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<h1>IRCLog-FDSCo-2007-08-21.log</h1>
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<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Irssi: #fedora-docs: Total of 29 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] </td><td><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nman64, stickster, StillBob, couf, glezos, EvilBob, vpv -- good $time_of_day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">same to ya quaid</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser, hmmm, that's who isn't on that list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but he was on Wiki earlier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, we can get started as-is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: how are ya?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob is in a phone meeting</td><td><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, let's run down the agenda so we can get to the fun stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">bit sick, but overall doing well, got bit tied up in life last months, trying to catch up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one-sheet release notes ... f13, we're planning on following the same style we made up last time, which is the one-sheet of notes on the Wiki for test1 and test2, have test3 be the first 'beta release notes', then lock them for trans for gold</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#relnotes-schedule">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#relnotes-schedule</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: ok, so you'll have something new in fedora-release-notes for test2?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: not on that schedule; nothing new in the package until test3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: also, I want to talk about the file layout in release-notes.  For the HTML/ content can we do HTML/release-notes/<lang>/  and HTML/readme-burning-isos/<lang>/ ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd like stickster input on that question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">he's so distracted at work he forgot to add _work to his nick :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">This way I can just grab the release-nots and readme-burning-isos directories and plop them on the iso and have translated content there, and copy the English verisons to the top dir as well.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: maybe we can do the new file layout with blank content for test2?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then you can test all the deploy toolage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: I'd appreciate it, gives us the time to get it right in Anaconda.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">makes sense</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: same deadline on those package changes as the rest of the packages then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Schedule?action=show&redirect=Schedule">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Schedule?action=show&redirect=Schedule</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">umm, so, that would be ... 28 Aug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, schedule updated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: thanks, I think that's it; I'll make sure Paul sees the minutes and you guys can discuss the changes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13, are we going forward with the renaming of the ISO files?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so one the one-sheet ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">actually, f13 is there anyone in RelEng or Testing with a good overview to own content for the one-sheet?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe ask wwoods?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: poelcat might have good content regarding features</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: well, that's for the final relnotes, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we should have some blurbs for test2 as well, since features need to be in a testable state, and we want them tested.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: the one-sheet can have a pointer to that content on the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it's not easy to grok from the wiki what needs testing and how</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: but it will need latest, updated info about the test release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">shouldn't be hard to come up with some stuff in a week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid forgets the Wiki namespace we used last time</td><td><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we also want a pointer to that from wherever people look for relnotes on the ISO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test1/ReleaseNotes">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test1/ReleaseNotes</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so ... in the package?  on the Firefox homepage?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: thx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I asked wwoods to drop by about <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test2/ReleaseNotes">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test2/ReleaseNotes</a> (next version)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think Fedora Docs has done it's part there, unless we need to update <code>fedora-release-notes</code> package with pointers to that page?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">what was in the package for T1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">dunno</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but one thing that happened on F7t1 was people looked in the ISO and wondered where the content was, so we need pointers from there, i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid tosses a quarter in the 'buy jmbuser a better country to get broadband from' fund jar</td><td><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right, so say we add a small .txt in the top-dir which point to f8t2/relnotes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or do we want to update the default browser page?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hmm yeah, that's part of the package :-/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how about this ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's push that decision to Paul to review when updating the package paths and such with jesse</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">aye, maybe best</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to get started on the Beats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and that may dovetail into the overall "activating contributors" discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but at the least, a reminder to beat writers to fire up their keyboards ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">FWN has been great at this; the weekly beat updating is coo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, really cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's all i have on that topic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just hoping to broaden help there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">get Testing and RelEng and f-maintainers to actually contribute</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, next is the IG ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, sending reminders is always a good idea I guess</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here's what I'm thinking on that, and I need to take this on list but here's the warning alvo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/alvo/salvo/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think the only things we can commit to for 8 are relnotes + IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid sees black text there, that was weird</td><td><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think the only things we can commit to for F8 are relnotes + IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, had a Ctrl+F in there :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, does the DUG need updating for F8?