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<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf </td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob  </td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jsmith is here</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">great! Quorum :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">sweet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project: F9 docs review</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Sparks is here somewhere</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">OK, couf can talk about the AG status</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">OK</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">even DUG actually :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Yes indeedy :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">both AG and DUG are targeting release at F9-beta which is beginning of March</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">had a small meeting this weekend with the core group, meeting log and summary posted to the group</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">basic needs are input from KDE-knowlegable people for DUG and some server-fu specialists to check down AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'd be happy to look through the AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">both are pretty much on target as it is, so it's shaping up to become good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf:  What recruiting are you and the other writers doing to get KDE people to examine the docs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">core group is committed to "get it done" so that's very good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster has found the only way to get developers focused is by pestering them politely, loudly and repeatedly</td><td><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we've tried to get the KDE-sig on board but they don't have manpower available</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so we're going to track some people on the fedora-list, and probably try and trick some upstream guys into checking our work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Some blogging might be good...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: I will see if I can pick anyone out of #fedora that might be willing to step up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster tries to think up some other ways to attract eyeballs</td><td><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">EvilBob: much appreciated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">messages to KDE docs team?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is finally here</td><td><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I know Fedora has a thriving KDE user community -- *some* of those folks have to be interested in having good KDE docs!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">blogging might be a good one too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">If we can't get KDE love, what's the drop back plan?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Is there one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Hi quaid!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster hands over gavel</td><td><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hola amigos y amigas</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">not really, the idea would be to use the KDE docs itself, but they have different licenses</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">which could be messy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">exactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">GFDL iirc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that would be the upstreadm suggestion, typically</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we have to pressure within the project</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and kindly ask without</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1 to fedora-list asking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is there one person doing this seeking for KDE help?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we've got some work on XFCE too, btw (jmbusser is handling that)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, marc wiriadisastra is doing that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">fallback == beta has GNOME only, work on KDE for beta2?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf hopes he got that name right :-)</td><td><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 85 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 84 normal] </td><td><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: it's right :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">strikeforce++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* nirik is happy to answer Xfce questions as well. </td><td><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: possible, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nirik: thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">the idea was to have both AG and DUG ready so we can tackle IG, relnotes etc after</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is there a schedule with milestones from here to beta?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">not set in stone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we need enough time to convert to XML</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">For AG/DUG, maybe not -- for relnotes, <a href="http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/">http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/</a> has milestones for things like relnotes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">with training for new folks, so make it a bit longer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, redundancy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: just an internal schedule so we are on time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">don't miss an obvious dependency, etc. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat can help us with that if we desire.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: do you want final wordsmith and technical edits in Wiki or after in XML?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">i.e., where is it easier and does the other writers the most good?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid thinks maybe wiki, from that ...</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster hopes he is not volunteering poelcat out-fo-turn</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I think as it is now, we can have the DUG and AG ready by half Feb in wiki terms, which gives us a lot off time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: would be best wiki-way, as to help for further versions, if me do them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">s/me/we</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: can you make a draft schedule?  just working backwards like that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">include X days (5?) for wiki edit, and similar for conversion to XML</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, we can get poelcat to add it to the overall docs schedule after that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and jmbuser can use the template for the DUG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf adds to TODO</td><td><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jlaska [n=jlaska@nat/redhat/x-9326078e383ea5fc]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, then we can get the schedule to correctly reflect when we do the IG and relnotes work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">just open a ticket at poelcat.hosted ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so just want to give a thumbs up to both marc and vladimir, they been doing terrific work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nice!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Who's the man!?!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: +1 to that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: amen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I've been trying not to overpraise and stuff, but they are certainly worthy of the Big Fedora Love</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf ends DUG-AG status</td><td><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, relnotes prep ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">1. time to start advertising the Docs/Beats for other contributos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">2. recruit more dedicated help?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we need someone with eyes like mether </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">s/one/ones/ ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">There have been a number of changes rolling in already</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">here's the question from me ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we've tried the regular beat maintainers, and it is hot-or-miss </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">most of the work comes from a small handful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">what is the right thing to do from here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><discuss></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">blog blog blog</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">s/hot/hit/ :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ah, nagmail++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">blognag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Isn't that a town in Ireland?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Does it taste like eggnog?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes and yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster apologizes to any residents of the Auld Sod listening in</td><td><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">different approach maybe: starting from the features list and working through that to get the people behind them doing some content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">isn't there a section in the feature page for relnotes content?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">d'oh, /me feels sheepish</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ouch, wiki getting pounded today apparently.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Yes, they each have a place for that content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Doesn't appear to be filled in for at least some of them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster hasn't counted but is not optimistic :-D</td><td><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: no, that is a good point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: and another reason to blog, creating more attention :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: is completion of release notes/marketing spew required for a feature to be complete?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">this is the release we SWORE we would get the overviews synced and from one canonical source ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ah that way it might be interesting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob swears all the time anyhow</td><td><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: not exactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Marketing SIG may still decide to write up a higher level overview, but we can coordinate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: fix that for F10</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Yes, we want to draw all OverView from one source</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">or at all :-/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] </td><td><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">the focus is really on "does the functionality work"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it..."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that's more of a focus of a package set :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">and when a feature is submitted prior to feature freeze a lot of times those things are TBD</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">a feature needs more than that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, needs to be completed by some point, not at the start</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sometimes rightfully and other times procrastination? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: would you agree to the concept of "release notes and some attempt at a lousy marketing blurb" as a feature completion requirement?  