jmbuser | Any other comments on the SMG? | |
| jmbuser | err, the Security Guide? | |
| *jmbuser is confused too | ||
| jmbuser | Any other business (AOB)? | |
| couf | well I just raised my hand in the websites meeting to be POC for Docs | |
| jmbuser | Excellent choice | |
| jmbuser | If nothing else, let's whip the F9 IG and other vital docs | |
| into shape in time for the F9 final release | ||
| jmbuser | Shall we close the meeting? | |
| couf | +1 | |
| Sparks | +1 | |
| jmbuser | 5 | |
| jmbuser | 4 | |
| jmbuser | 3 | |
| jmbuser | 2 | |
| jmbuser | Thanks guys | |
| jmbuser | 1 | |
| jmbuser | </meeting> | |
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