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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (09 December 2007)</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">all righty, roll up your sleeves</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">meeting topics: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> go for it</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*couf has changed the topic to: Fedora Documentation -- guide status</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">How are we doing on the DUG and AG?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> jmbuser: Interest remains high in producing a quality DUG, as witnessed by the mailing list.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*jmbuser excuses himself for mumbling to himself</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*couf missed this weeks productivity, been working nuts</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> I am now the beat writers for docs, so read all about it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">cool jmbuser</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> couf: Not much else to report - hoping to do some revisions myself and encourage others to do the same</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> couf: I am encouraged by new volunteers with fresh energy and ideas</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> end of my DUG report</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">as I said, I've been out of the loop, so I've got to catch up with the AG</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster appreciates jmbuser making objectives clear on ML</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> stickster: Thanks</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">other guides we need to touch?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> Is Admin Guide ready for publication?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid comes by purely out of chance but chooses to hang out</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> quaidL Howdy!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: for my part, not yet, it's still a bit scaterred information, it needs some integration works</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">foundation is great, and I'm thankfull for all the work that's gone in too it, but it misses some coherence</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> couf: That suggests freezing the content and doing an editorial pass.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> I think there are people still asking on the list about subject matter areas to include</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> Those discussions should probably be explored and concluded before we freeze</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*EvilBob is glad to see quaid's name on the FUDCon list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: true that</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> couf: Next agenda item?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'm wondering if we want to put some deadlines on that work?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">as in, get it done before we dive into the release-specific stuff again</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> couf: +1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">current schedule, says 24 Jan is alpha-release notes deadline</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">couf: Now that you're back, you can probably crack some whips on the list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okidoki</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so next up:</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*couf has changed the topic to: Fedora Documentation -- elections</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-December/msg00011.html">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-December/msg00011.html</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I remember us all agreeing that this was doable, although, we might have a slight problem:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ambassadors election has been moved back a week, due to lack of nominees</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">it might happen that they don't have an election, but if they do, we're having it at the same time</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and the voting app can't cope with dual elections</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> well if ambassadors needs to reschedule they should now have to reschedule around us</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">ah, voting app limitations</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> I recall John adding FDSCo election to the official schedule</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">EvilBob: +1 true that\</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: correct, <a href="http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f9/f-9-all-details.html">http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f9/f-9-all-details.html</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well then, we missed our start, nominations should be open right now</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> It should not be our projects fault that not enough people care about ambassadors leadership, if we ave to wait until they have an election we might never get our turn.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: right</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> We have three seats up this time?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> stickster: correct</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">argh, sorry meant to send a note</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*jmbuser throws his hat in the rng</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> s /rng/ ring/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">about the nominations start</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*jmbuser is running on his typing skills :-)</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster moves we clear out the current nominations page and make way for new writeups</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah, mine, jmbuser's and pawel's seat are up for election</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster hopes you guys will be putting yourselves in for re-election</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> lets just get this rolling, announce the opening NOW, and stick to our other dates</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> it is not like the opening for nominations has been a secret</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> +1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> True dat, it was posted to the mailing list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> did it make Fedora News?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> oops, s/News/Weekly News/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> I put it in for this week</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> that I don't know but it can be in tomorrow's</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> complete with dates</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> EvilBob: It's in tomorrow's edition</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid sends note about nominations being open</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> I'm blogging it too.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">good</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep, I'll blog it too</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, the rest of the election process has been done already, so</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*couf has changed the topic to: Fedora Documentation -- AOB</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> +1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> FUDCon</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*couf can't come :-(</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> I see three of us on the list, are we doing anything Docs related to get some fresh blood?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> I see "Developer Guide Reboot -- Paul W. Frields"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> likewise :-(</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> Yup, this is a pet project of mine, but I want to find out at FUDCon what the developers think</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> I should probably blog something in advance too to gather input</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> I would really like to put together a Packaging guide, maybe FUDCon is the right place to look at that again.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> I want to canonize current documentation on Fedora code development.  This could be a difficult project depending on how much is projected to change over the next cycle with packaging + engineering.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">great idea stickster</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> I want to be careful to avoid trying to pack fast-moving targets into a Development Guide because it will simply create maintenance nightmares.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> Working on my SIG (<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/AmateurRadio">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/AmateurRadio</a>) I have found a lot of holes in the existing packaging stuff on the wiki</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> But there is a lot that could be written up to get people started on Fedora as a development platform, including software setup and tips.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> EvilBob: Have you brought it up with the Packaging committee?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> spot is pretty darned good about coverage in the packaging docs, the majority of which he's worked on or written</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> stickster: it is all about "experience" really</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> stickster: yeah spot has been a big help</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> I would really like us to do the "multi-location" hackfest for FUDCon if we have stuff to work on.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> +1</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*      stickster is into that idea.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1 too</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*couf needs to run for a bit</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888"> word</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> Any other business?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> nope</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> wrap it up</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e"> +1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144"> +1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> In 60</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 45</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 30</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 15</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 5</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 4</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 3</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 2</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> 1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> </meeting></td></tr>
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