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">dude</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it needs updating for _F7_</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is no skin on the people involved</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is across the whole project</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have mainly failed to be able to maintain full guides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, what I meant was that it's kind of a non-release-specific doc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, agreed on that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my hope is that opening the Wiki to more contributors will help with the small one-off, how-to, and maybe we'll be able to draw from that somehow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: well, yes, but there are always changes that need to be tweaked across release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf_</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">sorry, power failed here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but i think as a project, the only things we've proven ourselves consistently able to deliver are:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* release notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* installation guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* really freaking awesome tools</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and that is all a testament to the interests of the people involved</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I'm tempted to just work with that for this release </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, like i said, a good topic for the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just heads up to what I'm personally thinking/feeling</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, on to more interesting stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it appears we are near the end of "Summer" for the various coding projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf needs to run for a while, will keep watching though</td><td><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my major concern is helping everyone finish successful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*fully</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: what do you need from the mentor side?  what is the timing/schedule we are working with?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: I think I know what GSoC needs from me; how do you think things are going?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nman64: daMaestro isn't around, but let us know if you need anything from this group for the GSoC stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, my goals in terms of development were reached a while ago</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: I'm having some problems with DocBook, other than that, it seems to be alright. I have time at least until August 31, probably even a couple of days after that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: yeah, you make it easy for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, deployment might take some time to make sure security is OK</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos notes that GSoC says that students should be judged for their code as it was on August 20</td><td><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> nman64</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: daMaestro sent me what he had yesterday.  I'll be reviewing it ASAP.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, I'll do a fresh install of transifex to make sure the install instructions are ok and let you know to check the code out.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have a transifex user for Fedora?  or one for testing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid wants to setup locally and commit from here</td><td><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I can also use e.g. another SVN I own as a test spot; set it up to be an upstream for a translator</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that's cool then ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, no transifex user for Fedora.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, transifex initializes 4 local repos to play with</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok,cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving on ....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits a second or two first</td><td><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so on to election stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, the irony is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no one seems to have the time to work on making an election happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which means we are all derelict of duty and should resign as unable to fulfill our duties as leaders</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which means an election would be needed to fill the seats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">etc. ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd bring this up on list, but I'm getting a little tire of only talking with Paul and Rahul on there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/tire/tired/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">elections every 6 months are probably a bit overkill</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, do you think it might help it we asked people what do they think we are doing wrong as a project?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm ... well, yes, but ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">or, to rephrase, what we could do better? What prevents them from contributing and participating?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">will people only read it if that is the Subject:?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf returns</td><td><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because it looks to me like there has been such discussion on list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: could you drop a quick email with that question?  might as well ask it straight out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and maybe we are trying to do too much or with too many tools or something, I dunno</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, ok, was thinking of suggesting that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, and too few active contributors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have enough folks here right now to vote to postpone elections, I reckon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf, EvilBob - the question on the table is, should we postpone the elections until the next yearly cycle, figuring that 6 months is too often for FDP?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we discussed this initially and weren't sure then, either</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fwiw, we can still elect a new chair :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, +1 from me since I proposed it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I have just been swamped here again to ge the leg work done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Just when I think I will have 20 minutes to get it going anything comes up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd rather our energy on what matters for the release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that after all is the Prime Imperative</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, that was easy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">-1 on new chair</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I propose we take the discussion about activating contributors to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: I see the plan, keep me too busy to resign?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1 to the plan :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... and with that discussion moving, we can either AOB or close the meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">new chair should happen after the election that should have happened last week, with that getting pushed 6 more months I think the chair has to wait also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: however If you need to step down none of us will hold it against you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, I didn't propose it yet, but I get the point that time is passing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob motions to close the meeting</td><td><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2nd!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5 ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4 ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
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