for the future, that is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: i'll let someone else propose to FESCo that features be dropped if the release notes aren't complete ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: it seems reasonable to me, though I have a hunch the developers/maintainers may not agree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: as Feature Wrangler, can you kindly ask folks when you interact with them to complete those parts by ... </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and we can see how that goes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: glad to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if there is universal adoption and no need for onerousness, why wrestle with FESCo on it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster will raise this with bpepple</td><td><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">and if there are particular ones you want me to nag, send me mail</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">At least we should alert him what we're doing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: my point, as I'm sure you know, is that Fedora is more than a bunch of packages that work together :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Absolutely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">all: please blog wihin the next 10 days about:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">* relnotes beats (Docs/Beats/)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">0r * features content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or * new beat writers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">anything else on this topic?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">what needs to be done for the one-page relnotes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits for stickster ...</td><td><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Is there any concern about us now being another RH bureaucratic layer strangling poor, hapless developers who are trying to GTD?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: hold that thought one sec ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: but we are Fedora!!! :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: for the features request?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And you can too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">here's the thing, IMNSHO about features</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if you want to call yourself a feature and get the attention</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it means more than just completing shit and making it work on time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: "I am Fedora and You Can Too"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: exactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it means you are willing to be called up to the stage in a conference to talk about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it means you are willing to be a community leader about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: That's the title of your next blog post, btw</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it means you are willing to do the marketing, sales, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: obsolete already I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid: +1, just FYI</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if not, then don't ask Fedora to "care" about your feature enough to devote so much time to it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that's my thinking :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We're just making sure that people watching this channel know *why* we're asking for this.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">If it's worth writing, it's worth documenting/marketing/plugging</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Exactly.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jsmith +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So, all you eavesdroppers -- make us care!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that's the idea :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> jmtaylor</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">should that be something that get added to the feature form? a note about expected commitment?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: thanks for the excuse to rant, though :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid: NP, I live to serve.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jmtaylor: good question; not sure if that is part of the feature process or expectation, but I think it should be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, now to couf's question ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the one-sheet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we need content for it, and we can draw that from the existing state of Docs/Beats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so we don't have to recruit for it, but we might want to.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">as a reminder of what the one-sheet is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">this is a single Wiki page that we can link from the alpha, beta ISOs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so we can change it up to the last minute, link updated bug reports from it, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it also is a quick-overview of what is in this alpha, beta that is noteworthy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">supposed to be lower-impact work to Docs compared to what we did before, which was a full run from Wiki => XML + translation for each test release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">*whew*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so, in many ways, the content "belongs" to release eng (f13), features (poelcat), etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Test/F8Test2/ReleaseNotes">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Test/F8Test2/ReleaseNotes</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid you steal my words</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but do continue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">couf: maybe I should stop talking :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: F8Test?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">That's the last one-sheet we did for the previous cycle</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">oh, right, sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is lost in version numbering</td><td><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Just for reference in case people haven't seen that one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">There's a lot of copy/paste material in there.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so we need Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: good reminder for me to ping the feature owners for a status update</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, so same counts here: get blogging, news-spreading and let the people behind it create the content :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Thank you poelcat: <a href="http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html">http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster notes the dates are a bit off because of the 1-week Alpha slide</td><td><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster: i'll fix that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: Thanks! :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Fortunately it hasn't rippled</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">that's what I get for lurking on this channel... more action items :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poor poelcat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob thinks that is how he became FDSCo</td><td><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Oh my, we're 40 minutes in and haven't covered a few other items</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yep, let's move on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid and I have to bail in time to make the next meeting :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, so IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So... IG. :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">two approaches:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">1. raw recruit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I can definitely *help*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">2. build on what is working so far</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">what I mean by 2 is, let's old and new hands make sure the AG and DUG hit their target, then that frees *all* of us up to split up the IG work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">in there we build the skills to do the relnotes work, as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">(which coinicidentally leads to the next agenda item :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that's the basic goal yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Hey, how'd *that* get there?!?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">stickster: can you advertise for a co-maintainer who will take over post F9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith is too modest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid: absosmurfly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and then set the expectation that you are there to mentor and the group is there to help?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: Who, me?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Yeah, you!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">That will be blog #2 tonight</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster already preparing blog #1 for relnotes</td><td><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: I am willing to take that on if you mentor me, I do as many or more installs in a release lifetime as anyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: plus I really need a document</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: talking about the IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">EvilBob++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I am here to help whoever wants to take it on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">It's not *quite* as bad as it seems, honestly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jsmith: has the yum-guide :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">sorry, had to pay the heater repair fella</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, last item</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">training</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we are doing a ton more wiki2xml this time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so we really need a process, how-to, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Agreed!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I'm happy to help write that, after I finish wrapping my head around it all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">let's cobble together our notes this week and have it as an action/task to have a beta usable how-to by next week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">May just need to be refreshed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Fair enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: Why didn't you show me that last week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jsmith ducks</td><td><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that page + how-to with steps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jsmith: Oops, I just remembered it because quaid triggered my supermnemonic memory with the title meme</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jsmith: leaky carpenter's roof?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ironically ... I named that page, too, and forgot about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid updates WorkFlow</td><td><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">This very topic is one that jsmith and I were working on the other night with the yum guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: The cobbler's kids have no shoes...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stickster: Speaking of which... I have a lot more things to go back through on the yum guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We do have another item we need to discuss, your successor, maybe next meeting or list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">EvilBob: yeah, we do, let's go for the list perhaps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we still need a meeting time where all can meet :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so anything left?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK </meeting> ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">last chance!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
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