Meeting:Docs IRC log 20071104

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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (04 November 2007)</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Roll call... hi-ya folks!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">BobJensen</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser had his mandatory disconnect</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">JohnBabich</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">We expect no less!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I may have to leave early, family errands...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">So there are 3 of us?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Looks like.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">OK, our agenda is a bit crooked, so let's just take care of any leftover release business for now, since I'm sure that's what's on everyone's minds</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">All right, current status of relnotes -- tonight I do a final POT sync, and notify f-trans-list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I was just syncing some of the content before the meeting, fortunately not many changes.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster acknowledges that jmtaylor wanted to receive training on this stuff, will handle after meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">nim-nim</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">BTW there is some documentation work listed on <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Todo">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Todo</a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* nim-nim hides</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">According to the "postat" target, we have at least 11 languages complete or nearly complete for release notes this time around, several other partially done</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">6 locales done for IG too</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">We are no longer setting _any_ bar for locales.  If they make a PO file, we'll include them in the release notes package.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">If people in that locale use Fedora and read the relnotes, they'll notice problems and either fix them or they won't.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Did anyone have any major objections to this?  I asked on list and really didn't receive anything other than "+1" votes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">vpv</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">as a translator, I'd say +1 as well</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I disagree with it, however I would let the majority go with it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Yeah, I think all the translators were in favor</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(all those that had something to say at least)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Naturally they are in favor</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Well, we should recognize their work, and an incomplete translation is actually a motivator for some teams</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">"Hey I can translate 2 paragraphs and get karma credit"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">As we go along some of these concepts get a little clearer to me. I used to be against completed work, now I'm doing a better job of recognizing the FOSS "release early, release often" philosophy</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">s/against completed/against half-completed/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: Did you want to talk about the DUG status?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">stickster: KDE-SIG put out a shout for some KDE docs - I seconded the motion</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">stickster: There's been some nice encouraging words to help out with the DUG, but no volunteers </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Have you reached out to any of the people who popped up on f-docs-l recently with offers?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">stickster: I tried...</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser is not a motivational speaker</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">You can lead the horse to water, but...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Wow, and that's just wiki work.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Well, if someone's not willing to help there, chances are it's not worth chasing them down any longer.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I will try and put in some work on the DUG after the release happens this time.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">But as we've already noted, individuals don't scale well.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I swear I'll work on the DUG - I really will</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jmbuser is serious, not kidding</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">haha</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I know you'll be putting some time in, no worries</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">There's been some good work on other guides, I've noticed</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Yeah, a lot of material going into admin guide</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">couf_afk++</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">OK, I really don't have much else, guys.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I've been really busy with non-Fedora stuff this week, but have been keeping up with the relnotes and IG stuff.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmtaylor: If you want, we can retire to #fedora-docs and do some cross-training</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">AOB?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">jmtaylor</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster: sounds good</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">OK, 5...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">4...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">3...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">2...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">1...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster has changed the topic to: Documentation -- Meeting Closed</td></tr>
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