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<h1>#fedora-docs.log_2007-05-06</h1>
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<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">:-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Relnotes translation status is documented on wiki at <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hah :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Making great progress in smaller modules.  Release notes module, less so.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">There are several locales for relnotes done, though -- notably es, pt, pt_BR and sr if memory serves</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think el and zh_CN are either done or almost done too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">should we drop an email to the in-danger languages?  is that easily done?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't have membership on the per-lang lists, but I can certainly send an email to f-trans-l with a summary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><dreaming>1 e-mailadress to all lang-lists</dreaming></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster shakes couf awake</td><td><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Here are some key people for languages: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf thanks stickster </td><td><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos will send an email to -trans-de (german) 'cause they seem a bit inactive</td><td><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos: You may be able to just forward my email -- going to f-trans-l in a minute or two</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well ... anything else to do there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">when do we have to drop the package to RelEng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Around the 10th AIUI</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I will certainly coordinate with Jesse since I'll see him in DS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*SD</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It's possible there could be a day or two of slide time given the Summit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: please remember to remind the (new) deadline for translations in your mail</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yup, doing so -- sent it before, sending it again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, off</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">IG status: doing some heavy refactoring today, hope to have the whole thing ready in ~48 hours</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- aalamS [n=aalam@59.94.178.183]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] </td><td><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quick side question ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">are we Ok with the idea of merging all project tasks into DP/Tasks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's "different" from other projects; we adoped the TaskSchedule from e.g. FESCo, and I sort of hate it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster gives +1, we need to simplify... and I hate it too :-)</td><td><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid works on that in the background, so he can get a list of "Guides for F7" on Tasks</td><td><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1 here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1 here aswell</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">simplifying is good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BTW, thanks to the folks cleaning up our project page.  Much easier to read and navigate now!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">JonRob deserves a round of applause</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1, thanks JonRob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jmbuser: you'll make me blush</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">glad you'll like it tho :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid does a golf clap</td><td><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: tell us about CompleteReference</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">this is a great example on how a new member could do something really useful for a project</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fresh perspective + enthusiasm == life blood :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">the DP/Tasks page would be a good addition to the join page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">help other newbies get involved</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is exacly the reason, to get all the real tasks in one place, organizes by difficulty, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">cool :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">indeed, keep it simple and people will want to jump in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">a list with simple, hands-on tasks each one having a mentor is a great way to encourage new members to get their hands dirty and have fun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right ... instead of jamming all on that page, if a sub-project (e.g. release notes) needs lots of tasks, then we can just reference a sub-page (DP/Tasks/ReleaseNotes)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: take away from the fear of random wiki edits!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">(probably just me on that one :D)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jmbuser: random wiki-editing is fun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser talks to himself</td><td><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: you seem to like doing that :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: only lately :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid wonders what happened to the Wiki patch that kept the table from floating under the darn right nav</td><td><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">well then an FYI: I'm working on to small FDP-howto's (wiki-2-xml and publishing to docs.fp.org)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although on the later ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">latter</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that exists, doesn't it?  </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, but more refining it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">don't kill yourself on it, since we are sunsetting that method</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid didn't want to say "killing"</td><td><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i've got some .conf-file around, making it just copy-paste -> restarting apache</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: There is part of the publishing to docs.fp.org in the /cvs/fedora branch README</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: You may be able to leapfrog using that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: thanks, didn't see that file</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">under config/HOWTO*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">well it's just mentioning a sort of differnet approach (alternative method), for people already running a site</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">okay, should we move on?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">=1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1, sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we've had the IG, so that makes: admin guide and/or FUG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so for the other guides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't see us having them ready w/ translations by F7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ready, yes; l10n, no</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is not optimal, but its ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: I have to agree with the FUG not being ready for translation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so the list of target guides is:  Installation, Administration, (New) Users ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Yum ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(Software Management)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">guess not, we shouldn't go too far with this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">having 4 guides ready will be nice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, we can look at producing more between releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I see two general classes of guides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one is essential to have with a new release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">those help you install, use, and administrate the system</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the other kind are more bonus, and go into different areas people care about</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">some of those other kind may end up getting pulled later into e.g. Administrationg guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">those are the "how to run your own repo" and etc. types</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">has the docs project ever considered trying to establish a set of less formal guides, to compliment the formal ones?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how do you mean less-formal?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wiki-based or?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: good question, there's loads of info spread around fedora forums etc that are useful (and that don't have legal/patent issues)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but they're so scattered</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">might be nice to have something that makes those easier to find</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">not same quality</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but useful none the less</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, all the fedoraunity sites are under the OPL, so that is one souce</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mether, stickster, tsAWAY, vpv, jmbuser, couf</td><td><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">whoops</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hold on until the net desplits</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Netsplit over, joins: jmbuser</td><td><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- mether [i=ask@fedora/mether]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Netsplit over, joins: stickster, couf, vpv, tsAWAY</td><td><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">what was that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: What happened?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wacky</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">netsplit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we waited for you :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">only thing I said was ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">roger that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: netsplit is when the servers we are chatting on drop their connection; we are all connected to a random IRC server that is all part of an IRC network, and sometimes a server splits off, then comes back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(e.g. those guys were all on pratchett.freenode.net)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: thanks :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ideally we'll be able to fix the defragmentation of our docs and get them all in a "bigger picture" thing.. although low-level they will be modular.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">with the publication from the wiki we might be able to get this "right".</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's going to be quite a productive summer with the two GSoC projects solving long standing problems :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">will be great :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">is there anywhere with details on these longstanding problems?!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">let's hope so!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oops, I meant that as a response to quaid</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">JonRob: May I humbly recommend <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas</a> ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser shamelessly plugs his doc</td><td><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jmbuser: thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Plone#head-bd3aef95681e959064f783eba789c6288d8f8b7b">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Plone#head-bd3aef95681e959064f783eba789c6288d8f8b7b</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's a good summary of one of the problems/solutions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: agreed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sounds like it will be useful once plone arrives!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid sits down with some breakfast</td><td><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one of those days where the effort to make coffee is too much</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, what else ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster buried in PXE server provisioning</td><td><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">whee!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, I'm going to get the Tasks page updated ....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I'll get the list-o-Guides up there as tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else of the "other business" sort?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">don't think so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid does the final thirty second count down </td><td><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nope, nada here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thanks for attending all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">cheers all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... and thanks to our families and friends who put up with us giggling at IRC jokes in the middle of a Sunday :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks at stickster for the final joke</td><td><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
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