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<h1>IRCLog-FDSCo-#fedora-docs-2007-07-17.log</h1>
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<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then we can discuss that :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">JohnBabich</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">KarstenWade</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone else around? couf? glezos? Bob?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">many, quiet around here ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">KC0WYC: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: so, what did you think?  are you familiar with content workflows like that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Yes, I am</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I like most of it - I prefer to reserve staging for things waiting to be put into production</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I prefer calling it something else</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Similar to developing code in large shops</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: test / staging / production for coding</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: draft / CVS storage / published for docs... something like that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Is that just semantics?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: kind of </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Then, treat it accordingly :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: it might be Plone usage, in which case it is easier to accept than to reeducate at every turn</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at least, I got from daMaestro that it was plone language, but I could be wrong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I can live with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is glad that someone else who understands content workflows is doing a sanity check</td><td><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">our point is to make it possible for 10x the people to be publishers, so it should all be easier in the end</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think stickster_work made his points on list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- rlingk [n=devnull@pat1.orbitz.net]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid finishes looking at the diagrams again</td><td><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we can push for a ratification on list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: What gives me hope is that someone who is a translator is working on it, so he gets it and takes it into account</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Not to diminish the contribution of us monolinguists</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey, if this was any other part of Fedora, they'd probably forget l10n</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, email sent on that subject requesting final questions and/or ratification</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, on to the next item ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/16/weekly-report-week-28/">http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/16/weekly-report-week-28/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just to get vpv's report into the record :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'm here. As you can see, there are some problems, but they should be manageable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: no worries, you seem to have it handled;</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: are you getting the kind of responses you need on f-devel-l?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm wondering if some tips about e.g. XMLRPC might be useful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right now I really don't need thay much more than coding ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, that is a good call</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">worry about performance later :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">vpv: Do you have a way to parse "info" now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">probably the only way to solve the XMLRPC slowness would be profiling, since the calls are correct and they work...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: the only way I've come up with is to download upstream sources from CVS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or optionally from SRPM repos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">since I haven't found or there might not even be an info -> DocBook XML converter</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid doubts there is</td><td><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">would probably make TeX fans roll over in their chairs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- rlingk [n=devnull@pat1.orbitz.net]  has left #fedora-docs ["Leaving"] </td><td><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: anything you can think that will make it _easier_ on you, let me know, I might be able to help :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving on ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">election planning ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just making sure we don't get behind there, I think we're ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that and guide talk ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: with your limited availability, how can we have your time be able to help the other writers contribute/finish the DUG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid ponders this for himself _all_the_time_</td><td><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Were my tasks useful or should I break them down further?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: good question, let me look at them that way ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: ok, seems reasonable for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: maybe some more chatter on the list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">people often have a "sudden few hours", are reading their lists, and if there is a fresh request, they are more likely to dive into it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, if the "tasks are updated, have at it" sits for a few weeks ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe people wonder if it is still happening? etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I can post to the list and update my blog more often</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: like I said, trying to think of, "If John only has 10 minutes for Fedora Docs today/this week/etc., what is a way he can have a bigger impact than e.g. editing a paragraph."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Things are finally getting under control at work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is going more out of control :)</td><td><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I would have to say that defining tasks and promoting greater participation...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: just a 'leadership thinking' idea I'm passing along, that's all; I often find myself doing something small and silly just to be doing something, and I try to remember to think of an overarching way I can make a difference.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: would be a good use of my time right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for example, if I didn't read that post but instead wrote up our minutes ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: sounds great; let's find a way to make that chatter on the list, too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that's all of that for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else from anyone else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, closing the meeting in 30 seconds ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
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